Explain yourselves Sup Forums

>Sup Forums says illegal immigrants bring down the wages for working American people
>Sup Forums also says those fighting for 15$ minimum wages are idiots

hhmmm, really releases a mixture of thoughts in my cranium

What would happen to the less rich companies if the minimum wage were 15$?

my point is that Sup Forums complains that immigrants lower the wages of citizens, but then say that those citizens who want a higher wage are seen as idiots

There are other wages than the minimum wage. You could make 23 dollars an hour, or 17 dollars an hour, or 32 dollars an hour. All the numbers that there are, really.

correct, but illegal immigrants tend to have minimum wage jobs

I once saw someone on Sup Forums say that asians have sideways vaginas. kys

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all, fag

They don't "bring down wages" they work for less than minimum wage illegally, taking jobs from American citizens.

Your wages don't go down when the price of your labor drops below the minimum wage, you just lose your job.

Wrong, illegal immigrants get paid less than minimum wage, illegally and evading taxes.
This is why entitled American employers complain that if they actually had to hire American citizens they would lose money.

>making the economy less competitive because employers can just employ third worlders willing to work for fuck all, whereas americans won't do that and make the job/wage market more competitive and drive wages up

vs

>forcing a 15$ min wage

if you can't tell the difference learn some econ nerd

>being don't like wages being brought down by importing cheap labor
>so they should support artificially inflating the wages to punish small businesses, drive manufacturing jobs overseas and cause inflation
Really makes me think.

laissez faire, you pinko hippy

no Sup Forums says that illegals steal jobs from americans because construction and landscaping was done by americans just 16 years ago

and that illegals are sending billions a year back to mexico which wont circulate in our own economy which hurts gdp growth and as a result decreases how much money the government can mint without devaluing it which make it harder to balance the budget

AND many illegals are part of the cartel through direct or indirect support of the drug and human trafficking market. even if they arent legit members if you kidnap white bitches in southern cali and sell them to cartel you may as well be cartel

that last note is something mostly only people in cali know because liberal faggots defend obama cuz hes black. its why its been turning red district by district and when the beaners are gone its 4/5 red

this is a good thread

>Sup Forums is one person
>national socialists? no

Why don't you just raise the minimum wage to $1000/h and make everyone as rich as the top 1%?

Sounds retarded? Yeah. So does $15/h.

>Sup Forums says
Nope.
The whole ''they drive our wages down'' is a civic nationalist cuckservative position.

It's kind of like how conservatives say they don't want Muslims in white countries because they are anti-gay.
It's just a bullshit excuse.

The reason I don't want illegal immigrants in white countries is because they're not white.
That's my main concern.
I don't care about illegals driving down wages. They have to go back. If importing millions of Somalis actually made the minimum wage go up, guess what, they have to go back.

The whole wage argument comes from cowards who refuse to address the actual problems they have with immigrants and illegal immigrants.

>>making the economy less competitive because employers can just employ third worlders willing to work for fuck all, whereas americans won't do that and make the job/wage market more competitive and drive wages up
what are you smoking? Mexicans harvest grapes and wash dishes and in return you get cheaper food

for all I know Sup Forums is run by one person in the CIA posting everything to catalog all my thoughts and ideologies

In return you get a 60% white population that's shrinking rapidly.

>hurr durr $5.00 = $9.00 = $15.00

I minimum wage should be $9.00 an hour. the amount these illegal immigrants work for is fucking atrocious. $15.00 minimum wage is fucking ridiculous.

rising minimum wage will just result in more americans getting fired because their bosses cant afford as much staff as they could you stupid nigger

And you're a retard for thinking that expressing yourself like that will change anything, gradual steps my friend

The labor markets are innuendo by supply and demand. Illegal immigrants are willing to be paid less and work in worse conditions.
Thay means riveting gets paid less and works in worse conditions.
Either way the american worker typically demands between 7.50 and 15 dollars per hour of labor, depending on the skill level and comfort rating of the job.
Now somebody demands that the price floor be raised to $15 per hour. The immediate response from the business sector is to cut jobs and increase the amount of effort and skill demanded from each worker.
Or they could hore people to illegally work for less than minimum wage.
They will also attempt to save cost and boost productivity by investjng jn labor saving technology, which will make goods more affordable in terms of real dollars.

>I don't want them because they're not white

STORMWEENIES GET OFF MY BOARD

Oy vey, let's just import millions of Asians because they make more money.
Why do we even need white people? Just castrate all of them and replace whites with Asians.

Oy vey.
Is that what you want?
Economy is everything, after all. Economy is all that matters. Fuck ethics, fuck standards, fuck race, fuck everything. Let's just make more money. :DDDD

Our way raises the wage to 15 dollars and kicks out the immigrants at the same time.

Their way never raises it to 15. If you look at Bernie or any city/state that implements they say that by 2100, we will have 15 an hour guys!

With our way, as soon as the immigrants get kicked out, magically all of these places have to raise it. Much more effective.

no one is talking about letting hordes of non white immigrants in

No, no, you're so right.
There's nothing wrong with letting anyone come into America and work for as low of a wage as possible.
Nothing wrong with that. I agree.
Let them all go to America.
Let all of Mexico go to America.
Nothing wrong with that.

Don't like it? What are you, a stormWEENIE HAHAHA???

i came here to say this too

I have no problem with immigrants coming into the New World. The Old World is different. Also obviously don't let in millions of them, heavy restrictions but still have immigration.

What do you mean ''heavy restriction'', bigot? Are you some sort of a stormweenie? Why can't they come in as much as they want? Why the restrictions?

You're a fucking racist. Get off Sup Forums.
Are you worried the immigrants might not speak the language and replace the demographics of the country?
Are you a nazi?

What the fuck?
You sound like Donald Drumpf.

It's because own a business where he needs to hire lots of short brown trolls that like to pretend they're either white or niggers depending on whether a football game is playing that day.

I find his disgusting opinions deeply problematic.
It's like he isn't ok with whites becoming a minority in the next 10 years.

It's time for the white race to go quietly into the night where they belong.

This sort of stormfront rhetoric should not be tolerated on Sup Forums - People Only Love

Poorer companies would go bankrupt, thus releasing unemployed into the market, increasing competition and lowering the wages.

The minimum wage is unemployment.

oh man, giving me the dukes. You found me out. Aren't I such a racist prick. There's a finite amount of space, also your wetdream of kicking out all the nonwhites in the New World are but just that, maybe you can do it in Yurop but this place is long gone.

Finally you understand it.
It's time to end the white race. Whites are no longer going to be the core of America in a few years, and that's a good thing. It means that the Nazis were not good at passing on their genes.
We must pay for the evils of our race, and our parting gift to the minorities will be the civilization we stole from them.

Enjoy what we left you, people of color.
This is so beautiful it's bringing a tear to my eye.
The world will be rid of the parasite that is the white male.

>Sup Forums says illegal immigrants bring down the wages for working American people
I just don't want shitskin spics polluting the gene pool or meme pool

IM GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS REALLY SLOW MY AMERICAN FRIEND. SIT BACK. HOLD ON.

raising the minimum wage is an artifical adjustment. In the long run it solves nothing. Raising labour wages passes the price of the higher wages on to the customer. Prices of goods rise to catch up. And then youre still poor. Yeah you make 16 an hour working at mc ds, but all of a sudden a big mac costs 10 dollars. In 5 years youll need to raise it again. And again. It doesnt solve anything.

NOW, follow me on this one, because its a doozy, you were never meant to live off of minimum wage. If everyone could make a living pumping gas or flipping burgers, THEN THATS WHAT EVERYONE WOULD DO. Those jobs are easy as fuck. I pumped gas when i was 16. I was a dumbass. And it was still easy. If i could get paid what i get paid now, pumping gas, i wouldve stayed there. My job right now is stressful as fuck. But it pays a lot of money. Cause not everyone wants to do it. Not everyone can.

For a society to work, there needs to be an equal trade of goods. Money represents this. Your single hour of pumping gas is not equivalent to my hour. IF it were, then everyone would just pump gas. And none of the important jobs would ever be finished. Society collaspes. Communist russia.

WE ARE AGAINST immigration because it drives down the cost of ALL labour. Jobs are limited. We want min wage jobs going to our children, not to some fucking spic who doesnt pay taxes and sends half the paycheck back home. Those spics are leeches. They drive down labour costs cause they work for nothing. And they can work for nothing because they dont pay taxes and live in a house with 10 other robertos.

We dont all want to live like that. Its not hard to understand. But since youre a Bum, the idea of raising minimum wage is appealing to you. So you justify it by saying "huurrr seee you guys want a higher min wage too!! You want to kick out immigrants!!" Even though those things arent related.

Shouldve stayed in school tyrone.

Besides these points, despite its technical definition laissez faire capitalism only realistically applies to the extent it doesn't break the law unless you're full ancap, which America and most Americans have never been.

>REALLY SLOW
Did you type slowly? How does this make sense?

>the american doesnt make it past the first sentence without being triggered

Well thought out reply, my friend.