What exactly will it take for Europe and the western world to collectively stand up and say enough is enough with Islam, and stop being so "tolerant"?
Clearly brutal murders, rapes, and blowing up twin towers doesn't phase the average westerner out of their haze of political correctness. What actually has to happen?
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A huge miracle.
Probably a sandy hook type shooting of European children by a Muslim
a disaster that would cause mass destruction. Something that would have to change the status quo IE mass extinction level event. Nuclear holocaust, mass unrest like south african level.
>what is Bataclan massacre
>what is Nice
>what is Berlin
>who are the countless 12-14 year old gang raped and some killed by Muslims
Nothing did wake the West up.
imagine a world without Sup Forums and social media. it'd be dystopian brain washing here
Sadly, a nuclear event. Even when hundreds of Parisians are getting slaughtered it isn't enough
Literally the moment americans use their guns to secure their freedoms. Europe needs a light, a trigger. People want and need to rip themselves out of the 'system', you can notice it when you talk to them (over here).
You got trump, we literally got merkel..
>tfw only have extremely bluepilled or even Antifa people around me, where you have to be careful about what you say
Vienna sucks.
>leaf
> collectively
We're not niggers. We'll get to it, stop pestering and for gods sake stop being controlled opposition with your ww2 larping.
This. American escalations would be the final wake up call
plenty niggas in the West are woke, but being awake doesn't remove your chains
Nothing, because it will never happen. Every year it will be the same: yearly quota for immigration filled, a few big terror incidents, some covered up crimes. People so disconnected from each other that they can't form any sort of coherent group structure. Companies will continue to try to maximize profit, pandering to all, getting rich off plebs for some shitty device they produce for 1/20th the cost which will be obsolete next year anyway.
The usual push for cheap foreign labor. Companies that do nothing at all skyrocketing in price purely because of belief that they'll make money, all started up by the usual suspects.
A dedicated group of individuals with enough mastery of the intellectual failings of the west to explain them to people, as well as a theory that explains the way in which diverse societies generally tend to degenerate into autocratic regime. This latter process is currently unfolding before our eyes in Europe and the US.
It also needs to be backed by an implied threat. Diversity is most definitely not strength, however the ways in which it is actually a weakness are not being exploited by people like us, which is a huge missed opportunity. We should have a clearer understanding of the ways in which diversity leads to social decay and promise to accelerate the process if we do not get what we want.
that pic is fucking good, source?
i think diversity is too ambiguous. racial diversity is iffy, but not necessarily destructive. cultural diversity on the other hand is a ticking bomb
every event pushes a percentage of the pop. to the right.
there will always be some cucks, but they will be in the insignificant minority.
Have you been to West Germany or Vienna? Cucks are the majority by a huge margin and can be pretty violent if you don't agree with them, because the law is not enforced if they are the perpetrators.
When I say diversity I mean ethno-cultural diversity, which is a complex phenomena within which race is included. But even race alone is somewhat problematic in virtue of the possibility of disparate impact, race based solidarity and the potential for actual racism. There's also the fact that, since race must necessarily correlate with the history of a given population (because, duh, race is transmitted genetically) then it must be the case that race is also correlated with differences in culture.
Let's use an example. Suppose for an instant that it was discovered, at some point, that blacks in leafistan earned on average less than whites. This, in and of itself, is almost enough to create an ethnic based conflict, as there is no reliable way to ascertain whether or not this difference is caused by racism or by some other factor. More importantly, whether or not this difference is actually caused by racism, the accusation that it is will always be plausible and be emotionally powerful enough that it may rally many, many blacks to the cause, in such a way that they will attack whites over their alleged -- and perhaps real -- racism.
In other words, multi racial situations are inherently socially less stable than mono racial ones. If you throw fairly sharp cultural differences into the mix, of course it gets worse, as it will then open the door to the development of stereotype, segregation, ethnic voting blocs, etc. None of those things are actually good, but all of these phenomena need to be identified, explained, possibly quantified and then, if useful, exploited.
I don't think whites are going to wake up until they start getting taxed the jizya by their own government which has been infiltrated by Muslims. London will probably be the first to fall.
Nothing will. This is all a lead-up to World War III which will mean nuclear war and mass extinction. The only alternatives are a 1984 police state or Islamic fascism. The opportunity to prevent any of this has long since passed. That ship has sailed.
There is not a single thing that can change the current course of the human race. White people and (actual) men are being forced out, because their entire evolution is in opposition to socialist ideals. A "small" group of people are manipulating the world through war, misinformation and appealing to minorities. They allow more and more non-white people, whether it be illegal Mexican immigrants, Muslim terrorists or African refugees, to breach their homes. The media doesn't report how they slaughter white people, but instead encourage they breed with them, which becomes more and more ingrained in them as they become more populous in their own homes. The media curbs reproduction even further by allowing mentally ill people to raise children and spread their anti-masculinity message. Eventually, all white people will be gone, save for the mentally ill, "domesticated" non-factors and the white families behind the push for a World Government. They will rule the world and enslave the human species with global socialism. Finally, every one will be equal.
1. Cities are left-wing/liberal everywhere in the world.
2. bit by bit the human psychology changes from events.
> A substantial 36 per cent of those surveyed by the Young Adult Survey in Switzerland admit to subscribing to far right views – a marked rise from five years ago. The survey, which assessed young people from 2006 until 2011 to see how their views changed over the years, found the number of youngsters who subscribed to the left went down from 41 percent down to 28 percent.
>to collectively stand up and say enough is enough
How would such occurance play out in reality?
(plz no bully, serious question)
>The only alternatives are a 1984 police state or Islamic fascism
These are the same things. Islam makes pronouncements as to what is obligatory both at a personal and social level, so that in so far as the state has the ability to control you so as to verify that you do things Islamically, it has license to do so.
Big Ahmed is gonna make sure you wake up at 4 am to do your prayer.
You would train people and "infiltrate" (it would be quite open) as many political organizations as you could.
You need a doctrine, that is to say a critic of current policies and attitudes, and then you need a more positive program. What needs to be criticized currently is pic related. The enlightenment myth is what subtends the totality of the western world at the moment.
A decade or two.
>These are the same things.
Yes, you are right. One version is an Islamic police state and the other is a secular/atheistic police state. Ultimately it is a fairly minor difference. The outcome is the same and neither version is good at all.
So a few more happenings and I am among the "I hated Muslims before it was cool" people?
Too good to believe Polan-kun, desu.
We live in an age of backwards thinking where words matter more than actions.
Muslims can carry on raping and killing people forever as long as they say it has nothing to do with them and they don't condone it.
All it would take for west to wake up to islam is for muslims to just openly say they condone murders rapes etc.
>being this unaware
do you realize how much money american companies make in the middle east?
With this much money being made thanks to investments in saudi arabia, iraq, pakistan, etc, we would never dare risk losing business there.
We wont make the same mistake in 1979 iran.
A lot of people are making a lot of money in the middle east. Islam is here to stay so long as we are making money. we would never risk another OPEC oil embargo or a revolution with anti american sentiment
>Probably a sandy hook type shooting of European children by a Muslim
You mean like Belsan?
Any principle out of which one can conclude that Islam can be tolerated is hereby proven false simply because of what Islam is. In this respect, the radical enlightenment is wrong and all of our leaders are traitors. That's very unfortunate.
Very nice explanation.
But I shall add to that : quantity is probably one of the most important factors.
Send an individual in a foreign culture, he will most likely integrate as he has to interact with the rest of the group (as long as he isn't rejected of course).
Now a full diaspora is another thing. People can still keep their ways and culture without the need to fully integrate. Then the problems begin.
The destruction of the media and free speech through white countries.
>germany, france, londonistan, fagnordics
>Europe
t. cucknadian education
1. somebody has to be the early adopter
2. "In the initial stages of decline, there will be high amygdala among the migrants because they expect free resources, and probably have less resources than the natives. Natives, by contrast will have lower amygdala because they will tend to have more resilient, less expectant amygdalae and more resources. As a result, the initial stages of decline favor the migrants. They have the amygdala to drive aggression, while the natives do not have the amygdala to foster resistance. It is only when the hardships of the decline increase, and reach all the way to the amygdalae of the natives, that resistance begins."
In other words, not enough natives have felt the pain. Yet.
You might get triggered, but this particular tragedy is very abstract to the public, because they have shown no bloddied bodies to us. The police won't allow it. I personally am right now only abstractly angry about this. It would be much different if I was a witness to this.
I bet all those lefties who write about their unwavered support for refugees do it for the same reason: they had their a priori belief and the dead and wounded are dead and wounded ONLY IN THE ABSTRACT. The lefties had nothing to witness personally, so it had no emotional impact on them personally.
The tragedy is that dead are now only a statistical number that happened far away to us all. When the dead happen next to us, everybody will be shaken.
>tfw you want to remove kebab but you have to wait for it to get popular with the other kids again
Nothing. I hate being part of the millennial generation. Yes, Boomers fucked this world, but my generation bends over and takes it up the arse. I blame TV.
>All it would take for west to wake up to islam is for muslims to just openly say they condone murders rapes etc.
They already have done that, several times. We've had several interviews in Australia on news programs with Muslims living here, both leaders and young men joining this shit saying there's nothing wrong with killing and dying for Allah and shit.
Yuri Bezmenov predicted the marxism brainwashing of western civilization 20yr ago, he describes it well in 4 stages. I think if the rise of the right wing-leaders in west rise, we could probably get a direction away from marxism in 20yr or so.
i think its too late for much of Europe at this point. the people are thoroughly desensitized to muslim extremism and have very little sense of nationalism
White people are all pedos, maniacs, cannibals, serial killers, rapists, mass shooters, they massacred MILLIONS of people in South and Northern America, Africa, Asia, and Europe
Look, even the American president-elect endorses rape and war crimes
YOU ARE THE BAD GUYS
>But I shall add to that : quantity is probably one of the most important factors.
Witnessed.
Yes, quantity is very important in the following respect: group phenomenon can only happen when you have enough mass. This is actually one of the biggest problem for our case. Many people, in their day to day lives, are in contact with one or two individuals from some other culture, perhaps Islam, perhaps something else, and from this experience, which is more than likely to be positive, conclude that there cannot be any problem.
"See user. He's nice. They're human just like us tee hee!"
The problem is that we are not dealing merely with one or two people but rather with hundred of thousands, more than likely million of them, who may develop a degree of group cohesion which ends up pitting them against other groups. For instance, I've known Muhammadans individually and all of them were nice. But no matter how okay they were as people, in contexts in which their religiosity didn't really come into play, it tells me nothing as the way in which their group, and they within that group, will act in a moment in which collective decision making is gonna be relevant.
But our culturally conditioned perspective of radical individualism is such that people never think about group phenomena and in fact believe that thinking in terms of group is inherently evil. That's one of the biggest problem with even people like the libertarian, who think that people ought to think strictly in terms of individuals, and because of this they themselves only think in those terms, which prevents them from anticipating and seeing group phenomenon.
We need to reintroduce concepts relating to groups into our language. (That the task of a right leaning, anti diversity insurgency would be a verbal attack is not something that is readily seen by this board. Hence the despair. People don't know what to do and conclude that there is nothing to do.)
This. I'm not even being sarcastic, these countries are Trojan Horses at this point and need to be treated as enemies.
>they have shown no bloodied bodies to us
They have. People still didn't care.
This response is entirely and wholly correct. I do not believe that you are Polish.
Reveal yourself user. I bet you're a long term planner for a western government.
hach
Admitting they were wrong is a scarier thought than the attacks.
I think an attack with four-figure casualties would do it, as long as there was horrifying footage to go along with it, like with September 11. Anything lower than that and they can too easily make excuses or put it out of their minds.
>We already live in a technocratic dystopia
Because mudslims always attack cucked places full of liberals and retards and big cities.
A Bataclan kind of attack in a small and redpilled village of italy, hungary, poland, spain...could trigger DEUS VULT.
>import millions of refugees
>everyone gets pissed off because of the bad apples
>now you're responsible for the safety of all these refugees
We're already past the point that I thought would be enough. I dunno.
you need to forget the democracy meme and start taking it for the team.
Armageddon
>bonhomme becoming an alt-right symbol
I like it and I don't like it.
If they form a city state in a European capital under Sharia law (which they can probably do within a generation if demographic trends hold). But at this rate it seems like the left will probably commend them.
>We're already past the point that I thought would be enough.
This.
Why the fuck a German hasn't shot Merkel is beyond me.
Some 2/3 of people are just mindless sheep who are conflict-averse and will just go along with mainstream views and accept no risk to themselves, physically or socially.
All it would take is a major change of government, a few years of propaganda, and these people will shut up and go along with it too.
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I agree. If former attacks in Paris and Brussels were not enough, I don't think anything will be enough.
It will take the abandonment of the valueless society that we currently live in, where everyone is an individual and where the market and capital accumulation rules over everything.
Most of you faggots will not make that sacrifice. Are you willing to give up your individualism?
That's easy.
It'll take a loud enough rational right wing to drown out the shrill far-right and far left, for whom the only options are "GLASS THE MUDSLIMES" and "ISLAM HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG, EVER, YOU RACIST" with "Hey, guise, maybe we should stop letting every fucking turban that shows up on our porch into the country". People keep veering suicidally left because a tiny number on the right keep giving the media the perfect molehill to blow out of proportion, as they conceal the SIGNIFICANTLY MORE NUMEROUS radicals on the left who determine the public policy.
Thing is, the longer the backlash takes, the worse it is going to be.
Ironically, the far-right winning elections next year is the least-worst result in the long term.
Economic crisis and the collapse of the welfare state.
Nothing else will be enough as long as we are comfortable.
How many of your are there in QC city? Don't divulge info but I want a rough idea.
You have to end the petro dollar.
It will unfortunately just become the new norm like nigger violence is.
Nothing will happen until Sweden falls.
After that, the most uncucked countries will adress the problem in time, while the most cucked ones will refuse to act and fall as well.
Eastern europe and the UK are the ones with the better chances of making it.
Ding-a-ling.
This is the only correct answer. The welfare state must collapse. Or it must be broken.
How many generations have never had to worry or struggle for their livelihood? To truly earn it, win it with hardship from death itself.
There are now seventy year olds who never saw the WW2.
Maybe these muzzers are a blessing in disguise. They're bringing the war to us. It's time for a cull anyway.
VPN faggot spotted. If you're an Ivan then I'm a Chang.
Nice try Ahmed. Be more subtle next time Haji. You are a son of a dog you know, I bet you have a Shia name like Akbar.
We're also smarter and stronger than you, don't forget that.
WE
>UK
It's quickly turning into 1984 there
Red pill. Jews have always had wet dreams about eradicating all of us and now they have the weapons and chance to do it.