If you aren't from here you have no right to talk about communism

Seriously, all these western kids glorifying communism is just pathetic

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Yugoslavia wasn't USSR's satellite

>communism
>stalinism

pick one

None of those countries were communist

>no true gommunast meymey

One moment, please:

Why right wingers can't make a song like this one?

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>implying it actually was

Marx is the most severely misunderstood character in western history, and it's sad

*lifts hat*

and all those stupid westerners going on and on about based russia while knowing nothing except memes

ignorance is terrifying

>yugoslavia
>satellite state

is that what they teach you?

kek confirms

>satellite state
>can speak about communism

It's not history yet. Not yet.

It'd be history when he'll be buried in dust of evolution,
when every of his idea will be dissected by those that would be capable.

Until then everyone has the right to have any kind of shitty opinion.

I guess you won't be satisfied seeing a westerner who likes Russia and does know shit about it either.

This

never seen one like that

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Desperate ((whites)) want something to cling on, don't they?
It's not important since slavs will never be relevant outside own sphere, despite who says what.

The thing is the only way in which his ideas will be buried in the "dust of evolution" is if, ironically, his predictions come to be.

Marxism is a warning to capitalism, and talks about what can possibly happen if it's symptoms aren't addressed. As long as you have capitalism it'll be relevant.

go to /sg/

There are a lot of things you had never seen yet.

>slavs will never be relevant outside own sphere
wot, arent you writing from ex 2nd strongest empire in the world?
like elves, unicorns and aware westerners liking russia, yes

I don't know why this place has gotten such a sudden surge of leftists recently, but I don't like it either.

Daily reminder that communism ruined central and eastern Europe.

COMMIES, THEY'RE WORSE THAN NAZIS!

>Karl "never had a job" Marx

If you had never seen, say, native Paraguayan people, does that mean they, same as unicorns, don't exist?

Knowing poles on Sup Forums and Sup Forums, you won't admit not having a personal experience with certain kind of things doesn't prove their non-existence, since we are discussing things related to Russia.

I can't really hate communism as an idea. It's the humans that are flawed, not the ideology.
Capitalism has kept the world progressing, but the cost is enormous - if anything and everything has a dollar sign attached to it, everything that you can't put an immediate price on becomes worthless.
Moral values will erode and populace is dumbed down because there's no profit in considering long-term goals and people are given what they want, even if it's ultimately bad for all of us.

I think we should still keep trying, even if all the attempts have failed so far - per aspera ad astra.

>have unorthodox ideas
>expect to get any props in society

ironically his discourse is the bread and butter of so many today though.

Absolutely agree.

Karl "i cant handle my parents money so we should get rid of money" Marx

>yugoslavia
>soviet satellite state
ayyyyy

*tips uschanka*

>I can't really hate communism as an idea. It's the humans that are flawed, not the ideology.

This is one really, really, really stupid and probably because of that popular statement.

>build assembly line for production of shoes
>it fails spectacularly every time
>it's not the assembly lines' fault guys it's the shoes

Yeah, it's cringy and annoying as fuck.
Russia has never been "based" since 1917.

I went to a town in slovakia and the roads and sidewalks all had bubbled parts from being made shit and you could see marks in the sidewalks where cars sit.

Also whenever it rained the whole town reeked like cat piss and yeast

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you're right, this is what we should have instead


>build assembly for the production of shoes
>get paid virtually nothing but produce shoes all day
>manager sends shoes away
>gets paid a fuckton more
>go back to your kids
>they are malnourished
>get another job
>lead a bleak existence
>watch on the news how well the economy is doing
>believe that if you make enough shoes money will trickle down and you will become wealthy
>believe the assumptions of neo-classical economics
>don't question your position
>clap every time a rich man gets a tax cut

That's not how evolution works. New systems will be tried out, all of which are different at its core, based on communism or trying to disprove it. Majority would fail af but this pushes the evolution forward. This is how life works.

Religious-like utopianism worked when exactly? Major point of "never been tried on global scale" is evolutional degradation – any good system must be able to withstand outside influence (inb4 ayys), and more than that – provide people with something of value. Religion is redeemable because it gives people idea of divine love; any form of communism makes people weaker and that's all that happens.

Since we all suck at culture, irrelevancy is for sure.

None of these countries were communist.

this.

That's because people misinterpret it as a religious-like utopianism, more than anything else. Fact of the matter is that there is no difference in that regard between stalinism and capitalism- both systems of government essentially try and convince you that you matter and that you're free, etc, which is completely antithetical to communism- a "dictatorship of the masses" is not what you had under any leader, save for maybe Lenin, a bit, at the beginning. It's when the plebs and proles put 2&2 together that you can begin to have that.

Evolution might mean that communism as a pre-defined set of laws, rules and modii operandi might not take place. But if people understand the power they collectively hold and channel the right avenues, they can ellicit change, for them. Corporatism, Democratic Socialism, all of that.

Religion is irredeemable because you purchase that love, you sanctimoniously step on people because you wear a collar around your neck professing love all whilst doing so, for the most part, with the most nefarious of intentions. It really is the opium of the masses, and I'm an institutionalist.

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system was shitty to okay at various periods and areas but this demonization is just too much lol
it wasn't the end of the world and it's not like average Joe here lived better 200 years ago
deal with the past

NOT REAL COMMUNISM, GUYS
IN EASTERN EUROPE THE WORKERS NEVER OWNED THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION

I do not see purpose of communism other than take away peoples rights and enslave them.

>trickle down is exclusive with capitalism
kek
Oh god here we go.

MUH GOMUHNISM GUYZ

HURRRRRRR

no other system just prays for rain

Capitalism doesnt just work one way like Communism does with it's command economy.

A trickle down or waiting for rain isn't how the lower classes expect to move up. Most people work very hard and do better.

You euros are lazy and dont want to work. You guys work like 7 hours a week and expect $6000 a month.

Plus you'll find out when you're older how awesome making more money is.

>how awesome making more money is.
must be the jewblood speaking,

>work very hard and do better
>implicit assumption of social mobility
>implicit assumption of self-interest being a means of optimal resource allocation
>has no understanding of why the market fails
>thinks having debt forced upon him is normal
>attributes it to hard work

Maybe one day you can go to university and learn about these things in any economics class that isn't blatantly neo-classical.

Oh wait I forgot you guys have it better than us because everyone can afford an education in the US, that's why you guys are all so smart

>have russian gf
>her grandmother who is 74 says everything was better in the ussr
really makes you think

>Oh wait I forgot you guys have it better than us because everyone can afford an education in the US, that's why you guys are all so smart

Listen, toothpaste, I get that your country doesn't suffer aftereffects from this shit ideology, but you should stop and be thankful your country didn't have to endure it. It's a shit system that didn't work out for a reason. People will ALWAYS value their property.

I'm really glad that the Americans can always find everything redeemable in being a corporate wagecuck with a substandard standard of living based on lies and deception. I'm glad that in America anyone who wants to start a business can always engage in perfect competition with CorpCo™ because things like competition policy are of the devil. I'm also really glad that things like a minimum wage are ridiculed by """"""free market""""""" economists when there is no such thing as a free market. It's great.

Not an argument.

>it's a shit system that didn't work out for a reason

that's because it was never implemented properly, as it was forced upon people. Once again, Marxism has been misunderstood like no other treatise on political economy, especially in Eastern Europe, by the people that implemented it.

Most Westerners haven't read any Marx or Lenin. They usually just like the Soviet aesthetic.
By the way, millions of former Eastern Bloc residents are nostalgic for the old days.

Anyone who thinks Bernie is communist is wrong.

>that's because it was never implemented properly, as it was forced upon people
And how is it supposed to work when nobody wants it? You're just proving my point. People will ALWAYS value their property.

True, under communism i had a small two-room appartment and hot water once per week. Under capitalism opened my own business and can allow myself many many more things.

>unironically believing this

That's not how the hierarchy works, my little communist faggot.

Good post

What do Albanians think of le bunker man?

>how is it supposed to work when nobody wants it
when economic crises become so frequent and big that living under those conditions becomes unsustainable- when you have so many crises of plenty that the final synapse goes off.

>not how the hierarchy works

Oh is it not? Pray tell, how does it work?

we had a civil war where everyone had fun slaughtering the red filth

my father died at 94 and my grandmother at 93, if i'm not wrong grandfather and "fought" for both sides in WW2.I said "fought" because romanians did mostly shit as part of the "allies", nobody wanted to give up to the russians but we were forced to.


Even though many people admired communism (since we had sort of national communism rather than USSR-style,like it or not Ceausescu accomplished many things, it's true under tyranny) he said he'll chose the alternative every time.

The truth is we were forced to give up onto communism, not only us but many countries near us.Fact is that the eastern front was so much stronger.

The fact that eastern europe is struggling now is obvious, you can't change decades worth of "systems" overnight, not to a level compared to western europe at least.

>it's not like average Joe here lived better 200 years ago
He would have lived much better. And that takes it's toll today. Why are countries like the Netherlands and Belgium have so much higher salaries than Eastern Europe?

Why do all commie shit holes have "people's" in the name?

>when economic crises become so frequent and big that living under those conditions becomes unsustainable
Europe has never been even close to such a state. And when there is no money, there is nothing that the government can do for you either. If we exclude taking your business away, of course.

Which is why I said it was misunderstood- the circumstances under which it was imposed were not conducive to anything taking hold sustainably

>never close
actually not true. What happened is that concessions were made to keep workers relatively content at the end of the 19th century. (western europe.) This averted that sort of thing.

>Dating a Lithuanian girl
>Her birth certificate is printed on Soviet letterhead
>Says Communism was shit, entire family relieved it's over
>They all still hate Russians

Add Sweden to that map. comrade.

They think he's their savior of some sorts. I had an Albanian almost stab me in London when i called bunker man a retard and said that bunkers are shit.

A massive faggot who poisoned his enemies and even close friends he thought were threats.

Oh it's quite simple. Shareholders are the people who assign the leader, who then must choose the managers, who will hire the workers. In the end of the month, the leader must divide the profit into taxes, workers' pay, price of base materials, equipment, shares & obligations and then secondary services, as well as set a capital aside for emergencies. There isn't only one guy on top and the workers below, and the guy on top rarely gets to keep the "lion's share".

maybe you shouldn't have had a fucking kid if you worked at a shoe factory
>boss does absolutely nothing meme
instead of fucking like rabbits
don't have kids until you get a job that is more than enough for you and your spouse to live on
attend trade school/college/Military is how you get the job
but no since you're fucking stupid and refuse to better yourself, those who were successful must pay for you

>tfw live in a renovated commieblock

feelscomfyman

>shareholders
this meme

shareholders care about profit maximisation and will hire anyone who can do that for them. Since that's what they care about, every manager they hire will try to ensure the same thing. For any laborer, it's the same end result.

>you shouldn't have had a fucking kid if you worked at a shoe factory

that's your best response? don't have a kid? Are you serious?

Thanks for the advice captain obvious, I'll go to work in shit conditions for shit pay and no prospects of change but at least I don't have a kid so it's all hunky fucking dory

>go to the military
this meme

>attend college
>drop 110 k in debt because that's how you're free

>those who were successful
you say it like they operate within a fucking bubble

like any value is simply created out of thin air and not added thanks to the exhaustive list of public goods and infrastructure that I drop tax dollars for

you fucking moron

Of course they care of profit maximization, that's why they invested in the fuckibg business, that's why they gave their money to the people opening business. Were the business to fail they would lose all their investment, how would that be a bad thing?

you must not know how much it costs to raise a kid
In Murica' its 245k from birth to 18, 245k in an 18 year period is alot for a piss poor person
>Somehow military is not a good field to go into?
>college debt
fuck no
it's called work full time and save up
when did i imply they operate within a bubble?
I simply said you would tax the ones who were financially well off

Lithuanians in particular suffered under Russian rule.

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