Why do Pagans complain?

>you Christians are weak, it is our custom, tradition, and heritage to be cruel, cheating, lying bastards
>you Christian bastards killed off our people with cruel actions, cheated us, and lied to us

What gives, man?

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I guess it should be more of
>killed off our tradition, heritage and culture through cruelty and lies
Also, I'm taking fpbp

Because they're being subverted by the jew. Christianity is the religion of Europe, so they'll do everything they can to replace it with pagan numale LARPing and atheism.

Christianity mostly won because of their appeal to the poor and destitute though.

Thats cheating.

Very much like the Democrats are cheating in your country, by promising the lower classes, everything they want.

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But uh, weren't the vikings all about cheating?
Doing anything to win or get rich?
Like raiding poor farmers and defenseless monks?

I always here the appeal to the poor being stated as a chief reason Scandinavians adopted Christianity, but then some asshole always says again that it was the Kings and Chieftains who first adopted it as a social tool...
Don't tell me its both...

Life is already plagues with that shit but ok.
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Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps fortifying the weak is a better solution than simply killing them or letting them die off?

About the poor and the powerful adopting Christianity, before the cynics come in I'd like to say :
Maybe Christianity is just compatible with men and women from all walks of life....

You earned that fpbp

>Like raiding poor farmers

But the Vikings were also poor farmers.

Also they weren't converting them, so dunno why you even brought up this retarded comparison.

Private reputation and societal hierarchies based on the defending, maintaining, and earning of honor were tantamount to pre-Christian pagan culture, the best academically documented examples of this refer to pre-Christian Iceland, where pagan tradition, culture, and societal folkways lasted longest against the christianization process of European nations/peoples. Read a book. Cambridge, Oxford, Berkeley, many prestigious scholars lecture on this subject.

>Christians killed people to expand their empire.
>Vikings killed people because they wanted their stuff.
>Christians are the evil ones here?

Nah, giving people to strive for is better.
>Maybe Christianity is just compatible with men and women from all walks of life....

A nation for everyone is a nation for no one.

A religion for everyone is a nation for no one. ;^)

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Better safe than sorry desu

>worships Yeshua, son of the Israeli National God YAWEH
>claims the native religions of Europe are Jewish subversion

7/10 mental gymnastics. Good form but you botched the landing.

This. Christianity is the social democracy of religions. Makes sense that the place most indoctrinated (Europe) turned into social democracy.

Who said either have to be the good guys

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>But the Vikings were also poor farmers.

>humans killing humans is ok because they are both humans
Then don't complain about cheating
>humans cheating humans is ok because they are both humans
I suppose you could apply that to any category you put the Norse people in.

How is the comparison retarded?
I just sought to expose the double standard pagans seem to hold.
You obviously hold this standard as well.
Why aren't the Christians allowed to win by any means necessary as the Vikings/Norse did?
Seems rather user friendly for the Norse people.

No offense, Swede.
I know that when all is said and done your heritage is important to you.

I'm just saying. Maybe if the ancient Scandans killed people for a less materialistic reason their gods would still be here today.

>he never asked actual jews what they think of yeshua
bro they are mad jelly at him for attaining christ conciosness. they will never call him christ, go loo it up in wikipedia

Yeah but at least vikings didn't worship a fucking Jew

To be fair the large majority of europe converted of their own free will - it wouldn't make sense for a few monks / apostles to wonder into warrior cultures and FORCE anything- atleast until they already had the majority of the people backing them
All tribal cultures have their issues with lack of compassion and empathy - the European man was one of conquest and war, christianity tamed this and turned him into a strong soldier but one who was tempered with a faith which promoted honesty and mercy.


I know shitposting about pagans and christians is fun and triggering eachother is a good passtime BUT if both sides are being honest

>The MAJORITY of europeans freely accepted christianity
>HOWEVER they kept many of the older traditions and folk-tales which allowed them to keep much of their identity while remaining in the church
> the COMBINATION of these two aspects is what makes the european man special
> Not too violent (like the negro)
> Not too manipulative/intellectual (Like the asian and Jew)

WE need to unite and do what are forefathers could not, in order to make the RIGHT side of philosophy dominate not only in politics but in culture as well..

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They lost a war to a bunch of autistic nerd virgins who did worship a fucking jew tho

>Who said either have to be the good guys
That's a good point, but with this know that when one concedes this they surrender the right to complain on a basis of moral highground.
Modern pagans paint their ancestors as slightly less than saints yet Christians as little more than devils.
>implying that truth is subject to the culture which holds it
no
>Christianity is the social democracy of religions

>Everything has an ordered place under God in Christianity
>Social democracy of religions
Why do you say this?

Damn that's a good one.
I mean that's really really good.

Oath breaking was a serious offense in Norse culture, accruing shame and dishonor was one of the worst fates imaginable, matters of dispute were settled at althings, the oldest system of parliament still used today. Common law enforced an honor based society, remnants of which we still see today as well.

is Varg "our guy"?

Thank you man, I was posting on a earlier thread about Varg and made peace with a pagan there.
It inspired me to make that image and hopefully change some peoples minds in the process.
We aren't going to be able to remove kebab and fight racial displacement if we refuse to work together. Both the Pagan gods and the Christian ones failed to keep our nations clean and free from invaders - but if we work together we can do what are ancestors could not.

Here am I, the servant of the Lord.

You forgot to mention this was only awarded to the Norse, not to non-Norse peoples.
Murder was a grave offense in the Norse world.
So was theft.
And as you said Oathbreaking.
But we don't see these standards being applied to non-Norse people.
Just look at the Danish conquest of England or the Norwegian raids of Scotland and Ireland.
Honor between these peoples was obviously not on their minds, at least not on the Norse mind.

Christianity has the same principles, be honorable, be trustworthy, promises are sacred, people should be just.
However pagans complain when Christians don't apply these principles to non-Christians.
See the hypocrisy?

>is Varg "our guy"?
Of course he is.
He's just a bit off his rocker, but in this world that's a good thing.
YES!

Here I am servant of the Lord.

Pagans are mostly Western Europeans who are desperately trying to rediscover tradition and manliness because they haven't been thought by their fathers. It's not really that bad in my opinion.

>Honor between these peoples was obviously not on their minds, at least not on the Norse mind.

Thats not true though. It's obviously not dishonorable to kill people on raids. It's very much honorable to kill and steal on raids.

But Norse honor system was still in play even outside of Scandinavia.

Pic related is an example of that. Byzantine woman kills a Varangian man after he tried to rape her and the rest of the Varangian guard does not punish her but gives her his possesions as she was clearly in the right.

I didn't need an image to make me post this but...

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Once they made berserker outlaw then it was over. There were no warriors of the pagan faith left and the Norse did little to even stop them.

Yes, but it's annoying.

Everything that was actually good about paganism has long since been integrated with European Christianity. If you want to rediscover principles and manhood, study Christian theology and actually try to live as a man of the Church. Conduct yourself with honor. Be honest. Know temperance. Work hard. So on and so forth.

If you want to celebrate European culture, then you'll find it in the church - not with some neopagan construction that is half made up by some LARPer from the 50s and half borrowed back from the church in the first place.

It wouldn't be nearly as annoying if there weren't so many of them going LAW KIKE ON A STICK MUH JOO MUH PAGANS MUH VIKINGS NORDS ROCK

OR

by bloodshed and killing of pagans

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

>christians: convert
>pagans: nope, you can live here in peace with us though
>christians: that wasnt a request

>600 years later
>Christians: why is this isss laaaam so aggresive? we are but peaceful christians and have always been so!

Karmas a bitch aint it!

See Iceland is the best example of Pagan virtue ethic being properly implemented, Iceland during post-Christianization was unique in that followers of the old ways coexisted in peace with the new followers of Christianity. Both listened with reverence to each other's legends/fables, stories/myths, with the honest intention of understanding any wisdom or truth therein. Truly, the followers of the old ways were treated worse in Iceland by Christians than anything.

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t. Ahmed

When was this though?
>The Rus' provided the earliest members of the Varangian Guard. They were in Byzantine service from as early as 874. The Guard was first formally constituted under Emperor Basil II in 988, following the Christianization of Kievan Rus' by Vladimir I of Kiev.
This was also during the time that Christianization in Scandinavia was almost complete....

>implying the Norse weren't forced to play by the Byzantine rules
When in The Eastern Roman Empire, do as the Eastern Romans do.
I don't think it was their pagan tradition which they may or may not have had that made them do this.
I think it was they realized they don't want to make enemies with their employers.

Is there any evidence we should consider?
Were these pagans or was this at a time when paganism was still prevalent in Scandinavia?

>not dishonorable to kill and steal while being pirates
t. Viking
Stop it.
Seriously though, I'm not saying its dishonorable and therefore they shouldn't do it.
I am saying its hypocritical to say Christians shouldn't do it to us but we are allowed to do it to them.

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A scholarly body of pre-Christian European theology indeed exists, untainted by allistair crowley and other culturally appropriating Wiccan asshats who conflate Celtic mythology with Christian devils.

not anything of the sort, i dont believe in blood sacrifices

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> " Hahaha your (pagan or christian) people were killed by OUR (pagan or christian) people

> THERE IS NO "Pagan people"
> THERE IS NO "Christian people"
What you believe in does not change
>"WHAT you are"
You should not feel any joy from ancient or contemporary killings of Pagans and Christians because THEY ARE your people.
Its a tragedy that we murder our own blood and kin over petty shit like this. If we continue to squabble NEITHER christians NOR pagans will survive the coming demographic genocide.

WE MUST WORK TOGETHER OR PERISH.
>remove KEBAB
>remove the Jew
>Work together as brothers in blood even if not in faith.

Christianity is Estrogen in religious form. It will turn you into a pussy.

You sound like a literal nigger.

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Where were there Pagan gods when they got fucking rekt?

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What? They were Swedes and Swedes were the last of the Norse to convert. Most likely during the late 11th century.

Doubtful any Christians would have let a woman be after she killed a man and even give her his possessions.

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Teutonic knights kicked the shit out of pagans. That's the truth.

Pagans BTFO

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>those digits
God confirms.
Eric Haakonsson outlawed them because they were too dangerous to the leadership.
It's the same reason The Navy axed Red Cell.
This.
t. Mohammed Al-Bakir
>live to raid and justify by appealing to warrior gods
>get put in place by people fed up with the raids by appealing to the God of Justice and Peace

>Karma's a bitch ain't it!
It sure is.
>people who respect others and revere their culture tend to hold onto it
Why is this an interesting claim?

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Really makes me think

>tfw converted to Hindu
>will probably get to be a sick ass elephant or a shark in my next life

To be fair, in UK, the religious people tend to be Mudslimes so they definitely favour open door immigration.

"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, this is the second death."

-Jesus
Revelation 21:8

>yes goy, wait until *the end of time* while we count our shekels

Cry harder, pagan cuck. My Christian teutonic sword loved the taste of your cucked pagan blood. You're indeed a joke. Cuck.

Judean=/Jew Hebrew=/Jew

How about being born a mud farmer in South Sudan

>pre-Christian European theology indeed exists
Such as?
precisely.
>tips mjolnir
Entirely Germanic FYI
This is also a good post.
>leaf *see intelligent conversation between Europeans discussing how to solve ideological difference* *proceed to dump images from personal cuck fetish folder*
Typical

>implying Scandinavians aren't the biggest cucks around

*taught

Because it shows that pagans in Iceland extended their system of honor to non-pagans, not to mention that Iceland retained their stories and folkways, and never fully submitted to christian influence. Academia knows well that the Icelandic eddas are the lone and sole resource of complete pagan texts we have today, Saxo grammaticus' interpretation being the one exception.

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>What gives, man?
I don't know. Have you ever had a psych eval?

Finn magnusson, David lindow, Jan de vries, folke strom, hilda Ellis Davidson, the list of scholarly observation of Norse religion goes on, and on, and on.

>gives imperative to destroy shekelmen on multiple occasions
>CHRISTIANITY ISN'T REDPILLED AT ALL

>mfw Christendom outlawed ursury and this is why Jews were ousted from almost every nation in Europe at least once

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Take this (you)

I don't want observations of Norse theology.
I want Norse theology.
>this one anecdote from a remote island of Norse settlers speaks for all Norsemen
>Varg.jpg
STOP!!!
What is your point?
Weren't the eddas recorded by a monk?
Can't Christianity at least be thanked for its monks?

They all seem to think I am crazy because I don't play by their rules and then they get angry when I point out they don't play by their rules either.
Their voices are hollow.

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Or...keep what paganism was preserved by the church, AKA 80% of the catholic tradition, everything that is good in catholicism, and fucking discard the weak core of the sand cult, destroying aong it the "open to semites" mentality.
We converted to commerce with Rome btw. Not because it was great per se, but to imitate the economically succesful.

>keep what paganism was preserved by the church
Rituals and Traditions without any meaning or belonging to gods long since forgotten?
Paganism is rather static, or at least it has become static, unable to be revived.
It lives on as Canadabro said in Catholicism, it's significance, its justification now is intertwined with Catholicism.

Norse theology isn't merely observed by scholars, obviously. Read the works. Norse myth is put under analysis and observation in order to derive/conclude scholarly equipped facts and theological evidence of a sophisticated virtue system.

The eddas were recorded by saemund the wise and snorri sturluson, each of them collected stories from local families around Iceland, the legends contain a level of moral and poetic sophistication that is awe inspiring to any antiquarian with a background in theology or literature.

hey guys, random question out of this entire thread. Why does pope john paul the 2nd have a webcam
vaticanstate.va/content/vaticanstate/en/monumenti/webcam/tomba-del-beato-giovanni-paolo-ii-.html

>Rituals and Traditions
Like all the feast we celebrate in france?
None are christian in origin.
Especially not Christmas.

>Like all the feast we celebrate in france?
>None are christian in origin.
>Especially not Christmas.
That's my point....
>le Christmas isn't Christian
Actually...It is Christian, it's current conception is to celebrate the birth of Christ and then centered upon that peace on earth and good will towards men.
You might as well argue that children aren't really themselves but rather their parents.

Our time is yet to come my brethren, HERE I AM, THE SERVANT OF THE LORD!

>shameless Norsaboo

So what is your point?
What are you getting at, what should I take away from this?
Read more? Done, will do!
Pagans were capable of doing good?
Readily conceded, no one said they weren't.

The contention I began with was why modern pagans hold Christianity to a standard they do not hold paganism to.

Charlemagne would be ashamed of you, you fucking pagan cuck. You're nothing but a mere disgusting cuck who is literally sucking Ahmed's dick while niggers and sandniggers flood your country.

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>pagan
>cuck who is literally sucking Ahmed's dick while niggers and sandniggers flood your country.
You're talking about christians.
They are the one inviting the dogs to eat my country.
They are de facto allies with the socialists.
As for paganism, it's only myths not a religion to me while chritianity has become a death trap for the europeans.
To remain christian is to die whith white christianity.

The pope himself only care about niggers, why the shit do you pretend to be more christian than the pope, beaner?

>hating your own people
>choosing not to change them
Be the next Charlemagne.
Seriously, what's stopping you?
I mean really really, what is actually stopping you from attaining greatness?

>appeal to the poor and destitute
Then why were the Scandinavian peasants pagan long after the nobles converted?

You're a smart one. Good catch, very astute.

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>Be the next Charlemagne.
The vacuity of american culture....
What is similar in context to Carolus Magnus's rule?
Was he surrounded by traitors 8 to 1? with a 25% saracen population at home?
With the USA willing to nuke your face off if you don't welcome the world as part of the marshal plan? Part of a euro union actually rule by the bankers that rule the world?

What the fuck are you talking about, comfortable faggot?

Wrong. Your president is an atheist and he is the one letting niggers and sandniggers invade France. Of course he's also a Jew's puppet too.

You wish.
The fatass do nothing and let thing happens wishing them away.