It's obviously a movement to help women gain confidence to work, and TO look after themselves, hence give them higher goals to achieve, and more freedom to go on vacation etc. Yes, freedom. I don't see why you're against it. Why make women trapped in a bubble where she has to rely on a man?
I can understand why you hate radical feminism, like fat acceptance, and ''kill all men'' etc, but there's nothing wrong with promoting women in the workforce, or even have women lead roles in hero films.
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>there's nothing wrong with promoting women in the workforce
Yes there is.
>Both parents working
>Traditional family values are not teached to new generations
>Government takes the main role in children education, parents become irrelevant.
>State indoctrination
We're against 3rd wave feminism.
Women voting, who gives a shit
>It's obviously a movement to help women gain confidence to work, and TO look after themselves
Literally bad things for society, including the women.
Women should be discouraged from working at all, and especially for full-time, career-type jobs. Being good wives and mothers makes society better, and makes women happier.
Patriarchy is the standard because it's the best, not because of some species-long conspiracy to keep muh stronk women oppressed.
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>I can understand why you hate radical feminism, like fat acceptance, and ''kill all men'' etc, but there's nothing wrong with promoting women in the workforce, or even have women lead roles in hero films.
I've been thinking about Feminism and how the it's a Jewish trick to turn women and men against each other. Instead of us giving into the jews, let's try find a moderate position like OP has suggested.
not an argument
I'm sure women need to be given a chance. And desu, they can't if men are just going to laugh at them because 'they're women'.
Maybe people should knoow that women have rights too, and should be listened to.
>muh traditional family values
'''traditionalism'' just creates glass ceiling for people, especially women.
hence look at what I said above. Women have the freedom and cash to go abroad.
What's so appealing about going through labour 5 times, when you can just do 1 or 2 times?
You don't need 5+ kids
again, read what I said to the other anone above
why wouldn't you want women working? they can earn themselves some money
also, if you discourage them from working, then whos going to do the nursing, cleaning, modelling and other jobs?
I think ''traditional roles'' are the thing that have causes divide and conquer between men and women by saying they're different, hence making women seem ''worthless to society, other than kids'' anyway.
Imagine being brought up as a child and being told you're basically inferior? Weather you're male of female.
Why would feminism turn bother genders against each other? If it's men who appose women's opportunities, then maybe men are the problem?
Sup Forums is not against feminism. Sup Forums is against anti-masculinism, particularly anti-white-masculinism.
Because, one way or the other, it turned young women into cockhungry whores, or if they always were that, it enabled them to live out their fantasies, thus making them ineligible for marriage and having kids, or popping out babies as a single mother that will turn out abbhorent due to a lack of a father figure.
Feminism hasn't actually been about any of that in several decades.
Modern feminism is cultural degeneration.
> It's obviously a movement to help women (...) TO look after themselves
Yes means yes
Welfare state
No-Fault divorce and alimony
Title 8 housing
(And guess what, it's worse in Canada, and I'm not talking about sweden)
Other than that, most of us like civilization, and Feminism = Welfare state + Demographic Winter = Civilization death.
>against anti-masculinism
But women aren't against masculinity
Women would be depressed if the whole worlds males were beta cucks
women should not be allowed to vote or work
> Implying own-group preferences coupled with being 51% of the population don't mean welfare state and civilization collapse
lol
Fun fact traditional family values if you look back far enough to a time like the middle ages, meant both worked and both took equal care of the babies and kids.
Because when you have fucking 9 kids and both parents work 12 hours you can bet your ass mom wouldn't do all the work. The idea of a woman staying at home could only exist in the bubble of a great economy we used to have.
I don't see how this had got to do with giving women confidence to work?
where did a mention sex?
Also, no one should be on sex carousels, but it's true that men are concerned over a woman's previous sexual partners, as he has jealousy within him, and insecure problems on weather he's the best at sex compared to her previous or not
You can't fpbp your own post, faggot.
I don't like communism/marxism, but there's wrong with a welfare state in this day and age?
It's modern times, and plus we have technology, and digital and organised bank accounts
I think by in large Sup Forums is pro second wave feminism. Equal rights and opportunities on a merit based system. It's third wave that's gaining all the converts and should be destroyed.
In order for women to do that they need the state, a male or to not have hcildren at all.
This all sounds too authoritarian.
Also, you don't need any more than 1-2 kids
REEEEEEEEE A FUCKING LEAF
Of course back then the kids worked with the parents as soon as they could walk.
(Damn child labor laws)
So there was no issue over who watched the kids while the parents were at work all day because they were there too.
>Modern women are retards
This should be beaten into every young boy from the age of 10 onwards. They're literally a societal and soul-pollutant.
If op wants to advance women in the workplace, let's see you gals sweeping the streets, farming, fixing toilets and working in construction. Start from the ground up, while learning some manners and valuing the hard work it takes to build and maintain societies. Not swooping in for the cushy numbers to fund your wasteful max factor catalogue existance. #follow me on snapchat peeps. #i like constantly take photos of myself. # what the fuck have women mutated into?
Chesterton always right
>Not having as many kids as possible to spread white genes.
There is no dinstinction between man and woman in the eyes of the law. except maternity leave. Therefore, it is obsolete. A mechanism to call for attention
How many women have you fucked, bong?
>Why would feminism turn bother genders against each other? If it's men who appose women's opportunities, then maybe men are the problem?
This is the entire problem with your arguement, you assume that women are in some way being oppressed. This is absolute bullshit. Women today are in no way unable to work in whatever field they choose to go into. The problem is that they choose not too because they simply are individuals who don't want to do that particular line of work. Third wave feminism, however, simply just cannot accept the reality that men and women are different, and therefor take upon an idealistic Marxist approach to gender involvement in the workforce. This is why 3rd wave feminist would lie consistently on the gender wage gap. It's not a wage gap, it's a salary gap; if that isn't your first red flag of a meaningless movement, you are mentally handicapped.
Also, 3rd wave feminists will consistently argued the 1/5 rape statistic(which is complete bullshit if you take 5 minutes to look into),by saying that all men are violent rapists by culture, but when it comes to men being masincarcerated, instead of admitting that maybe the whole basis of their ideology is fucked up, they blame it all on toxic masculinity.
With no explanation to where this came from, they assume that men are naturally authoritarian assholes who can't even make a system that benefits ourselves.
3rd wave feminists are the biggest anti women's rights movement you will ever find. Many of them consistently defend islam, letting their fellow women die in the Middle East out of real sexism, just so they can keep the narrative. And I will bet my life you will perform mental gymnastics to hold onto your position instead of replying with a good reply to this post, as with all other retarded feminists.
Cute post but the world doesnt work this way. Most women are happy to use the pussy pass. Feminism is only dfor a few gals that actually wanna do some work all.the while failing to realize that 99% of them are just wet hiles wasting space and showing snacks down their fat asses
>I can understand why you hate radical feminism, like fat acceptance,
there's nothing wrong with radically whipping out your fat tits and gaining acceptance, why not make that a thing
>need
not an argument
>Also, you don't need any more than 1-2 kids
anglo cuck degenerate faggot
Women already have the same rights/opportunities as men
There are no laws that force women to stay at home and there are no laws that tell women they cant get a job
Feminism is no longer needed
Plenty of women want to have lots of kids too.
Instead they are told that they cant be strong independent women unless they subscribe to the feminist movement. Which is a lie
Less women in the work force would result in companies competing for laborers, not the other way around. Companies would be forced to pay their employees more money to keep them around. In turn, women could actually afford to stay home and raise as many kids as they want, or pursue other interests.
Traditional roles do not cause any divide. There is a biological difference between man and woman that cannot be denied or changed.
Traditional roles do not make one gender superior over the other. It simply means that women are BETTER at being mothers and caretakers. Men are BETTER at working, providing, and protecting.
why do you want more people in the world?
wage compression much?
none, as I'm straight
I understand the while wage compression thing with women, but then you say that women need to birth like 5 kids. and be traditional. Isn't that just even more wage compression?
Because "feminism" has become militant. Much white men get blamed for everything, and they want to be supported by men vicariously through the government.
Men are expected to work while women have every opportunity handed to them (affirmative action, custody favors women, state benefits etc).
I personally don't give a fuck what women want to do, but if you want to play identity politics and then berate me for not wanting me to vote myself into oblivion by voting for that old hag, then quite frankly you can fuck off.
Pic related because you need us to defend you libtard pussies
So, if the '''1%''' of women want to work, then they should work.
If they want to encourage other women to do so, then shouldn't they do so? What is freedom of speech?
You realise that men are the violence in the wrld, right?
Rape, Fighting, Wars, other forms of violence, lots of corruption in the past.
Also, wan't it men of ALL races (I'm not anti white btw & all races had slaves), who enabled slavery?
There's a right and a wrong way to do things, currently they're doin it wrong
How brainwashed are you.
Lesbian couples are the ones that report the most domestic violence while gay the lowest
Women are way more violent because they are led by their emotions all the time
Modern young women are retards because feminism. Now fuck off.
>modern feminism
lol
Feminism is OK. But what triggers most ppl here and on the basis of right wing is the feminazies and their agenda.
You know if you dont react to theese things they'll force it trought, and become norm, and more absolute shitpile ideas rise, and gets pushed trought. You HAVE to fight it.
Also in western civilization there is literally no disadvantages of beeing a woman. There are equal rights, and opportunities. If women don't want to do stuff why are you forcing them? Why force them to go politics? To go STEM? They have the opportunity, and the right to do anything they want. By telling them to do otherwise you actually controll them like in fasistic supremacis.
Can you fucking retards stop trying to use philosophy in your arguments? You don't know anything about Marxism, you just know what you read about it in posts made by other uneducated brainlets.
Sincerely,
/lit/
OK, enjoy your kid being raised by politicians and public servants, you britbong faggot.
Nope. We're against feminism.
the idea of oppressor vs oppressed is the mantra of Marxism, it 100% exists inside feminism and its why you see militant feminism waging a wage against men. No one cares if you come from /lit/ faggot, I read books too
> Nu-Sup Forums defending feminism ITT
You are fools. Women should have never been given the right to vote, or work outside the home unless in a time of war. Hopefully, when the Muslims take over they'll enact sharia law and restore some sense to the world.
All feminism is a joke.
Women don't deserve rights. We can already said we tried it, didn't work. We have to go back.
Even the Greeks warned us.
Meanwhile, men are responsible for a war in the 1040s that resulted like 60,000,000 deaths?
That's just an example.
I can't think of a mass that's been because of women.
I'm not talking about a domestic relationship here
Elites have hijacked feminism hence, why they've made it look stupid
No, it's to create a world that shows men and women are equal.
>I understand the while wage compression thing with women, but then you say that women need to birth like 5 kids. and be traditional. Isn't that just even more wage compression?
You either don't listen or just don't understand the argument.
The salary difference is not a problem BECAUSE WOMEN ARE HAPPIER HAVING CHILDREN
We don't give a shit for a women's life if they want to go work, we just know that if she were to have a kid and have a happier life, she would be better off not working in order to make their life easier.
We know it's better to have a women in the household raising children, especially young, because their emotional intelligence is much higher than men (oh shock biology that doesn't conform to your bubble), but we also know that absence of the father can be detrimental, hence why most of pol abides by the nuclear family conservative ideology.
No one here has a problem with women working, every women is free to do what she wants. We have a problem with 3rd wave feminists like yourselves forcing women to work when they have a natural tendency not to. It's not an issue because women already have the rights, they just don't want to do what you envious as equal. If you disagree then you are not a women's rights advocate.
Listen close because this is the point that you miss all the time and I'll repeat what was already said in this thread by someone else: "most of the women DONT AGREE WITH YOU. It's not bad to have gender roles because that's the foundation of our society in order to survive."
It's delusional. Women can't take care of themselves because everything is '' muh feelings '' for them. It's genetic
I don't see the problem with public schooling.
>go to school
>learn how to numbers
>learn how to spell
>learn some basic history
>socialise with other kids
Are you saying we should live in a world where all schools are private?
I DON'T LIKE A MOVEMENT WHO'S PURPOSE IS TO GIVE WOMEN MORE FREEDOMS AND OPPORTUNITIES THAN ME, CAN YOU GET THAT INTO YOUR FAT SKULL OR IS IT UNREASONABLE TO ASK FOR IT???
Kek, first time I laughed with canadianposting, you're no Australia, but there is hope.
So if women can't work, then who's going to work in cares homes, kitchens etc?
Who's going to model women's clothes?
What if the woman has talent to work in the shobiz?
It's Marxism tailored for women. The only real goal is to advance Marxism and to use women as an army against the filthy goyim who resist Marxism in its various incarnations.
we love feminism almost as much as we love the jews, right newfriend?
There should always be alternatives to public schooling. That's a fundamental freedom.
Betas like yourself
> I don't like communism/marxism, but there's wrong with a welfare state in this day and age?
Simple:
If I tell you that walking on a tight rope several dozen meters above ground might kill you, you might not want to try it.
If there is a safety net, you might attempt it, if only for the thrills. Now imagine if every time someone fell in the net, they charged YOU 10 bucks, but you can't say anything about peoples' choice to walk that tight rope.
Leave alone the concepts that taxes are mandatory, and thus theft. It is subsidizing (and thus producing more) bad decisions at the cost of responsible people and bad decisions-makers alike.
Why go for the stable guy when the STD-riden hot stud is available once in a while?
> Your healthcare is free and/or paid by other people.
> Your net is to be given AT LEAST the bare minimum to live if you get pregnant
> You might score the jackpot and have him commit.
This cause a lot of single mothers of single childs, a lot of forever alones beta males going herbivore / MGTOW, which means a rise in crime, a demographic winter, diminishing tax incomes, and economic/societal collapse.
I see then.
But do you have proof that women are happier when they're traditional mothers?
If so, then I'll agree with you totally
muh degeneracy
go fucking make some friends and get laid you stupid K U C K
this tbqh, also the "sexual liberation of women" has done nothing but ruin marriage, put estrogen in the water supply from their birth control piss, and tank white birth rates in to the ground.
I'm a female.
>Men are more masculine and do masculine things, women are more feminine and do feminine things.
Wow, who could have imagined that?
Why has women's happiness gone down since 2nd wave feminism became a thing?
Why are more men refusing to get married?
Why are divorce rates sky high?
>lol no evidence of women not being happy
TL; DR: People react to incentives. Taxes and welfare incentivizes behaviors that are counter-productive to civilization.
All of your opinions make sense now, oh the naivety. I think women should work in certain scenarios, in feminine fields like nursing.
>TO look after themselves
current feminism promotes dependency on government in replacement of dependency on a husband.
Tits or Gtfo roastie.
Also enjoy working for the corporate jew and then trying to get a low value male in your mid 30s to procreate with because you were too stupid to play to your strength in your younger years.
Now fuck off with this shit bait.
Didn't women always fuck anyway?
I've never understood ''sexual liberation''. I'm pretty sure it's been around for 100s of years now
The normalization of it and acceptance is the difference. Before you could slut shame, now it's taboo. What don't you get about a cultural shift? Are you retarded? This is why you should not be allowed to vote.
they want the freedom to slut around without the stigma of being called a slut. that's what sexual liberation means
Okey, but doesn't this bring the third wave feminists weapon of ''toxic masculinity'' back to the table?
Name me one right as a man that I have that a woman doesn't. We don't need feminism its not about equal rights its about being a special snowflake where the world bends to you cuz muh vagina.
Good thumblr image.
I enjoyed the read.
>Maybe people should knoow that women have rights too, and should be listened to.
Let's see how far you get with your demands in Saudi Arabia. Yeah?
So now the men of today as a whole have to become second class citizens?
This false narrative from the leftists is toxic. It is sewing division into the fabric of our society. I am pretty much ideologically a libertarian. I don't think it is okay to enforce beliefs onto people.
Wage gap: people should be paid based on ability, nothing else. If a man is better than a woman at something he should make more and vise versa. Your worth in a capitalistic system should determine your pay. If you want more money try harder and get better.
Wars are fought over reasons like land and resources. Women don't really have to care about it because either way they are mostly safe, the winner will take care of them.
Maybe because they don't see the point of marriage?
Maybe men are too scared because alimony? (I think marriage law is bad too btw)
They're probably sky high because some people marry early, and then realise they weren't meant for each other as the years went on? So they split.
Maybe sexual sanctification stops too?
In its true form this is true but that's not what it has become today.
Do you think it's okey for men to sleep around?
Because men have been sleeping around since forever. That's one thing certain.
And as I have said before in a different post, "toxic masculinity" is an indirect way to biologically label men as assholes without directly saying it.
Their whole narrative lies upon the idea that it is culture that makes women choose certain jobs, hence the "wage" gap, and therefor nothing can be biological, otherwise feminism would be obsolete.
If you actually buy the toxic masculinity as a valid argument from feminists you are prob irredeemable, desu. Biological determinism is only right when it shows that men are the oppressors, but not that women are the willingly participants.
In other words, we argue that women have equal rights and culture isn't doing shit that impedes women from going into stem or any other high paying career.
Women must be subjugated or they destroy societies.
>Maybe because they don't see the point of marriage?
Marriage is hardly even encouraged, they are less happy without it, yet they are damaged goods and can barely attain it and maintain it.
>They're probably sky high because some people marry early, and then realise they weren't meant for each other as the years went on? So they split.
Hilariously incorrect, people marry later than ever and the divorce rate is higher than ever.
A man can impregnate multiple women at once, a woman can only have one child at a time, whence you see polygamy form. This is not good for a stable society, whence monogamy. Pair bonding and virginity shows that women are loyal when they marry and lose their virginity to the same guy. Men I am not sure. I think it is wrong though for a stable society. Doing something forever is not an argument, we have raped for thousands of years.
Because it's against men and I'm a man. Rights are earned, not given. Women clearly have not earned those rights.
It's not all men that sleeps around, it is/was one man who sleeps/slept with hundred women, which is basically the same thing you are promoting.
>War rape is safe
Kek
Often they were wived and fed and clothed. Much better than being dead, little changes. Loyal women commit suicide though.
> What's so appealing about going through labour 5 times, when you can just do 1 or 2 times?
> You don't need 5+ kids
Demographic winter, here we go.
> why wouldn't you want women working?
Interdependence leads to stronger family / clans, which leads to less crime. Also, supply and demand means we all work for less.
> also, if you discourage them from working, then whos going to do the nursing, cleaning, modelling and other jobs?
Men.
> I think ''traditional roles'' are the thing that have causes divide and conquer between men and women by saying they're different, hence making women seem ''worthless to society, other than kids'' anyway.
Traditional roles are what WORKED because we ARE different. Women are precious, thus taken care of, thus don't need to be really competent and thus aren't competent.
> Why would feminism turn bother genders against each other?
Because women have an in-group preference, and men do not.
I really like this arrangement of letters.
When will you get through your fucking head that males and females are fundamentally different and thats a good thing? Both men and women have their strengths and short comings.
Ever hear of the saying "men are expandable and women are precious"?
Its because how many women can a single man impregnate in a 9 month period? How many times can a woman get pregnant in a 9 month period?
This is how it has worked since the beginning of time and as much as you feminists try to fight against nature you wont win instead you will only bring a quicker end to this era, which will result in a complete reset and stupid shit like feminism will be a non issue.
>filename
Also, not an argument.
There is a lot of ground to cover for a very simple question. The biggest dilemma is the reality than men actually do not want to work, most people are not capable of holding high prestige positions, and most men do not enjoy the positions they are qualified to occupy.
So, with this in mind
>Confidence to work
Men do not work because of they're confident in their abilities, they work because they're forced to obtain any sort of stability or status.
To put women in this situation has not only changed this reality, but also essentially created more misery by forcing previous non-workers to hold their self esteem to their economic position.
>To look after themselves
In what sense did they not look after themselves before?
>Give them higher goals to achieve
Why does this matter? How can you quantify it? The vast majority of persons will never achieve a high prestige position, to say that girls can be president while 10 women are now forced into retail or low status work doesn't quite balance. I would trade my ability to run for president right now for 50 dollars.
>Freedom to go on vacation
What is a vacation? If you didn't work before, what difference does it make? Why not just have holiday?
>Why do women need to be trapped in a bubble
The gender schism is bullshit in the west. To think of being a homemaker as being trapped is in itself simply grass is greener on the other side delusions.
>Women in the work force
So, about 37% of the work force at current in the US is women. That is 37% more workers, realistically 20% more because women always were employed to some degree. Wages as a value are valued against time, replace-ability, and added value.
1/2
>Much better than being dead
War raped =/= war survived, bucko