>Once home to the world's fourth-largest tuna fleet, now the fishing trade has collapsed and those who continue to fish are falling prey to the vicious bandits.
THIS IS SOMALIA-TIER STATE FAILURE Will Sean Penn apologize? Will Danny Glover apologize? Will Michael Moore apologize?
Where are all the Hollywood liberal shitheads that sucked Chavez's dick?
Matthew Brown
Spaniards be spaniardin'
Jacob Morgan
>Venezuelan niggers >Spaniards Pick one
Adam Rivera
Damn I use to get really sad and angry when I see Venezuela going like that bad. This red bullshit needs to stop.
Ryan Nguyen
Not real socialism.
If it was used correctly it would be a literal utopia.
Jordan Kelly
Somali Pirates vs Venezuelan Pirates
Who would win
Austin Gonzalez
Naw. It was a sort of socialism. They just also fucked up. The socialism wasn't what fucked them. Idiots and a failure to diversify was. One major export that the US has global control of and has proven they're willing to kill millions to keep control of.
Isaac Jones
Careful posting with that flag, user. I nearly read that as unironic
Oliver Thomas
>less fishing
Not a bad thing really.
Isaiah Rodriguez
Socialism is not to blame for Venezuela's collapse, the problem is Capitalism and the U.S.A
Juan Taylor
fuck off m8
Leo Thompson
Will george bush ever apologize?
Will OPEC ever apologize?
Will you ever stop being a cuck.
Lucas Harris
"it wasn't real socialism"
Jeremiah Perry
>a leaf
Jeremiah Carter
Naw. Socialism for Venezuela worked for a good time. Again, the issue was no economic diversification. They had nothing to offer the world. And for socialism to move and function, you need riches. You need to be a functioning machine. Venezuela stopped being a functioning machine. Isn't the fault of socialism. It's the fault of a number of factors of which poor implementation of the ideology is just one.
Xavier Flores
Countries really shouldn't attempt socialism unless they are capable of being completely self-sufficient. I mean the Country will still turn to shit but at least if let's say Canada went full socialist we'd still be able to feed, clothe, and house our entire populace.
William Reed
why is that nigger laughing?
Nathan Nguyen
>the problem with my perfect thing is that it can only exist in a vacuum and gets fucked by the slightest shit storm
Yep.
Elijah Lewis
>Where are all the Hollywood liberal shitheads that sucked Chavez's dick? Drinking champagne and eating caviar.
Brayden Lopez
kys
Easton Martin
You too
See
Henry Clark
Right now? Somali's but only because they are better armed and have been in the game for longer.
Leo Gomez
>missing the entire point
Socialism is retarded and decimates the economy as your Country implodes upon itself. But there is a vast difference between imploding on yourself then fixing it because a bad economy doesn't affect the crop yield and imploding on yourself then going full Zimbabwe and eating rats to survive.
Dylan Davis
Really, what fucked the USSR was the Cold War. And the Cold War is Truman's fault. The faggot threatened to nuke Moscow a few times. Casually.
Yes, Russia failed to administrate for the most part. East Germany... eh. East Germany is an interesting case out of all of them. Russia and the US agreed to keep Germany agrarian so they could never pose a threat. The US reneged because lolatomicbombinmypocket.
This shit is complicated.
Owen Rogers
Who knew a country full of (((Anglos))) and French would produce a populous of fags
Really makes me think.
Brody White
That's not TRUE socialism matey.
Isaiah Wilson
Back to Argentina i guess
Isaiah Jenkins
>leaf
>no leaf
Ian Bailey
Yeah cause socialism is shit
Kevin Sullivan
I thought they meant internet piracy and was going to ask how the hell they have computers and internet fast enough to download shit.
Xavier Kelly
>Will Sean Penn apologize? >Will Danny Glover apologize? >Will Michael Moore apologize?
Obviously not, this is all America's fault.
Mason Smith
>amerifat and his autism again
Jayden Wright
>It's the fault of a number of factors
no, it's always the fault of anyone that believes in communism lite
Jason Cooper
They had a big ass supply of oil and stable neighbors to trade with. Even middle eastern dictatorships in war torn hellholes can make that shit work.
In this case, government taking control of the economy insulated them from market pressure and critical warning signs that they needed to fix shit.
And with a command economy, you don't get Diversification from entrepenurialship.
Isaiah Myers
>They had a big ass supply of oil and stable neighbors to trade with. The issue is that all they had was oil. And they were a small nation with slow growth. And they were led by boobs who were replaced by total assholes.
It's like watching DSP play something and saying his performance is the fault of the hardware.
Luis Morris
Software, even.
Jace Cox
kek'd
James Clark
More like commies gonna commie.
Hunter Gray
Venezuela was doomed to fail when they nationalized the oil industry and then the state tried to run a bunch of equipment they couldn't maintain. By so casually stealing corporate owned property they basically chased all foreign investment out of the country. Their economy isn't diversified. They were doing -ok- when gas was absurdly expensive. Thanks to fracking and cheap gas Venezuela's inefficient economy was exposed and they're basically a failed state at this point.
Venezuelans go days without electricity. Toilet paper is a luxury. People in the hospital need their families to go out and scavenge antibiotics. Rule of law is not respected.
It makes me sad to see how far Venezuela has fallen. In the 1970s, the bolivar was so strong the joke was that when visiting America you could buy two of everything.
Chavez can rot in Hell.
John Bell
Forgive my ignorance, is there a neighbouring country that might take advantage and grab some clay?
Noah Flores
>communism >homo sapiens
Pick one. Despite communism is a highest form of social relations, bald monkeys are unable to maintain it. Self interest will always prevail. This is evolutionary.
Jeremiah White
don´t you have some pigeons to eat my peruANO friend?
Luke Peterson
inefficiency by design in a brown people country is a terrible idea
Charles Cox
>Will Sean Penn apologize? >Will Danny Glover apologize? >Will Michael Moore apologize? >Where are all the Hollywood liberal shitheads that sucked Chavez's dick? Same goes for the fuckers that stood against apartheid south africa. Same for the mouthy rich foreign cunts that destroyed rhodesia.
I truly hope there is a hell for them to be roasted in, they are destroying civilization.
William James
Ditto
Carter Cook
> mfw the monkeys who lead this country keep calling Argentina "evil"
Thanks for making us look good Venezuela
Adam Rivera
He's probable under arrest which means he gets to live for free in a place that's a lot better than Somalia
Cameron Flores
> G-Guys it wasn't REAL socialism!
Nicholas Ortiz
it is odd how venezuela is barely mentioned in the news despite the humanitarian crisis unfolding
John King
ah yes. the other excuse
>it wasn't our fault our socialist utopia failed. it was your fault we weren't all socialist!
predictable
Landon Phillips
>it is odd how socialist utopia venezuela is barely mentioned in the news despite never having any humanitarian crisis' ever
I hope you're being sarcastic.
Grayson Harris
I agree that with the political equivalent of DSP at the wheel, shit was going to go down the toilet.
But it's a fundamental fact that Socialisim means taking power away from the oil megacorps and giving it to DSP.
And they managed to fuck shit up worse than the oil companies. Which is absolutely astounding to socialistfags.
As abusive as capitalisim is, you still need workers, and consumers to make the shit run, and if you fuck up both, you company dies.
Nathaniel Phillips
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Hunter Gutierrez
And socialism is not currently tearing apart sweden, or gemany, south africa, zimbabwe, it also had nothing to do with the soviets, nothing to do with north korea, cuba, and i am sure the wealth that followed the privatization and deregulation in china and in vietnam was purely coincidental and was entirely due to outside factors. It has yet to be tried thusfar.
Thank you for correcting the record, my friend.
Leo Hill
>And socialism is not currently tearing apart sweden, or gemany No. Socialism isn't. Retarded leaders are. If you implement aspects properly, it works fine. If you take an functioning country and start pumping in millions of people with no skills, no useful purpose, and who only exist to leech from the system, the system dies.
I'm half convinced it's all some conspiracy to kill the functioning systems and degenerate Europe from within, because I have a hard time believing anyone could be so stupid as to be capable of not seeing the issue at play.
It isn't the Socialism. It's the leaders.
James Morales
You're a retard. Sweden and Germany still allows someone to make a billion from selling inflatable sex dolls and spend it on a harem of oiled-up prostitutes (well, in Sweden's case just strippers). Somewhat high tax rates does not create socialism.
John Roberts
>It isn't the Socialism. It's the leaders. Neato. I guess we just need the right man to wield the allpowerful states we have created. I will be on the lookout for the saint this ideal system requires. Preferably he will be immortal, that way we wont have to worry about the potential flaw of power slipping onto the wrong hands like it has... well seemingly everywhere that this 'not-socialism' has been tried.
Thanks again for correcting my record, i sure am learning a lot. Any other insights, my friend? Perhaps a suggestion on who this paragon might be? Pic related, that is my suggestion.
Eli Gray
No, man. You don't need omnipotent leadership to make it work. You need competent organizers and not liberal hipster fucks who don't know how to handle a budget. If you're crafting a system to operate in the capacity of something like a universal healthcare system, you need ruthless efficiency.
Tyler Myers
Like i said. Not socialism. Most assuredly and emphatically NOT!
I mean... the countries certainly appear to be getting worse... while they have continually adopted more and more socialist policies... but as i said, clearly this must be due to outside factors and human corruption, NOT the systemic failure of the socialist ideal itself! Definately not.
So thank you as well for correcting my record.
James Baker
>competent organizers and not liberal hipster fucks who don't know how to handle a budget. Just like pic related, right? He got his start as a very active community organizer. He would be great, he could handle a budget i am sure!
Brandon Ortiz
>implement retarded economic policies >private companies struggle to be competitive in this economic climate and shortages begin >nationalize private companies in order to distribute goods and gain populist points >nationalized companies can't produce shit anymore so needs to import everything with oil money >oil money runs out >"HURR DURR IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF SOCIALISM IT'S LACK OF DIVERSIFICATION"
Of course there is no diversification. They nationalized most of the non-oil productive sector of the economy and it went to shit.
And they did it because they believed state control was more efficient, they did it because they demonized the private ownership of the means of production, in some cases they even followed the communist handbook and put production in the hands of worker's councils.
So basically, pure socialism, and at the time these policies were enacted, they had massive support from the Latin American left-wing intelligentsia. Now they are silent and pretend they never supported it, but I remember.
Thomas Scott
Dude is a lot better than people give him credit for, and a hell of a lot better than the right do. Now you're getting into American politics. And with American politics I can only say one thing. There's going to be a fucking reckoning, and a lot of people are going to end up bloody. Not dead. Bloodied. They'll learn a good lesson. I don't want them dead. I want them obedient and functional.
Lucas Gutierrez
>He would be great, he could handle a budget i am sure! Shit, wait! How do i delete post? Fuck.
It doesnt matter... because... it is not real socialism! Oh that is nice. I think i get it now.
Not real socialism! >Not real socialism! Not real socialism! >Not real socialism! Not real socialism!
Am i doing it right?
Joseph Hill
Maybe getting caught was part of his plan.
Matthew Cruz
Even in Brazil it's being largely ignored.
Unfortunately. If I was in charge of the propaganda section of any right-wing party here, I would broadcast daily videos of famous intellectuals and artists, the kind that Brazilian normies follow opinions from, praising Hugo Chávez, the Bolivarian Revolution and the "Socialism of the 21st century", with images of the collapse and the looting in Venezuela.
This is a good chance to completely discredit the left and expose the morally bankrupt Brazilian intelligentsia, but no one will seize on it.
Jacob Ortiz
>They had nothing to offer the world. And for socialism to move and function, you need riches. So to have functioning socialism you need to have sufficient capital?
Cameron Cooper
Another thing that enrages me is how the UN was quick to condemn Brazil when we passed a constituonal amendment demanding a balanced budget for 20 years.
But on Venezuela, they don't even show the typical "deep concern". They just ignore it completely.
Oliver Hernandez
Unless you control everything you consume within your own borders, yes. You need a hybrid system.
Daniel Lee
Came.here.to.post this.
Easton Smith
>for socialism to move and function, you need riches. You need to be a functioning machine
Which would require every single one of your leaders to be a genius in order to micromanage every aspect of society. Good luck with that, especially in that shitskin hovel.
Cameron Wilson
LOL its worse
venezuela had the 4th highest gdp per capita in 1950
nowadays its economy is shrinking 10%
Julian Reed
But if you have a hybrid balance between capitalist and socialist policies then you can't call that country socialist; it is just a boring average normal country. Typical red gommies aren't happy with the current state of things because they want a greater share of socialist (and then communist) economic and social policies.
Wyatt Jenkins
Pure socialism or pure communism only work if you don't rely on any imports. So they'll never work. The ideal balance is to have your haves while also trying very hard to make things better and offer opportunities to the have-nots.
If you go pure capitalism you have haves until the have nots die from mercury poisoning and then the haves eat one another.
Capitalism by the ideology can't be trusted. Socialism by the ideology is beyond the average people to implement. But together they sort of work.
Jonathan Cruz
Post this idiocy on /his/ some time please.
Jace Edwards
They have a perenially pissed-off neighbor called Colombia
Luis Nelson
This argument basically relies on the US willfully and purposefully devaluing oil, when it was OPEC that dI'd that. Also, how fucked is your country that low oil prices turn fisherman into pirates.
Christian Fisher
>It isn't the Socialism. It's the leaders One and the same
Eli Jenkins
quite a lot of redistribution of responsibility here lmao
Alexander Murphy
>If you're crafting a system to operate in the capacity of something like a universal healthcare system, you need ruthless efficiency. Right, and in the name of ruthless efficiency we must purge the harmful non-working bourgeoisie element, right?
Charles Cook
>be spanish >offer all light, piety and salvation >they all refuse and become godless lefties >hispanosphere is shit >european exholdings also are shit or going to FUNNY ISNT IT?!
Jordan Adams
>And socialism is not currently tearing apart sweden, It's not TOTALLY the refugees part >or gemany oh nigga pleeze >south africa r u serious >zimbabwe being a starving beggar unnecessarily is NOT success...
David Mitchell
Don't even care if this is bait.
Hudson Morgan
kek!
Austin Anderson
Nah the Venezuelan army is not that shit, Colombia is the only neighbouring country pissed at them and they have their own civil war that has been going on for 50 years or so.
Adrian Wilson
I cant tell what youre saying, what point youre trying to make, or even what side of this issue you come down on.
In the future try articulating a point in a way other people will be able to understand by trying the following: Try speaking in complete sentances. Try not talking like stupid ghetto nigger, but using something resembling the english language. Try actually making an argument.
Xavier James
Colombia, but is highly unlikely.
Jace Parker
they're the most fucking retarded oil exporter on earth
while the Russians, Saudis etc. were taking advantage of unprecedentedly high $100+ /bbl oil prices to rapidly build up their financial reserves during the commodity boom to cushion the inevitable bust, they hiked up spending and took on massive debt instead so now they're totally fucked
they also failed to do even the minimum to maintain their oil industry, let alone investing in expansion, so their production is falling rapidly
Lincoln Turner
ITT Just another day in a Socialist Paradise
Nicholas Miller
it's a shame really they could've kickstarted a successful south America