Is transgenderism legit?

I was always under the impression it was a mental illness but i now keep seeing this argument that "biological science supports transgenderism" like this is a legit question is there an argument that doesnt involve "brain sex"?

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No. It's not legit.

Totally legit. Trust me, I'm a scientifician.

i am actually being serious i dont know what scientific sources people are using apart from the brain theory thing to assert transgender is real and sex isnt.

Gender is sex. Sex is in your genes. No, transgenderism isn't fucking real. This wave of transgenderism is what happens when liberals get their way for 20+ years. They never stop pushing their degeneracy on the world.

I do think sex and gender are separate, but to an extent. Gender is, contrary to what most of Sup Forums thinks, a spectrum. That's why there's some males have feminine personality traits and vice versa.

However, while a spectrum, the "halves" are categorically based on sex. Unhealthy individuals are males but fully engrossed in the idea that they're females (and vv). It's a mental illness. Gender reassignment however, is NOT an appropriate solution and only worsens the situation and persons wellbeing.

There's numerous, non-pc studies on this, but you'll have to read through methodology section to determine how credible they are.

Full disclaimer, I think the push for acceptance of transgender as a normative "non conventional gender" is fucking retarded, and these surgeries should not be encouraged.

It's a real mental illness, yes.
If you have someone under the delusion that they can fly, you don't surgically attach wings to them to match their delusion, you treat them.
But when someone is under the delusion that they are the wrong gender, everyone backs over backwards to try and change reality to fit their delusion.

What doesn't help is the overall trend of the internet to push people with similar delusions together, supporting each other's delusions.

It's as legit as homosexuality (and all are similar to pedophilia, in that they all have a genetic component, but can be managed if one desires).

Genderqueer and fluid and whatever other sjw bullshit used to alienate normal people is special snowflake status, though.

Quick tip: if they're trying hard to look like one or the other and just want to fit in/be accepted as their preferred (binary) gender, it's a safe bet it's legit. If they're getting pissed at you for getting it wrong because they want to be something weird or non binary, it's a fucking game to them and they're shit testing you to see if you'll give in like a cuck.

>scientifician
>not based scientologist

Biological science can obviously show how specific mental disorders come about. For example, the region of the brain responsible for empathy is inactive in sociopaths, and yet sociopathy is a disorder.

Of course trannies are confused faggots, and no shit they think the way they do because of chemical imbalances. They still should not be indulged in their delusions any more than a decompensating schizophrenic.

>a fucking leaf
This is just sophistry. Gender as the lefties are defining it now is entirely subjective and thus useless for any sort of social policy. It's the equivalent of having a law that says "don't do evil stuff." Totally retarded, just like the nu-left.

That's why we base things like bathrooms off of objective fact, what lefties call 'sex,' and not each person's feelings.

what contributes feminine personalty traits and vv?

Did you know after having gender reassignment surgery, the body of a male-to-female patient treats the artificially made vagina as an open wound, and will attempt to heal it closed? Trans male-to-females use a large plug to keep the laceration open at night, preventing the healing process for as long as they can.

Decide for yourself.

>You'll never be able to change your chromosomes
>Therefore transitioning is impossible

yes, im not arguing for transgender, i think its a mental illness. what i am asking is the arguments made for transgenderism and how science is apparently pro-trans.

Science isn't pro-transgender. At all

It's another delusion in a long list from a very unwell group of people who wouldn't have their little self-affirming hugboxes if it wasn't for the internet

Some of them truly have deluded themselves into believing that it's not them that has the problem, it's reality itself.

I thought you were asking about it in general. (((Science))) is pro-trans in the same way race doesn't exist.

Basically, an old, weathered scientist that doesn't really understand all the political charge about a topic decides to test it. He scientifically proves something unpopular.
Every other scientist says "Yeah well that's just like your opinion man just cause you can objectively prove it doesn't make it true cause it's an opinion."
From then after, universities claim it's the scientific consensus that race/gender is a social construct, or transgenderism is legit, or something. Then it just self perpetuates.

I declare that all my opinions are now science. Checkmate bigots.

Jesus christ. Too afraid to google if this is true

Genders are not real. You either have XX chromosomes, XY chromosomes, or you're a freak of nature.

These days too many XY chromosome pairs are impersonating freaks of nature in attempt to look like XX chromosome pairs.

There are legitimate cases of transgendered people.
However, just because there's legitimate cases of cancer, that doesn't mean that every time you find a lump or a growth you should head straight to chemotherapy.

>if it's not a mental disease then why do ninety % of trans people suicide before the age of fifty?

Name one legit case

One real, documented, medically verified human hermaphrodite

Ever

In human history

Just one

One

It was born out of gay men being shamed and beaten and killed for fucking in the ass because shit is disgusting and carries disease. SO if they can just dress as a woman and carry on...fast forward into the gay rights era and low and behold fags are dressing in drag and acting as women and it just went from there. Once they figured out they could use female hormones the same way body builders used male hormones to drastically change their body chemistry the snowball was rolling down the hill. Plus, the entire "gender is a social construct" was created by a loon who for all intents and purposes should be laughed at for his crazy experiments on children and gender. Doctors experimented on these mentally unstable people much like a pedophile prays on sick kids or a rapist prays on people in an insane asylum, they experimented on them because they had a chance to see, first hand, and further their curiosity about human biology and science. "If we take boy A and give him a barbie will he act differently than boy B who has a GI Joe" type of retro ass scientific school video shit...

There you go, that's where we are today and how we got there, fags basically started acting like women to be more free to do gay shit.

I do not have any qualms with transgenders. I think they're people and they should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want.

The thing that pisses me off is turning this shit into a political movement. For fucks sake, people just want to live their own lives at peace, and I bet nobody gives a shit that you're transgender, a dog or whatever it may comes to you, but certainly they don't wanna be called as transphobic or whatever just because they don't care for whatever the fuck you are and whatever issues you might have with society.

Gender isn't a social construct though (lefties think this). Gender is factually the relationship between testosterone and estrogen levels on behaviour. The variable levels of the two is what make this a "spectrum" I guess, but men will always produce more testosterone than women, tying it directly to sex.

To say that gender and sex are the same thing is dishonest, but it's also retarded and naive to say that gender is purely subjective.

No. It's a mental illness normalized by the mainstream media.

Transphobic! This makes you an evil person, and all your friends and family are encouraged to ostracize you if not outright attack you because of your thought crime!

Welcome to 2016

Are you saying their is scientific evidence and hard measurable data to back up the fact that women have boobs for a reason?

hmm just as i suspected but still interested in the theories as it were

i was quite specific in the op, or at least i tried to be. what bothers me is it seems to change depending what scientist you talk to, and thats worrying.

Ok so as someone who actually is a tranny and has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria by 2 different specialists and 3 therapists I can tell you that
1. It does exist
2. It is a mental ilness
3. Most of the tumblrinas and sjw's claiming to be trans are not actually trans.

Now despite the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental ilness, after decades of research the only known proven method of alleviating the symptoms that come with it are hormonal replacement therapy. At this point in time there is no cure and its extremely likely entire parts of the brain would have to be rewired since gender dysphoria occurs when the part of the brain that deals with self and identity forms to be the exact opposite of the persons biological sex.

I know im biologically male and always will be but because of hormones i went from an extremely depressed, suicidal, self loathing beta loser to a happy go lucky, loving, happy, cute trap. If i had not taken hormones it is extremely like i would have commited suicide years ago as i had been thinking about it every day for a number of years and havent thought about it since i first started them.

Any questions?

Biological science is pseudoscience

intersex != transgender

The medical community needs to holistically view gender dysphoria as an illness that requires treatment and care, not something that automatically would be fixed through reassignment. There are people for whom that is the best option, but low dose SSRIs and lithium is probably more effective.

They're for feeding your spawn.

How do you plan to suicide when reality hits?

True

Are you now a happy and fulfilled individual? because that's truly what matters and if so I'm happy for you.

>2 different specialists and 3 therapists

Not all doctors get A's in school
Theories are challenged and proven to be false over time

sorry honey, your getting the literal 1st wave of faggotry science, you're literally dealing with greek levels of "some guy throws lightning down from the sky" knowledge and understanding

>The medical community needs to holistically view gender dysphoria as an illness
It does.

apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/37958

I dont know of any medical institution that doesnt view it as a mental ilness. I had to see quite a few psychologists for a number of years before they would even consider letting me be on hormones

Gender dysmorphia is real.
It's a real mental disorder.
The question is whether or not "transitioning" is an effective and humane treatment.

The staggeringly high suicide rates among Post-Op trannies suggest heavily that it is not.

But even those C+ doctors know a fuckton more about this topic than you ever will..

so....

fuck off?

What about recent discoveries on brain's neuroplasticity? Do you think research on it will create ethical dilemmas for transgender people? Technically speaking, we can in a near future "rewire" the brain.

NO, its a mental illness just ask kek

youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

a hopkins PHD said it was a mental illness

cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

ok genuine question
why do you think the hormones make you feel better? given that other mental illnesses are treated with tablets which alter hormones do you think its possible that there could be a drug that makes you feel better that doesnt transition you? or do you feel its more than that personally?

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

Basically, an area of the brain called the BSTc is sexually dimorphic, and doesn't become so until adulthood.

In transsexuals, study after study has shown a BSTc volume in line with the sex espoused by the transsexual. Either the brain is adopting the sex the person identifies as, or the transsexuals were always going to develop BSTc volumes in line with their espoused sex - this suggests that it isn't hormones in the womb, but a biologically programmed development.

Transsexuals are born that way. They can't be fixed, and they can't be made. On some level, they are women.

>beta loser
Yeah that's what you are
>self loathing
>extremely depressed
this is why 5'5" jews get rich, it's literally what drives them

like if you were that huge of a loser, and had reason to be, why do you need medication?

let's say at 32 years old a man starts going bald and is having trouble with his weight...literally your school of sciences says "we can fix that...with chemicals that alter his brain so he doesn't feel those feelings anymore"

that school doesn't say..."well, he's got a reason to feel down, but we can give him a hair transplant and put him on a diet and hook him up with a certified personal trainer"

>a hopkins PHD said it was a mental illness

Well.. yeah. What else would it be? That doesn't mean that it's "bad" or "wrong", it means that it is an illness that needs treatment.

The only problem is that treatment confuses your no-no spot and you don't know how to deal with it, so you get angry.

Again, sophistry. This is just redefining a word over and over again to conform to whatever rationalized bullshit the lbs want. Nowadays, with all of the 'build-a-gender' crap, gender is self-defined and therefore subjective. Very few people, if any, who make up a gender for themselves will do so based off of a chart of their hormone levels.

I would say that gender is in essence a mental state, but it's pretty indescribable without circular logic. Kind of like explaining sight to a blind person.

what about people who argue it isnt a mental disorder?

>Transsexuals are born that way.

So are down syndromes...

>On some level, they are women
how exactly?

>is sexually dimorphic, and doesn't become so until adulthood
>doesn't become so until adulthood
>Transsexuals are born that way
nigger come on, at least read your own post

by taking your entire continent with me. Its gonna be quite a spectical.

Your trolling is pretty bad tho desu, nothing in my post indicates anything but objective reality.

>Are you now a happy and fulfilled individual?
Yup. Im atleast 10000x happier than i was before. I have a loving gf, people treat me better because they all think im a girl, i look cute, i feel comfortabl with my body. Its like finally wearing the right size of jeans after having to wear a pair 2 sizes too small for 10 years.

>Not all doctors get A's in school
Luckily the ones i all saw had either masters or PHD's.

>Theories are challenged and proven to be false over time
Yep, but the simple fact my life is 1000x better than it used to be is proof that it works atleast for me.

>your getting the literal 1st wave of faggotry science, you're literally dealing with greek levels of "some guy throws lightning down from the sky" knowledge and understanding

So you basically admit you have no idea how the brain or hormones work. Do burgers not get any biology education anymore?
Oh shit you are a leaf, you must be from the east coast. Sorry about that.

>being okay with hair transplants as a way to cure depression
>not being okay with gender reassignment as a way to cure depression

lol okay

kek.

now i got that stupid gaga song in my head.

>biologically
Wut

If I was biologically a woman then I wouldn't have transitioned in the first place.

Research suggests that sex reassignment works though. Most suicides happen either by social peer pressure (families not accepting, etc) or regret post surgery.

The latter case is the problem with it: there's a lot of political push for this thing now and that forces therapists to diagnose transgenderism quicker instead of a thorough analysis. That's the real danger.

Psyfag here.

There is absolutely a mental illness called gender dysphoria.

That people can be born with the "wrong gendered brain" is closer to wishful thinking. Brains aren't that gendered to begin with.

Transexuals may have brains that are atypical for their gender.

However the rules for how transgenderisim is defined is rapidly moving towards "anyone who wants to be", so any studies out now may not hold in the future.

The core objective is to keep transfags from offing themselves, not to push any political statement about gender.

Giving suicidal transfags hormones, and telling them to live as the other gender reduces their suicide rate.

Of course, one side effect is that many transfags are now coached to behave more crazy and suicidally to get the shit they want, and treat mental health professionals as obstacles.

And insane motherfuckers who wish to push political statements about gender will use all of this, but that's all part of societal gender roles. And that's how we get gender dysphoria diagnoseses for kids under 5 years old.

In your opinion, what's the best approach/treatment for autogenophiles?

I wasn't trolling, I'm genuinely curious

They're wrong.
Gender dysphoria is just a specific form of body dysphoria.
Like people who legitimately believe their arm isn't theirs or some other crazy shit.

We don't encourage those people to cut off their arms, do we? Of course not! We give them medicine and therapy to treat their delusions.

So why do we encourage other dysmorphia sufferers to mutilate their bodies instead?

Because of fags and fag enablers.

makes sense, just don't touch my dick without asking first

And Autogynephilia?

Nah. There is a reason why Gender Studies and Transgender Studies professors are attacking the scientific fact of biological sex. They are anti-science because reality conflicts with their delusions.

>Gender:
>Made up bullshit, a persons individuality can be influenced by the environment. You can teach a man too be a girl if you try hard enough.

>Sex:
>Men: Penis, hormones, different body proportions to women and biological instinct to be hunters and breeders
>Women: Ovaries, hormones, different body proportions to men and biological instinct to be gatherers and carers.

People are just being edgy and special by trying to undermine who they are genetically and biologically. Tranny death rates are so high because they refuse to accept who they are.

>Luckily the ones i all saw had either masters or PHD's.

Yes stupid, that doesn't mean they kicked ass in school, it means X% of students literally have to graduate so their school graduation rates are enough that they can charge tens of thousands of dollars each year for their programs, an MBA at some schools in Canada is $100,000....you think they can have people failing out every year and keep the price that high?

>is proof that it works atleast for me.

They could have put you on MDMA or LSD or Mushrooms and you may have felt your life was 999x or 1001x better...so what proof is that?


>So you basically admit you have no idea how the brain or hormones work.
Nowhere did I admit that, nice logical fallacy. Again, you're literally getting flat earth philosopher ideas about transgenderisms as science...do you know who David Reimer is? Do you know who Dr. Money is? The doctors who diagnosed you as anything more than a girly gay loser work under a school of thought somewhat build with or on Dr. Money's theories and books...research how quacked out that shit is and was

>missing the point and trying to argue with me

fuck off tranny

just wanted to say ty for everyones responses, i get that people may take this all as a troll post given where we are and the subject matter but i appreciate all the varied viewpoints on this.

Biological science supports gender dysphoria the way it supports ALL mental illnesses in that, whether through genetics, environment, or a combination of the two, the brain is affected in such a way as to cause it behave dysfunctionally.

>The staggeringly high suicide rates among Post-Op trannies

This only says that the surgery is a problem , not the hormones.

IMO no one should get the surgery done ever unless as a last resort because I know so many other trannies who have done it and instantly regret it. Most are dead or suicidal.

The hormones work pretty good tho. The problem is that the people publishing papers on the "effectiveness" and "realness" of the srs fake vagina are literally the same people who are paid millions of dollars a year to perform these surgeries. Its a huge fucking scam.

>echnically speaking, we can in a near future "rewire" the brain.
Thats an ethical dilemna for everyone desu. What happens if the government doesnt like your personality and wants your brain to be changed so you are more subservient?

What makes you you is the same thing that makes me me.

>why do you think the hormones make you feel better?

Im not 100% sure desu. I just know that they do and any time i stop taking them i get really depressed.

It might have something to do with the fact that if you take a normal biological woman with no gender dyshporia and give her the wrong hormones, she will get extremely depressed, self loathing, suicidal, etc etc. The same thing will happen to biological men without gender dysphoria if you give them hormones.

I think that because the hormones my body naturally produces are the opposite of what my brain thinks they should be, it has been freaking out and super sad for years. Now that they arent, its happy and content.


>be a drug that makes you feel better that doesnt transition you?
Sure there are. But none of them worked at all for me, iv tried like atleast 10 different SSRIs and loads of stuff.

Plus at this point even if they found something I already have boobs, i look like a girl, i live my life as if i was a girl, I would have no idea how to go back to living as a boy.

Gay men also show tons of neurological similarities to straight women, but we don't use that as evidence that gay men are women on some level.

No, it does not.
The transgendered person’s disorder, said Dr. McHugh [1], is in the person’s “assumption” that they are different than the physical reality of their body, their maleness or femaleness, as assigned by nature. It is a disorder similar to a “dangerously thin” person suffering anorexia who looks in the mirror and thinks they are “overweight,” said McHugh.

This assumption, that one’s gender is only in the mind regardless of anatomical reality, has led some transgendered people to push for social acceptance and affirmation of their own subjective “personal truth,” said Dr. McHugh. As a result, some states – California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts – have passed laws barring psychiatrists, “even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor,” he said.

The pro-transgender advocates do not want to know, said McHugh, that studies show between 70% and 80% of children who express transgender feelings “spontaneously lose those feelings” over time. Also, for those who had sexual reassignment surgery, most said they were “satisfied” with the operation “but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn’t have the surgery.”

“And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a ‘satisfied’ but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs,” said Dr. McHugh.

Dr. McHugh also reported that there are “misguided doctors” who, working with very young children who seem to imitate the opposite sex, will administer “puberty-delaying hormones to render later sex-change surgeries less onerous – even though the drugs stunt the children’s growth and risk causing sterility.”

Fucking bait.

Biological sciences are not "seeing" the light. The shit is still considered a mental illness.

>"I'm Napoleon Bonaparte."
>buy a big hat
>learn French
>get leg shortening surgery
>shout "let's conquer Russia!" to random people.

>"I'm a woman."
>buy a dress
>learn a lisp
>get penis inversing surgery
>shout "where's the lady's bathroom!" to random people.

The guy who thinks he's Napoleon is crazy, but the guy who thinks he's a woman isn't, and you're insensitive if you refuse to play along with their delusion.

Why the double standard?

In fact gender is a biological spectrum. If you can change a gender with chemicals gender is at most a condition. Massive populations have grown a penis way late in life. If gender was a strict construct doners of blood and organs would not be able to cross gender boundries. Look up chimera syndrome. Some humans are actively bithkit male and female. This is 4 chan so I don't expect this to be looked up or received well.

hmm this was my thinking too but as now there is an attempt to differentiate transgenderism from mental illness i was asking about that as in if there is any evidence to differentiate it.

Sexual orientation and gender are as malleable as facts are. People do not begin to live as one gender or the other but instead learn their gender roles. The current trend of LGBTQR+ challenges why one person should conform to gender roles based on sex. They dont realize this developed for a variety of crucials reasons contributing to our survival as a species. According to them, the world has changed so we dont need them, but we do. They can afford to live like degenerates since our society enables the weak but one day they will reach some sort of critical mass that will unravel and rot society. We can also afford people committing suicide, taking the whole medicine cabinet, and self-mutilating. Why accept it as fact or encourage it like this moron did, though? Thats the real question. What do they gain from persuading a part of the population to undergo conversion therapy and operations?

When gender is spoken in that way it should be done solely through the use of "masculine" and 'feminine". If trannies would refer to themselves as "masculine females" and "feminine males" than I'd have no problem, but using the same terms for gender as sex is nothing short of doublethink.

already stated not bait user, just because a subject triggers you doesnt make it b8 m8.

All those studies have huge issues and have not been accepted. IE they don't have large enough samples account for lifestyle, diet, vices ect>

>This only says that the surgery is a problem
...
>Most are dead or suicidal.
Yeah, because actually becoming the other gender didn't fix their problem...which is a mental illness, like schizophrenia...you're literally in a period of tranny science where they are lobotomizing people with schizophrenia....you get that right? It's the same idea behind it..."I'll just cut this part out and we'll see what happens I guess...oh yeah, I have to write it down and call it 'science' instead of 'I'm given a legal medical license to experiment on humans'"

>any time i stop taking them i get really depressed.
This happens to male steroid users...not so special now are you

>I think that because the hormones my body naturally produces are the opposite of what my brain thinks they should be
Wow....this is just retarded, why in the fuck would your brain and body not be in sync for something as simple as estrogen and testosterone? It's literally coded in your fucking DNA....there is no opinion about it, it's coded into your genetics

>Yeah that's what you are
If you say so, im pretty popular. Like back when i was a complete degenerate slut i was usually top cam on chaturbate. i dont know why id get so much if i was a beta loser.
>this is why 5'5" jews get rich,
Do you remember that article that came out about male contraceptive pills a few months ago and how they made the men so suicidal they couldnt even function and they had to stop the testing? Yeah thats basically how i felt from ages 13-21.

>what's the best approach/treatment for autogenophiles?

I dont know. Sometimes i get accused of being one because i plan on keeping my penis and i like girls, but like i didnt used to like girls before hormones. I was literally taking dick up the ass all the time before hormones changed my sexuality completely. I feel like autogynophile is a term thrown around a lot to people it doesnt apply to. For those that have it probably therapy.

>just don't touch my dick without asking first
I like girls now tho. thx hormones
>hat doesn't mean they kicked ass in school,
>getting a masters or phd doesnt require good grades

Stop posting

>They could have put you on MDMA or LSD or Mushrooms a
Iv taken quite a few different drugs in my life and desu the only thing that even comes close to how i feel on hormones is morphine, but desu hormones are way better because they dont make me drowsy or dizzy.

>you're literally getting flat earth philosopher ideas about transgenderisms as science
You say you understand hormones and yet you spout this nonsense. Jesus christ stop posting.

Such action comes “close to child abuse,” said Dr. McHugh, given that close to 80% of those kids will “abandon their confusion and grow naturally into adult life if untreated ….”

“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”

Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital [1] and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary [2] in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people.

“This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.”

Actual trannies exist right across the political scale. I've heard that from somebody before but don't know where.

They still deserve gas chambers, but you'll trannies from all types of political backgrounds because it's an actual diagnosable mental condition (gender dysphoria) but the only people you'll find identifying as 2016-made genders are people on the left, which pretty much proves its legitimacy.

I don't think we should play into trannies and their mental illness by calling them she/he but they are legitimate.

>male contraceptive pills

Link?

what about blaire white who is popular on Sup Forums?

>.you're literally in a period of tranny science where they are lobotomizing people with schizophrenia....you get that right?

Thats just the surgery though. As i said i quit vehomently proest its use unless under extreme cicumstances. I mean yeah sure id love a real vagina because my dick is too big and gets in the way sometimes but what the surgery offers is an axe wound fake vagina.
>This happens to male steroid users
>comparing hormones to steroids
gee wiz you arent the smartest.

>why in the fuck would your brain and body not be in sync
Because birth defects happen all the fucking time. Literally all the time. We know of thousands and thousands of them. Furthermore we know of lots of birth defects that happen in the brain. We also know that from Intersex people its possible for a birth defect to fuck up genitalia. How retarded are you to think that with all the birth defects out there its not possible for the brain to develop thinking its the wrong gender? I mean it literally all starts out the same and sometimes fucks up. Thats the entire reason we have intersex women with ovaries and a penis.

Im like 99% sure i have other defects too desu.

Certain parts of their brains are within the female average, without any hormones.

>nigger come on, at least read your own post

It doesn't become sexually dimorphic in anyone until adulthood. A 14 year old boy and girl have BSTc volumes in the same ranges. Puberty is programmed into DNA, and so transsexuals are expressing a puberty that results in a hermaphroditic brain that looks female in some ways.

I've heard people argue that this is evidence for a unique brain phenotype, rather than a cross-sex phenotype. But if that's the case, why are transsexuals being judged by male and female behavioral norms? Transsexuals then become a new subspecies.

Can't you live in peace with an alien lifeform? Why not let them be, if they support healthy human behaviors like traditional femininity?

Literally who?

>i dont know why id get so much if i was a beta loser.
You said it yourself right here>" i went from an extremely depressed, suicidal, self loathing beta loser"
>self loathing beta loser
>beta loser
You said you were a loser before you became a woman, my point 100% still stands

>Yeah thats basically how i felt from ages 13-21.
You have no idea how those men felt because you're so simple you think it's all the same, one persons idea of "feeling suicidal" is the same as you being a "beta loser"...as a "beta loser" you should feel suicidal....just like a man who's 5'5" has every reason to feel like a manlet

>>getting a masters or phd doesnt require good grades
I didn't say that, again, a logical fallacy on your part because you refuse to consider the point I am making

>Iv taken quite a few different drugs in my life
So you think that's the same as doctors, your fantastic team of PHD's and master degree having doctors?

OMG ARE YOU A DOCTOR TOO?

Fuck stop the presses ladies and gentleman...

Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman is in the fucking house!

That's who I heard it from.


But as far as I'm concerned, she's up there with Milo/Gavin McInnes/Lauren Southern and the rest of the kike squad.

he*

Though it took me 2-3 videos to realize.

Tests have been done recording natural impulses to scents and images of the opposite gender, as well as brain scans that show similarities between trans brains and the correlating sex they feel they belong to. As I recall, it was determined that their brain was unique in that it exhibited characteristics of both sexes, favoring the sex they felt they belonged to. That being said, there is no doubt that mental disorders DO exist in which people psychological convince themselves of transgenderism, and likely cases where people just outright lie for attention.

The attempt now to differentiate it is being head by the people who suffer from the disorder and their feelings about it.
You can look at the brain of a sociopath and see that it is different from a normal person's and so the sociopath behaves abnormally. You would also be able to note that the sociopath has been that way from birth and thus it is genetic. Now assuming that the sociopath has been successful in life he might not feel that what he has is a disorder, he might even feel it makes him better than others, and he can say that's just the way he was born and so it's natural, but it doesn't change our definition of it.

Trannies are just looking for special treatment.

I don't think theres anything wrong with calling trans people by the pronouns of the gender they are transitioning to. No fake shit. No singular they, but as long as they aren't complete cunts and pass well enough theres no reason not to show them a little respect.

um
press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2016-2141?journalCode=jcem

>i quit vehomently proest
Jesus christ someone kill me
I quite vehemently protest*

Trannies are mentally retarded and having sex with one is considered rape as they are not in the correct state of mind to understand what is going on. Same thing as a child. If you fuck a tranny you are basically fucking a child in an adult's body.

why does it have to be one or another? biological problems can give you mental illnesses

you're a little attention whore , "YA GUYZ IM A TRANNY"
you're some fucking skinny bony loser with chest fat and long hair who's trying to justify his shitty decision.
>If you say so, im pretty popular. Like back when i was a complete degenerate slut i was usually top cam on chaturbate. i dont know why id get so much if i was a beta loser.
Yeah man totally happened.
it's definitely real but it's also a mental illness just like autism.

Honestly, in real life, simply because I'm not a cunt and would rather avoid trouble with a tranny, I probably would, but we may as well state the facts and say they're as much of a female as any other male is and vice versa.

So you were a degenerate before the hormones, too

If you put the barrel in your mouth, flinching won't affect it when you pull the trigger :) your chance to not fail at one thing... because you sure as fuck don't pass