Civic or White

what is your nationalism.

are you civic nationalist or are you a racialist?

I'm neither, I'm a post nationalist.


I only care about first posts and best posts.

Fuck off

Civic nationalist.

No one outside of a few 1488 autists want to separate from America and form a whites-only country.

I'm pic related nacionalist

Being Portuguese is not about race, it's A VIRTUE!

"Civic nationalism" is a bad American meme that breaks down under any kind of scrutiny.

Kill yourself, a white ethnostate is a prerequisite for letting in any minorities. Shitskins never have and probably never will be able to contribute to societies without eventually destroying them.

shut up fagt

So in theory you would be okay with a 70% Mexican, 20% Black, 10% White America as long yourself can celebrate it? (Given you're not a minority anyways)

Ethnocentrist. I have no right being an ethno-nationalist in Canada and I would not stoop to being a civic nationalist.

i think you just covered both there friendo
well memed

> (OP)
>By birthright, excluding all dual citizens and children of non-citizens. Tourism visas ONLY. Migration btfo. Skilled workers trained locally.
>Bonus: Special currency for non-residents and tourists.

Neither. Nationalism is a relic of the past, and that's exactly where we need to leave it. I'm sick of bigotry and hate.

If you uphold manly virtue, respect for your elders, and live with honor and fidelity in your words and actions - then it doesn't matter who or what you are.

Being a citizen has its rights and its responsibilities.

Ethno-nationalist that excludes Swedes.

A "White" nationalist state would include the Swedes which would proceed to flood the state with Somalis.

Still see plenty of whites here what's the issue

You glorious fuck

Wouldn't it make sense to make the white ethnistate in Europe?

I mean the US and Europe is getting fucked in terms of demographics but shouldn't Europe be the priority concerning where the white ethnostate should be instead of the US?

I mean thats where all the whites came from, its only fair they should have their own countries there

Ethnic nationalism is following civic nationalism to its logical conclusion

(You)

all civic nationalists are cucks or from the colonies
racialist? wtf is that?
is that something the yanks larping as kraut sausage suckers came up with?

Are you disagreeing with my proposal on the basis of "it looks pretty white tho"?

:/ :/ :/ overpopulation is the issue. we are double the carrying capacity of the island.

There are almost 200 million whites in the US. There are 98%+ white places, and some states have over 90% white populations. It isn't fucking hard to set up a white ethnostate on a practical level, only on an ideological one. Suggesting to move everyone 'back to Europe' is not only retarded, but it also reduces practicality.

Europe should be white, as should most of the US, Canada, Australia, and NZ. Lefties whining about the natives can suck it, the populations are established, and the countries were built from nothing by the whites. They are white.

>suggesting to move everyone 'back to Europe' is not only retarded, but it also reduces practicality.
its also not wanted by Europeans
they're sick of liberal and obnoxious yanks coming over being irritating on their holidays at best and stealing jobs and voting for the leftists at worst if they emigrate
americans moving overseas are worse than canadians

>Wouldn't it make sense to make the white ethnistate in Europe?
Europe doesn't want us "Euro-mutts"

Neither. I just realize that society, in fact, all non-nigger societies, are badly drained by niggers and kikes.

>all non-nigger societies, are badly drained by niggers and kikes.
Best way to counteract that and remove them is a renewed awareness of racial interest for whites, hence ethnic nationalism

Based ameribro gets it.

>not one step back

there is only one nation, race.

Yeah, here's the problem.

Not everyone likes whites.
Most everyone hates niggers and kikes.


Feel free to bind-together with fellow whites, if they are receptive. For non-whites, you'll go further focusing on how they are menaced by niggers and kikes.

> does blood play a factor in nation?
Yes, of course.

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>full house digits
Confirm for cucks

>civic nationalism
No such thing /leftypol/

You cunt. You've been doing this all day.

civic

statism.

Ethno nationalist.
Civic still gets you replaced over time.

I'm from a tiny ass country cramped inbetween France, Germany and Belgium, I just want to be left alone with my fellow Dutch people.
We need to find back our Dutch identity that has been relatively unstable since France occupied us and then implemented their age of enlightenment in the Netherlands and eventually Belgium and Luxembourg broke off.

I want ethno-nationalism, just remove all these immigrants to respectable rates so they're bred out in a few generations and I'm fine.

After that just leave us alone so I can plow some farmer cuties.

>and NZ
My home is almost as cucked as America ;_;
So many fucking indians, asians and islanders, jesus christ.

same here bro, can we come live with you?

I don't think the south will come with us since they literally destroyed their own language to adopt french, they're lazy gimmiedats anyway

Not true, if different races integrate them in to the western society and prosper their birth rates will go down.

Also civic nationalism discourages racial self hatred which would lead to less racial mixing IMO.

90% sure most coal burners hate their race so they seek out someone who doesnt look like them.

Also racism is anti-thetical to judeo-christian values, and most ethnic nationalist are probably controlled by the opposition in reality.

that's a false choice you've presented.
there are more options.

(you) too
you can be a nationalist without being any kind of bigot.
nobody is entitled to move to anywhere.
you're only allowed by the hosts graciousness.
the rescinding of or the lack of an invitation does not imply bigotry.

Civic or racialist are you genuinly retarded?The only good type of natinalist is national socialist,full right white supremacist,you normalfags that leaned to the right only when times got hard keep pushing this pussy shit.You either go full NATZI or might as well not bother...Just like that nigger lover Paul Watson,the more you wait before you realise that all non-whites must be purged from Europe the more white blood will flow,because bitches like you cant take leftist labels as racist and natzi and smply wear them with pride.

>if different races integrate
What do you think integrate means? And why do you think it's not replacement?
Also, why do you think you aren't just a cuck who's scared of being called racist?
>judeo
Oh, you're a kike.

Both are blue pilled you should only identify with the families that have lived in the same city as you for hundreds of years

Your an unwitting pawn of the cultural marxist and are being used as a tool to discredit those who care about their countries and free them.

CBO

Sure you can come back, you can bring Wallonia too if they're willing, they just can't sit and wait for those handouts anymore, they also have to clean Brussels because it looks like shit.

We can even take in some South-African Dutchies to repair the demographic damage.

I'm liberal.

The only reason you would be a civic nationalist is if you were afraid that liberals and leftists would call you le evil natsi man if you identified as an ethno-nationalist. Unfortunately for you if you're on the right (even the pretend right like the Republican party/Trump) you're already a nazi and attempts at signalling otherwise are pointless.

Civic types always seem to care so much about ''''muh culture'''' and ''''muh values'''' (it's 2016, what values does the west have besides consumerism, egalitarianism and xenophilia?) but fail to recognise/are to cowardly to accept that these are a direct result of the makeup of the people who inhabit that nation. My country is it's people, not it's dysfunctional government or ugly flag.

Instead they must cling to the 'magic dirt hypothesis' which claims that no matter what country an immigrant comes from, no matter how different the environment his sub-group of humanity has evolved in, no matter how alien his own culture is to yours, the moment he steps on your soil he will lose all identity of his own and become like you.

On top of this being stupid it's not desirable. I have no desire to see the world transformed into a mono-culture, to see others throw away their own identities and cultures in a fruitless attempt to become like me. The end result of civic 'nationalism' (nation denotes the people, the term should be 'civic statism') is indistinguishable from the fruits of globalism, except for more bureaucracy and borders that will have lost all relevance and meaning. It's McPlanet Brazil either way.

Honestly I have more respect for leftists (especially nationalist ones, stalinists etc.) than I do for those who identify as civics. You may as well identify as a cuckold because in the end your still sacrificing your nation for your leftist morality.

Neither of those are nationalism. Nationalism can only be ethnic.

lmao. That's bullshit and you know it.
Euro-mutts are common in Europe as well, not as much as the US though

There ain't such a thing as civic nationalist. You need to know your culture, because chances are if you don't know your race, you can do anything like alt-right, which also includes Jews, anti-culture and whatever. You are basically a liberal aka allow it all if you are a civic nationalist.

I'm just a conservative.

That doesn't sound like an argument.
If there's a position at a research company that has 5 white men and 11 asians, have the whites not been replaced? 11 white men lost the ability to get jobs there.
Not only that but the "integrating" non-whites slowly kill your population off by turning them into Brazil or Spain at a slow rate.

Why do you hate whites so much? Are you a jew?

What do you conserve? Because every shitlord can say that and since there is no definition of what they conserve they don't do shit. For everybody conservatism means something different, but almost everybody uses Jesus as excuse for degeneracy.

>post nationalist
I see what you did there

I don't think russians are best, I think that niggers and muslims are worst. Who am I?

>euro-mutts
It's a divided issue. It would be worse if it happened en masse. If it was a matter of saving all white people, I wouldn't mind, but I don't want to dilute and destroy what it means to be German, Italian, British, French, etc. Some Europoors are ok with it, and some arent. The "mixing" experiment is already happening in America. It would be a tragedy for it to happen unnecessarily in Europe too, all that history lost

Better to ask yourself,

'Do I want Russia to survive, or do I want to become part of Africa?'

Likewise I don't believe that my country or it's people are anything special, only that they are mine and that we must look out for eachother, as nobody else will.

Diversity and multiculturalism is forced hard in schools in New England like where I'm at. The south is not giving into bullshit like that oddly enough. They claim it's great, but if you ask any of them the benefits of it they just freeze. Diversity literally just diversifies people which is not good. We need to be united. We care about creative diversity, not wether or not Tyrone with his 79 IQ is in the group of all Chinese women (Which is somehow considered more diverse than a group of different types of whites.)

A jew that is a productive citizen raises their children well and votes republican is bettern the a blue eyed and blonde haired german who mindlessly votes for the CDU and welcomes mudslimes to rape his children.

My parents are both DAR prussian and english and lutheran so I guess I pass the bullshit purity test.

The ur-civilization of Europe was rome, and in Rome anyone could be a roman citizen so long as you upheld roman virtues.

I think the best way to easily describe my feelings on the matter are

>Civic nationalist
>Society is built on European ideas and culture. Assimilate or leave
>non-whites allowed but Europeans get preference for immigration

The problem is that nowadays the left doesn't see the difference between white cultural supremacy and white racial supremacy

Civic nationalist.

I know the autist fedoras in Sup Forums are triggered by this, but civic nationalism is the only form of right wingery that is actually realistic in real life and would not remain to be a masturbatory dream of the fedoras

They do but they attach them together to de-legitimize the first.

I'm French and even "pure" French people are mutts to a certain extent. We mixed with Germans, Belgians, Swiss, Italians and Spanish.
What really matters is mantaining local culture (even at a regional level) and not mixing with niggers and shitskins imo.
The problem that you have in the US is that you just toss everyone in the bag of "white people" and that erases culture. But if a Euro-mutt moves to France and adapts to French culture completely, he can be French.
The same principle doesn't apply to a black person, since he will very obviously never be perceived as French

Im pretty sure most people on Sup Forums are civic nationalists you just notice the racial ones more.

A kike

>lets have freedom
>lets be tolerant (which means government doesn't needs to spend tax collected money on anything and can just stack it inside pockets)
>le free trade, that will really protect muh culture(with no definitions), when Sheik invests, that's ok, i get rich, therefore i am a nationlist
>le Jesus forgive me, i am done wrong, more Jew Jesus pls

Yeah, you're a civic nationalist in a 99.9% white country.
Let's see your opinion when you get 10 or 20% non-white.

good to hear, we are the silent majority

Both types are complete cancer.

White nationalism isn't even a type of ethnic nationalism it's a meme.

Civil nationalism is just libertarian cucks who are in denial because lole I'm edgy and racist!

The answer is neither.

>A jew that is a productive citizen raises their children well and votes republican is bettern the a blue eyed and blonde haired german who mindlessly votes for the CDU and welcomes mudslimes to rape his children
How about neither?
You sound bluepilled as fuck.
>and in Rome anyone could be a roman citizen so long as you upheld roman virtues.
Not actually true, not until later anyway. It was extremely difficult to get citizenship when Rome was great, it started to become easy before the collapse.

civic nationalism just means that we build a strong filter that will not let just any random shitskin in here. The end result is still more whites, except that the normies will be more OK with it.

tolerant about what? you mean being democratic? our methods differ, but the end goal is the same. check what I wrote above

Sup Forums's logo is a swastika in a circle with "politically incorrect" around it, want to rethink that?

Everyone is mixed to a certain extent. Evolution isn't a straight line. It's a turbulent river, constantly swirling around. But the French people are still French. Use America as a research study to determine what's good and what's bad

No your country let mudslimes in.

Islam is a degenerate cancer unlike anyother religion.

Its a political and religious body that seeks to impose its will on all others.

All other religions are compatabile with western society.

Unless muslims are a tiny fraction of the population they pose a grave risk to their country.

See Egyptian copts vs egyptian mudslimes.

>Assimilate

Meaningless.
The culture of your nation (or any nation) came about organically from the people who makeup that nation.

The high trust, high time preference European society that you enjoy in Australia came about because you are Europeans, and Europeans have undergone tens of thousands of years in harsh climactic conditions that necessitate delayed gratification and close teamwork. Those unable to make the cut were selected against and removed from the gene pool.

When you start taking in Africans, who came about in very different conditions that did not require such traits you are going to see massive changes in society. It doesn't matter if the dress like you, or talk like you, it's what they carry in their genes that matters (of course, as individuals there will be some that fit, perhaps even better than white Australians, but these are exceptions to the herd).

The culture of African countries (low trust, low time preference, etc.) come about for the same reasons the opposite came about in European countries. They can't assimilate, they are who they are and genetics has already decided that for them.

What your saying is that you want Australia to become Somalia, and you should just say that instead of beating around the bush.

>white nationalism
That's just cuck cuck klan. There is only one type of nationalism, which the word implies, non-internationalism. I don't know at what point Americans made nationalism into internationalism, but it's bullshit. Freedom aka free trade aka mixing of white or any races is internationalism and this is also where we get inter-racial or inter-gration.

Woo, civic nationalism. Good luck with that once whites hit 40% and under!

>civic nationalism just means that we build a strong filter that will not let just any random shitskin in here

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

Look, this is what happens in civic nationalist countries

>non-whites get in
>non-whites start advocating for more non-whites
>you can't say shit against them because "le based civic nationalism XDDDDDDD"
>more and more non whites come
>your country becomes truly enriched
>you realize ethnic nationalism is the only possibility

Always racial for me.
Culture can change, no point being loyal to culture when kikes in Hollywood can pump out mass propaganda and change it in a decade.

...

Democracy is a system on top of nationalism.
You can't have nationalism if you don't have racial/cultural rules. You can't have nationalism if you don't even know what your culture is. You can't have nationalism if there are no laws that define the nations. When you are free you can as well be Mad Max. Total freedom is anarchy and degeneracy.

That is sooooooo fucking cherry-picking the pakenham line.

geert will save you

politically incorrect just means being not politically correct, for christ's sake, I am not obligated to become a natsoc because some stranger on the internet told me that I should

nationalism just means honouring your traditions and supporting the rise of patriotism, it doesn't imply that you have to racial about this. When shitskins are forced into becoming white, many will either leave, become more docile or oppose, in which case they will get slaughtered. Sounds good, eh?

>you realize ethnic nationalism is the only possibility
You give them too much credit, they tend to take the socialist defence of "that wasn't real ____, we just have to try again".

All right , globalist anti-Christ kingdom here we come.
One country!
One parliament!
One ruler!
One culture!
One race!
One currency!
One religion!

>civic nationalism is the only form of right wingery

Civic nationalism is not right wing. Even the French revolutionaries were more 'right wing' than that. What you're saying is that to be right-wing is heretical in the current year, which is true, and is why the world is fucked and why Sup Forums exists.

>implying any one of them is an actual british nationalist
>implying any of them is given to a civic cause
>implying those are not exactly the elements that any sort of nationalism aims to eliminate

You are actually right, my goyim friend, I am.

Confirmed

>non-whites start advocating for more non-whites
why should they? they'd rather go to Weedman's land than go throught this bullshit and bother themselves. Do you honestly think that non-whites want to come somewhere where people are expecting them to conform to white culture or fuckin die?? This is the very reason why we have only 0.2% shitskins out of entire population - nobody's greeting them, and it's more worth it to go to Germany, Sweden or Finland, because they are welcomed there.

Nationalism means basically people controlling their means of production, which implies that elites don't and government is the people. Honoring your traditions is something you do on celebrations, that happens after you know who you are and what culture you belong to. How are you going to honor anything if you don't know in depth what you even honoring? Does the Jew/capitalist/elite owned government tell you how to do it? Since then you will be a fool dancing the fool's dance. Nationalists don't need to understand or work with other cultures, they are only concerned of their own culture, it's government's job to create that division between different people, else you are thrown all together and you have liberalism.

>le ebin memes xD
DAY OF THE RAKE, YOU FUCKING LEAF

read what I am writing in this thread, close that meme folder and lrn2read faggot

The jew gives the American his message.

Trump and Banon's nationalism is simply effective white nationalism.


You don't win elections or get anywhere by telling people that you want your cubtry only to have white people.

First you want to win back the centre ground from the liberal left and normalise trump and Banon's ideas, then after that has been accomplished you can focus on achieving further victories.

Trying to create a split between white nationalists and white nationalists who are practically minded by calling them civic nationalists is agent provocateurs are trying to do.

Civic nationalists are cucks. We must secure a future for the existence of our people and a future for white children desu.

>non-whites start advocating for more non-whites

They actually do this in my country.
I remember when we elected our first Muslim mayor of London (P R O G R E S S !) the brown Christians (Deus Vult lel!!!!!!) voted overwhelmingly for the brown Muslim than for the white christian.

You might not see race but they do. We're all wired into the identity-politics game now, if you aren't playing you've already lost.