>Antisemitism now illegal in Britain: Theresa May confirms at PMQs today that the guidelines below will now become OFFICIAL government policy for policing hate speech gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism
>>Antisemitism now illegal in Britain: Theresa May confirms at PMQs today that the guidelines below will now become OFFICIAL government policy for policing hate speech >gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism
So, this pic is illegal there?
Leo Davis
Yes
Carson Lee
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Adrian Johnson
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Eli Clark
>There are people on Sup Forums RIGHT now who prefer Heathen Sand People to good fashy Celtic Homosexuals Gas the Anglo
As if its wrong to listen to what people want? shouldn't being a "populist" be the default position for politicians in a democratic society?
Easton Perez
(((people)))
Jayden Mitchell
I suppose that one could make an argument that "populism" focuses on satisfying wishes that are too short-term, but that's never the argument that I hear people actually making. Usually, "populism" is just democracy as described by people who don't really like democracy. Or people who don't like how democracy is going, because they're finally getting voted out of office.
Mason Robinson
>remembrance day >no-one at work except me remembers to wear the poppy and take a 2 minute silence >christmas jumper day >everyone wearing christmas jumpers except me >"user where's your jumper, you didn't forget did you?" areyoufuckingkiddingme.png
Zachary Kelly
I feel like the implication is that the plebs are too stupid to actually know what the REAL ISSUES are and only the elite, or liberal minority really know whats going on.
When people call Farage and Trump populists i feel like they are just admitting they don't think very highly of the common man.
Evan Diaz
>Len McCluskey defies Jeremy Corbyn to call for end to free movement of labour
Is he, dare I say it, /ourguy/?
Logan Harris
Populism comes closer to pandering than to any genuine political conviction, at least that's my interpretation of it.
The only thing I hate more than neoliberal economics is the fact that it's turned society and politics into a management game - you don't try and convince the public of your point of view anymore, you just pander to their existing views, even though those views can be changed.
It's a bloody fool who holds the same views all his life, and it's a bloody fool that blithely agrees and marches to the orders of the first fool without actually sharing the same viewpoints.
Aaron Bennett
But surely being a populist is the harder thing to do by far nowadays.
It's much easier to just go along with the established order because as we've seen that's all politicians have done for the past 30 years.
I don't think being a populist means not holding any genuine convictions, I mean everyone who is called a populist nowadays are people who are on tape 20-30 years back saying the exact same thing.
Trump and Farage have been saying the same thing for 30 years, it's just finally caught on, does that make it populism?
Aaron Gomez
Redpill me on Guernsey. Is it based?
Joseph King
>the nonce supports ISIS
shock
Christian Smith
Populism isn't just making your political position as "whatever the people want", it's based around the fact that there's a current class of establishment that are actively ignoring what the people want and acting in their own interests. See: the European Union
There's helping the people by somewhat ignoring them, like cutting welfare spending - and then there's ignoring them and not helping them either - which populism fights against
Asher Myers
They have £1 notes and some nice beaches. That's all I can remember tbqh...
Aiden Brown
Poofs off the roofs
Robert Flores
>Len McCluskey >Lenin McTrotsky
SOCIAL NATIONALISM WHEN?
Owen Powell
Why 1£ notes?
Josiah Young
JEWS
Joseph Richardson
Fuck knows. That's literally the only thing I can remember about the time I went there. Also they have a German occupation museum, or some sort of war museum iirc.
can someone please explain to me why this total unforgivable cuck is a member of UKIP?
Angel Perry
>and then there's ignoring them and not helping them either - which populism fights against
The issue is that popularism creates a bland grey area of center leaning politicians with no real convictions.
The electorate may vote in a conservative government because they wish to see more free market econimics, but they end up with a Heath instead of a Thatcher more than willing to sell out his parties beliefs in order to pander to all areas of the Electorate.
You vote for black or white but get grey, that is popularism.
Hunter Rodriguez
I'd like to think he dreams about his youth. About that girl he fancied. How happy they could've been together. How he comes back from school to his parents' house for a hot meal and mother's smile.
And then he wakes up to this shithole. No wonder he looks so pissed all the time.
James Turner
>one thing is to show we value life and remember when life ends >the other is brainwashing by consumer culture to sell more shit to boost the monetary parasite >its easier in this society to subliminally/memetically convince people to buy something unnecessary that they dont actually like (hurrdurr i was just pretending to be retarded XD chuching!!£$£$) than it is to have awareness of death and its immense impact
>You vote for black or white but get grey, that is popularism.
I think that's the classical definition, where it's a "catch-all" movement, but today I think it become more of a protest movement for when you vote black but get white.
Luis Gutierrez
>But surely being a populist is the harder thing to do by far nowadays. I don't know about nowadays, but certainly until very recently.
Having woken up slightly more, I'm going to retract the bit about genuine conviction, or at least modify it. I would say it comes closer to a style that - while not necessarily lacking conviction, definitely leans on credulity a bit.
I think the primary thing is that Populism gets a bit demagogic. Stylistically, you've got say Farage, Trump, or in Scotland for a recent history example, Salmond who are quite personally popular and who appeal to personal like of themselves to seek power as representatives of the average person. (Salmond is actually an amusing example: In 2007 the SNP stood on the second ballot paper as "Alex Salmond for First Minister" because his personal popularity was much higher than that of the party itself.)
I guess I'm trying to say populism isn't really about the mass of people at all. They're only relevant so much as they like the leadership figure personally (Perhaps on the very inversion of what I said in the first post, they lead opinion as much as they create it, though with Farage there's some interplay between the press laying the groundwork for anti-EU sentiment and his own anti-EU views.) and vote for that figure.
>Trump and Farage have been saying the same thing for 30 years, it's just finally caught on, does that make it populism? Farage might have been. Trump only in the most generous interpretations. He was after all a registered democrat for long enough.
Nicholas Ortiz
>it's based around the fact that there's a current class of establishment that are actively ignoring what the people want and acting in their own interests. Building on that, I'd raise another "problem" that occurs with populism is that it often creates a new elite (or acts as a front for an internal dispute within the elite) in the end.
(For clarity, I voted for UKIP and for Brexit) for example with the EU, Blair was not without pertinence when he said the vote wasn't about the people versus the elite, but about two sets of elites. It's worth remembering that - for example - most of the press were in favour of leaving.
Now, that doesn't make leaving bad or anything, but it does hole the general viewpoint that it was all about common people rising up against the elite, instead of just picking a side.
Caleb Diaz
I won't say for most people, but for a substantial minority a poppy is just a way to virtue-signal instead of to remember.
Highlights include: >Grayling sent Liu flying and his bicycle crashing into a lamppost, leaving him dazed and bruised on the pavement. Liu said his bike sustained a damaged wheel, brakes, mudguard and lost its lights.
>Liu said he was in shock and became aware of the pain later. “One thing he did say was that I was cycling too fast, which was not true,” Liu said. “That made me really upset. He made out it was my fault.”
>Footage shows Grayling was accompanied by his fellow transport minister Paul Maynard, who left the scene, while Simon Jones, a former Conservative parliamentary candidate and now special adviser to Grayling, is seen watching the scene unfold as he puts his identity badge in his jacket pocket.
(pic unrelated)
Jordan Miller
Not your guy but, the Sun, Express, Mail, Telegraph all seemed pretty much pro brexit to me. The Star probably was too but their front page is mostly some Chav lady from a reality tv show in slutty undies and crowing about how they're better than the Sun (which is still like being the tallest dwarf).
Bentley Nelson
The Sun (EH MY GOD) The Daily Mail The Daily Telegraph The Sunday Times The Sunday Telegraph The Daily Express
Furthermore if you trust Oxford University, in a study they found that 45% of all articles were pro-leave against only 27% pro-Remain.
Brandon Hernandez
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Juan Baker
We used to have £1 notes. You know?
Daniel Scott
>posting anime >voting UKIP >voting
Easton Morgan
To be fair Oxford Academics (and I studied there I know them) believe anything that isn't emphatically pro-EU is pro-Leave. there's a different standard.
There was a large amount of press behind Leave but they only got behind it in the very late stages (last couple weeks) because they could tell Leave was up in the polls and they can tap the reader base better than anyone. There's nobody more in touch with wider Britain than The Sun. They've backed the right party in elections/referendums EVERY TIME since the 70s. They know what they're doing and the others do too. It's not so much of a the media backed it so it won as it was, it was going to win so the media backed it.
Ryan Kelly
>the Sun
The what?
Jayden Thomas
Those mean conservatives! They can't do that! That man they're throwing is gay with a black adopted child! Xey are going to be very oppressed when xe hears about this!
Luis Rivera
To be fair, even before that a good bit of the press was laying the groundwork. It's no surprise the Daily Mail and Sun came out for leaving, for example. (Though The Sunday Mail backing remain was... odd.)
The sun being the most visible example. I have a feeling even if they felt leave was going to lose, if it was a narrow loss they'd have made the editorial decision to back it.
Jonathan Flores
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Nathan Bailey
fucking hippies
Isaac Cox
You can have that feeling all you want but The Sun panders and as I said it's backed the right party (emphatically) since the 70s in every general election and the referendums or other votes that it has backed a candidate in, it's backed the right one. It's the best opinion polling method out there they have their heart on the pulse of working Britain and I believe the other papers were the same. They didn't piggy back leave to push their own agenda, they piggy backed it to pander to their readers.
Also the main reason there were more pro-Leave articles? Maybe, just maybe it's because there are more valid anti-remain scandals/issues/controversies to talk about?
Hudson Reed
>They didn't piggy back leave to push their own agenda, they piggy backed it to pander to their readers. It doesn't have to be an either/or scenario. The Sun isn't without an agenda, and their Euroscepticism goes back a long way.
A Turkic creates Brit/pol/. That's funny. I guess Muslims are already creating Brit/pol/s.
Nathan Nguyen
Oh, also, if we're including regional versions...
Owen Cox
go back subhuman cockhole your ma a whore your dad a cuck your uni a shit
Brandon Jackson
I do not find it a coincidence that they have backed the right election for so long. I do not believe BREXIT was an anomaly and I do believe they will sacrifice agenda for pandering. It's obvious to me they backed it because of the national sentiment because they waited SO LONG to do so. It may be in line with their historic euroscepticism but it wasn't the reason they back BREXIT or any other election.
Asher White
>Scotland >Counting
Dylan Barnes
So not the majority then?
Easton Morales
go back, a Turkic subhuman
Jacob Gray
The majority of papers that matter and I'm willing to bet the majority of circulation. The Crosby Herald with a readership of 5 can get to fuck.
Joshua Baker
Why does tv news media (and by extension internet news media) get ignored though? What about Sky news, the BBC, Channel 4 etc? They were firmly in the remain camp.
Logan Jones
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Robert Ward
There's a reason I said press and not media.
Primarily because TV news follows the agenda set by the papers, and the majority of internet media just follows print trends. (The Mail Online, IIRC, is one of the most popular news sources in the country.)
It's worth remembering what the initial point of the example was - to demonstrate that a portion of the media establishment backed leave. Even if the majority were against, it still demonstrates that it was hardly a commoner uprising.
Even if we assume they were only chasing readership trends, for them to consider that instead of fighting to the death demonstrates that the establishment believe they can survive Brexit. In reality, many actively wanted it. They might not have been the majority, but they were a portion, which is the important thing.
Justin White
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Jordan Brooks
On my way to Dublin for a boozer lads.
Merry Christmas.
Lincoln Ross
damn....
Connor Young
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Jace Campbell
>most of the press were in favour of leaving
This is what you said earlier. So you're already backing down from this? The implication that most people read tabloids for reasons other than celebrity gossip is bollocks also. Any serious media outlet other than the Telegraph backed remain. Anyway the relevance of the media to our politics has never been lower.
> it was hardly a commoner uprising
Yet leave voters tended to be from more economically disadvantaged parts of the country. The fact that the vast majority of constituencies backed leave being completely at odds with their MPs stated voting intentions is another example of leave not being an 'establishment' position. There has literally been a cross party consensus in regards to support for the EU for decades. Brown is the only former PM not trying to actively reverse the result ffs.
Justin Brooks
>So you're already backing down from this? No. Like I said: "Press" not "Media"
I'm going to remind you I voted for Brexit and UKIP. If you want to ignore any nuance and pretend that absolutely no elites backed Brexit whatsoever then that's fine. Go ahead. If you want to ignore that the establishment can be split on a position, go ahead.
>There has literally been a cross party consensus in regards to support for the EU for decades We only got an EU referendum to prevent more Conservative defections to UKIP. (Unlike what remoaners say, this doesn't undermine the result, but it's important to remember David "Heir to Blair" Cameron didn't think he'd have to deliver on his promise and has now ignominiously fucked off.) The Conservatives were split internally even if they maintained their pro-EU position on paper.
Jason Lopez
What is the difference between 6,000,000 innocent Jews burned in the Nazi ovens and 6,000,000 bread rolls burned by clumsy bakers each year?
>We only got an EU referendum to prevent more Conservative defections to UKIP
Don't get this argument, we got an EU referendum because Euroskepticism was reaching boiling point and the Tories were reaching out to those people by saying "vote for us and you can have a referendum". The people wanted a referedum, and rightly so, turnout was the highest ever and the anti-status-quo side won
