Help them guys

>WASHINGTON — Venezuela sits atop the world’s largest oil reserves and its crisis isn't likely to reach Syrian levels. Nevertheless, people are leaving. First, it was the country’s professionals and economically comfortable. Now, even the poor and middle class are pulling up stakes as the economy’s tailspin deepens.

>In recent months more than 30,000 Venezuelans have crossed the border into Brazil’s Roraima state – and stayed, straining local services. Countries from Colombia and Chile to the United States are reporting a surge in arrivals of migrants and asylum seekers from Venezuela’s middle and working classes.

>The humanitarian dimensions of the nation’s crisis and its growing regional impact are spurring Venezuela’s neighbors, including the US, to be more active in pressing for a resolution of the country’s deep political and economic woes, many regional experts say.

csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2016/1102/Why-time-is-ripe-for-US-to-address-Venezuela-s-mess

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youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOUE6yB6Jg
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

build it

THIS

We did address the mess.

I think the general consensus was "Marxism is a failure."

time to send them money i guess......

it will get worse than syria

they will run out of food and fuel and start starving

30M people there....

already did desu, it's a fucking shitshow

parts of it are mad max irl

send bernie to fix it

>30,000 Venezuelans have crossed the border into Brazil’s Roraima state – and stayed, straining local services

Come on Brazil, they are on your turf, don't be a cuck. You know what to do.

They get what they deserve

>“We are looking at something catastrophic for Venezuela,” from both economic and humanitarian perspectives, says Patrick Duddy, a former US ambassador to Venezuela. “As this becomes a real hazard for Colombia, but also for Brazil,” the realization is growing that “we’re going to have to double down on regional diplomacy,” adds Mr. Duddy, who is now director of the Center for Latin American and Caribbean Studies at Duke University in Durham, N.C.

>A Vatican-brokered dialogue between the government and some opposition parties got off to a modest start Sunday, with the two sides agreeing to create working groups to take up topics such as the economy, respect for the rule of law, and human rights.

bad signal, this cuck loves retards like maduro

>The opposition, buoyed by a landslide victory in elections last year that gave it control of the National Assembly, has been pressing for a recall vote against Maduro. But both sides agreed to “diminish the aggressive tone” of language employed in the political debate, a Vatican representative said in a post-dialogue statement. On Tuesday, the government released a handful of what the opposition says are hundreds of political prisoners.

desu he won by 50.6%, and the electronic voting machines he used are known to be unsafe. Bet the cunt cheated. The poor fags who saw how far they were going to shit are getting fucked over because of around only 200k votes.

south american women are pretty hot though desu, and they're mostly catholic.

i would support offering refugee status to THIC venzualen women between ages 15-25

>"Sure we'll help you, just surrender your sovereignty to the US along with your oil and we'll make sure you can buy all the burgers and Playstations you will ever want."
>t. Trump

How would liberals react?

>help them guys
aka keep paying to fix the rest of world, and suffer backlash when somebody somewhere doesn't like it.

how much until complete collapse and flood of "refugees"? i really don´t think we are now were near prepared for this.

now this guy knows what he's talking about
>Still, some analysts – citing years of similar “dialogues” that got nowhere – caution that Maduro may simply be stalling for time as he pursues Venezuela’s transition to a socialist, state-run economy. From the perspective of some analysts, Venezuela’s collapse is not so much the result of a political standoff as it is the product of Maduro’s inept and repressive pursuit of the socialist project envisioned by Maduro’s predecessor personal mentor, the late Hugo Chávez.

>“Venezuela didn’t commit suicide – it was murdered,” said Roger Noriega, a former assistant secretary of State for Western Hemisphere affairs, speaking last week at a Council on Foreign Relations Forum on Venezuela.

...

>“The economic humanitarian collapse is going to happen if we don’t take a much more forceful position,” he said at the Washington forum. “We can either save Maduro, or we can help Venezuela,” said Noriega, now at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. “It’s a binary choice.”

this says 30000 went to Brazil, I saw some places saying ups to 60, 120 thousand went to Colombia. Others went to Curaçao, Chile, the US.

And this is ignoring all these guys who had already left en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_diaspora, over 1 million

NOT REAL SOCIALISM

I work for a university consultation firm (Industrial Organizational BS, you know the routine) and they've been contacting us non-stop freaking out in how to set everything up for these Venezuelans that are applying en masse to them and if they should bother since it'd be hard to distinguish a normal one from someone that's just using them as a middleman to get out of their country.

>the US, to be more active in pressing for a resolution of the country’s deep political and economic woes
How fucking convenient. They created the problem and it's oil sands bty OP not the same thing. And what is the point in your post?

>Opportune timing?

>The time may be ripe for more outside involvement. A number of leftist Latin American leaders friendly to the Chávez project have been voted out and replaced with less ideological governments, while the decades-old guerrilla war in Colombia next door has been all but resolved.

>“Conditions have never been better for us to partner with a certain number of countries and develop a regional response,” Noriega says.

>Diplomatic efforts with a wary Maduro won’t be easy, says Duke University’s Duddy, who as ambassador was expelled by Chávez in 2008 before returning to serve until 2010. For example, the socialist leader has “rejected any possibility of working with” international financial institutions to develop a plan for stabilizing the country’s seemingly doomed economy.

>But with the growing potential for Venezuela’s long crisis to become a larger regional challenge, Duddy says the US and Latin neighbors have new incentives for diplomatic efforts to pull Venezuela back from the brink.

It really is now or never.

The bad part is that in Venezuela, unlike in other countries around here, the army is pro-commie and completely on Maduro's pocket. He also has basically paramilitaries, gangs and guerrillas helping him, a major cunt

>WAAAAAAAAAAA HELP US CAPITALISM

>>“Venezuela didn’t commit suicide – it was murdered,”

it sure was

>Venezuela, unlike in other countries around here, the army is pro-commie and completely on Maduro's pocket. He also has basically paramilitaries, gangs and guerrillas helping him, a major cunt

Why not just invade the shithole and topple down its commie goverment? Since so many people are fleeing, It think civilians would approve an outside intervention.

Purge their military and let a new, right-leaning government into power, aligned with the other powers in the region.

Come on Brazil, be the big man.

really? nobody saw this coming?

the collapse of venezuela is/was supposed to be the "refugee crisis" of the new world.

...

I thought Brazil was the big up and coming power, hue? Sounds like your problem, ot ours.
Hurry up start fixing your shit .

>Down with capitalism, communism is the best, it's the government for the people!
>C-Capitalism pls help

The article only mentions diplomacy. Sending Maduro money would solve nothing. The problem is the government

it's even better, it's "NOT REAL DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM" even though the socialist party got elected and implemented socialism

yeah sure, he masterminded the end of venezuela with 5d chess during his 6 years in office 60 years ago

one thing they bought was a better military, also everyone around the country is too broke for this shit. Geography also constrains Brazil to act there, and other countries too.

It's hard to think what happens when even the military is shit.

Also he still has around 20% of completely fanatical chavistas supporting him. These leftists in latin america can be absolutely braindead and insane.

btw we're officially non-interventionism by our constitution, and everyone here (south america) has been bitching about "muh interventions" for years so no one wants to do shit. They're only starting to care since it's causing problems to the rest of us

I see nothing there that shows why it is ripe for the US to address that mess.

are they going to pay us back for the companies they stole?

you don't smell the opportunity amerikike? doesn't your circumcised willy grow at the idea of economically exploiting some spics like the good old days?

i agree, usa shouldnt have any part in this, i dont want those fucking niggers fucking shit up around

brazil should act like a leader and a regional power for once

We all saw this coming, but all the countries were ruled by their allies, we're all officially non-interventionist and don't give a fuck as long as the problems stay there and the media actually shilled for him until very recently.

Now they say the problem is "instability" due to the legislative and executive being opponents, or "corruption" and stuff. A few are growing more honest and blaming the government's policies, but some are still shilling.

While in the US and normal countries people were already calling the regime authoritarian and dictatorial we were still being called conspiracy theorists for criticizing it

No one will intervene militarily. It's all about Diplomacy right now.

The US, Brazil, Argentina and Chile have been the people organizing this diplomatical shit for years.

Venezuela will be a smoking hole by 2040 as revenge for sheltering Assange. The idea is being normalised with this.

Why don't thr Venezuelan people rise up and revolt against their shitty commie government? Its not like the CIA wouldn't hand out AR-15s with glee.

There's some venezuelan anons that usually come here. You there guys? Any updates?

i think is too late brazilBro.

>yeah sure, he masterminded the end of venezuela with 5d chess during his 6 years in office 60 years ago

stupid retarded monkey
you dont know shit about venezuela and make threads about it

he led venezuela into a golden age, then got couped by his own army, who a few years later mingled with commies. this was way before chavez even came into power

Can confirm

> Spend 40 years hating on capitalist pig dog americans
> One (1) oil downturn.
> PWEASE MISTA IM JUST A WITTWE GIRW SAVE ME CAPITALISM-SAN!

TOP
KEK.

Have fun with the coming diseases after you ate all your cats and dogs.

Do nothing

The moment the US gets involved commies and socialist all over the world will go "SEE IT WAS AMERICAS FAULT VENEZUALA WENT TO SHIT SOCIALISM NEEDS TO BE TRIED AGAIN"

They're protesting in the streets, but if you mean it by "why don't they take up arms and fuck shit up" than they don't really have them, except for criminals of course. And since the armed forces are largely with the regime (a very based general was arrested, for ex, and no one helped), they would have little chances unless someone betrayed the president.

Also the Judiciary is completely controlled by Maduro, that's why the legislative isn't able to just impeach or recall him easily. They cheat a lot

>60 years ago
>way before
I agreed faggot. Thought you were one of the basic bitches here that blames every single thing on "muh military interventions, muh usa imperialism"

It's not just the oil, the government is actively going faster with their socialist policies and price controls and fucking shit up

Btw the article was about diplomacy, no one is offering them any money or military help. The government even refuses to try to prove they're not batshit insane to any outside institution

>implying this won't happen anyway

I believe they experience regular power outages and manyof their telecoms are on the verge of collapse if they haven't already.

Their government wont have to block access to places like this. Nobody can hardly get on the Internet.

>don't help taiwan
>help our commie friends! xD

I fucking hate atlanticists so much

there's still a lot of venezuelans on twitter, the outages are not 24/7

The venezuelans online are turning very anti-communist, anti-Cuba and right-wing though. At least some people don't support this shit anymore. It's helping to redpill some more uninformed people in Brazil too

Venezuelan here, fled that shithole after the 2002 coup.
Last big news is that commie "president" Maduro suspended the 100 bolivares bill, which is the largest denomination of the currency.
Apart from that the fuckers devalued the currency again. Someone please invade us already.

Fuck me, i hope they don't start coming here, we have enough with haitians and congolombians

Btw guys take a look at this.

See how regime supporters are going batshit insane csmonitor.com/Photo-Galleries/In-Pictures/Venezuela-after-Chavez

This cult of personality is North Korea-lite

the article says you're already experiencing an increase in venezuelans moving there chilebro, too late

are the people leaving your country woke or are there some retards that still insist PSUV dindu nuffing and the problem is muh yankees?

Brazilbro, most of the people that fled ago were middle-class oil workers. This was after the were fired for striking against the regime. Most of us are right-wing and hate the fuck out of commies.

usa should still stay the fuck out

they dont belong here, lest they pretend we're still under manifest destiny

theres nothing USA has to do here, not evne diplomatic pressure, or it sets a precedent for other countries. this needs to be sorted out in-house

I'm starting to think a gun and lots of ammo might be solely needed for every citizen and soon. The situation resulting around the world is not getting any better nor stabilizing, it's getting from bad to worse and it'll soon get ugly.

Everyone stock up, this is gonna hit hard and everyone will be affected.

why the fuck is it always our problem?

the ones fleeing now look poor to me, do you think they're woke or is all of this shit not enough for them?

Why dont we invade and remove Maduro? best army in latin america, in the meantime to the invasion we organize a coup d'état to remove our corrupt politicians

We tried to address it. They chose their fate.

Just send weapons to an opposition group. A group of "contras"...

>implying this won't happen anyway
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

At least if we don't help them a tens of thousands of commies will starve. I argue that prevention of these ideas is the more humanitarian thing to do.

Is this a good time for disaster tourism? I want to take pictures of people in Chavez t-shirts fighting over diapers, etc.

Most of the people in Venezuela are woke to the Maduro's lies. Even the poor ones. Those have it the worst. The only chavistas left(commies) are what we call "enchufados", people with political connections to the government. They support it in exchange for gibsmedats. They are a minority though.

Is this how the US has gotten to where it is today?
Pretend it has no problems while it attends to other countries?

this has been your policy for many years now, and is not like the US didn't deal with Venezuela before either. Also russian and cuban influence is growing and it's US policy to keep the western hemisphere free of foreign powers

with what money bro? we broke and half our military's equipment is broke too

It depends, do you like having your organs sold in the black market?

well at least this, then. Too bad the opposition is cucked too

Invade us please.

many regional experts say. who?

Do you see the pope's little show leading to any good outcome bro? Is there a political solution.

It sounds like what the people of Venezuela really need is giant animatronic Hugo Chavez.

they only mentioned Noriega. Who knows. Media loves this "experts say" stuff

No one can save us

Socialism works so well that it drives people to leave.

I 100% agree it must be made painfully clear communism/socialism doesn't work at all certainly not in this context. The problem is these people are fanatical when it comes to this ideology, so much so it's become a religion.

It likes it's followers need to die out, otherwise they will keep re-enacting it within which ever host country they've taken up residence in. Leave it to the Jews to make a sort of mental Jewry, for the all the non-chosen people.

Haha no. That was completely worthless, huge waste of time. Either somebody takes Maduro out by force or he stays here forever, just like Chavez.

We can do it bro, at the first shot they will surrender, what army would fight for a government that is starving his own people to death?

Absolutely true. The opposition are a bunch of faggots who fucked their opportunity in order to suck the pope's balls. The one guy who had the balls to fight against Maduro is now in jail. Please invade, any one wants free oil?

Your broke, your military equipment is broke, there is just cause for a war, too much of your country is unemployed ...

If someone kills Maduro, would there be a civil war?

Also why is your murder rate so high?

>US senses easy play for oil
>"Time to spread DEMOCRACY, guys!"
USA USA USA

just one more regime change scam

My sister is friends with some enchufados and they said everybody in the oposition is also an enchufado. I believe it, it really feels like they don't care at all either and are just doing this for show.

No matter what happens in Venezuela just remember that capitalism is to blame.

Look at what is happening there. No point to invade when they are fucking themselves already

that guy is from a very rare scandinavian ethnicity

Verga paisano estamos jodidos. USA where's my regime change?

Probably not, people here don't want to do anything.

Why is the murder rate in Detroit so high? Same reason.

Would Venezuelan army resist in case of a brazilian invasion to remove him? he pretty much committed crimes against humanity starving people for power.

Plenty of armies desu. That's how every bad regime survives. We never really had any wars in Venezuelan terrain, so that's a negative for us, and I don't remember us fighting in any large urban context before (last time we had urban combat was WW2 and those were small villages). We do have experience with urbna fighting, but that's in favelas and in a law and order context, not conquest.
Have you ever seen any realistic article talking about a scenario were we invade? It could probably be done, but would fuck our economy even more and it'd take a long time, methinks.
If anything happens, militarily, it'll be like they do in Africa, a large mission with armies from several countries (and likely US support). That's why we support shit like Unasul anyway

Can you see any signs that the military might turn on him? Any aspiring cadet wanting to stage his own revolution?

The country has no law and order anymore. It was already bad before, but now people don't even have food.

I just found some cucked US websites saying their problem was not socialism, but US imperialism.

Holy fuck I hate western champagne socialists even more than bolivarians

>Why is the murder rate in Detroit so high? Same reason.
Niggers?

Sami. His religion is also Sami shamanism.

O I did not know you had them there

Do you have whites?

Just found out reading some defense-focused websites that Venezuela put missiles near their border with us and guyana in 2015.

They're ready

Gochos did a lot but it was a waste of time, big cities are full of niggers that support the comandante

THE AVATAR MOVIE PREDICTED AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT IN VENEZUELA

HERES MY GETS TO PROVE IT

Nah you're good they're fucking incompetent.

Maybe if you give them more gibsmes than Maduro.

Yes, non-whites.

Help?
You mean like take up some donations and send CF down there to steal thier children?

Okay

Honestly m8, I feel like it's far too deeply ingrained within western culture. We got to start thinking like the roman empire and balkanize or something.

We just need to hold off long enough until we can live in space or terraform other planets and escape the Jewry.

America's oil wars are not designed to consume the oil, but to stabilize the market. Very little of Iraq's oil has reached the market. Our oil execs hated Saddam because he did the opposite of whatever they wanted. He did everything he could to destabilize the price of oil. Right now there's too much production, the price is too low. With recent fracking technology America itself is now a net exporter, but only if the price is high, otherwise it's not worth our time to frack. OPEC recently agreed to limit production, which is good for US. Chavez and Maduro have actually done the US a favor since 1999, by letting infrastructure fall apart, less Venezuelan oil reaches the market. We actually don't want Venezuela's oil to reach the market.

Yes but we're a minority.

>tfw too intelligent for toilet paper

>AOS MÃOS PRA CIMA
>CINTURA SOLTA
>SOU DO LEVANTE
>TO
>COM
>MADURO!

youtube.com/watch?v=ZlOUE6yB6Jg

if they're worried about markets why don't they invade saudi arabia, they caused the destabilization?

so much bs