Why should you have more rights to your State than a Syrian refugee?

Why should you have more rights to your State than a Syrian refugee?

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Hold on a second buddy, answer me why they should have rights to my state first

i have the same rights to my state as he has to his.

In fact no, pay your fucking debts before you even begin to answer my question you fucking debtnigger

No man is entitled to the product of anther man's labor

because I'm a citizen of my state, he is a citizen of his.

Because letting them come leaves you with two choices:
>give them stuff for free
>don't give them anything for free, which means they'll form huge shanty town that stink and ruin the sight
Both of those are clearly undesirable.

Because my family, my fellow countrymen and my ancestors built it for me and my people. Because we made it.

>Refugee
>Have rights
Pick one

Until you pay your debts you have no right to talk about this subject.

Because it's my state.

>give them stuff for free
I agree, that's wrong.
>don't give them anything for free, which means they'll form huge shanty town that stink and ruin the sight
What gives you the right to stop them from doing that as long as they don't infringe on your property?

Why are white people not allowed to choose what's best for their interest when Syrian refugees have that privilege?

Isn't that a textbook example of racism?

Really? How so?

I pay taxes and so did my parents.

He wouldn't be a refugee if the west had left the middle east alone.

>as long as they don't infringe on your property?
What if I can smell them and hear them from my windows?

And why should that stop an immigrant or a refugee from paying taxes?

Because it's mine.
If the state stops taking care of its citizens, it becomes simply an occupying entity, unworthy of loyalty.
For the state and the citizen to have a productive relationship, they have to take care of each other.

If you didn't give them shit for free, they wouldn't come.

They won't come here if they don't get shit for free
>costs thousands of dollars to vet these fuckers and fly them over
>costs thousands of dollars to house them
>overwhelming majority rely on government gibs

It's America and England (and to a lesser extent France) who fucked up the Middle East, not us.

My people created a law that says if I'm born here im allowed to reap the benefits of all their hard labor past and present. Therefore it is so

Because we saw what the Syrian refugee's nation turned into, and we don't want that here.

doggy dog world.

Buy the whole neighbourhood and ask tenants to have specific habits according to your liking. Move to the countryside. The point I'm trying to say is that our aesthetic vision of the world doesn't give us any rights on it.

If they pay taxes, they can have full rights.
But they don't. Refugees aren't even allowed in the work force initially, until citizenship.

Anyone who can prove they can carry their own weight is welcome.

But illegal immigrants don't come here to carry their own weight.
They are here to leech off our heard earned money just like Greeks do.

it's a tough world, be happy your in a position to apply your vision. you could easily be really fucked.

I know it is so, I asked why it should be so, as in the moral argument behind it. I believe that if something can't be morally supported, it will collapse in due time. For example, our current conception of the state from the 1900s. It's outdated.

Because the state (in a republic) is public property and thus also my property

I consider myself a citizen of my state and my state considers me its citizen.

My ancestors created it and I intend to work for it's sake.

Why should anyone from abroad have any rights to my state than me.

He neither considers himself a part of it, nor he will work for it's betterment.


It's called freedom of association and it's a basic human right.

If he wants to live here, I should be allowed to decline the fact that any of my tax dollars go to programs that support him and every other useless immigrant that is a net negative

why should there be a state ?

That's what I'm saying the state is banning them from work and then calling them illegal. Counter-productive.
No one can leech from your money of you don't put in on the table.

So... we'll just share the countries? Does Syria become a Swedish province or does Sweden become a Syrian province? Which one is true and why is that so? I'm curious about the implications.

You should be able to do that or taxes should be eliminated altogether.
That's easy to say but both philosophically and legally it isn't so obvious. If it was I would be able to go build my house in the public park or the forest. But I can't because it's not really my property.

we can't save all these people. that is just life. we could do a little more though.

Because my ancestors built it from nothing over thousands of years, and because we the people will kill anyone who tries to take it from us.

I understand taxes to keep the state itself running. I don't understand why Taniqua with her 9 niglets should get my money to do literally nothing and raise 9 kids that will do literally nothing

Just leave you obviously are selecting arguements that you feel are easiest to debate. At the end of the day a country may be a social construct, but a necessary one. It helps maintain a safe place for one culture to live in. Some ancestors were better at building them than others. There for we chose the rights for our state Sucks to suck.
>tdlr the world doesn't owe those refugees shit

Because your ancestors built that state for you. They went to war so their children and the children of their children could have it better than them. If you can't even do the same, most people in the world would judge you as a scum spitting on their grave.

forget it. minor drain.

None of these, basically they should just be able to buy a house and live there without the state stopping them because they're not citizens.
Yeah it's fucked up. Socialism.
Can you go to the Indian Deli and get something for free because your ancestors built the country he lives in? No, these things can't be measured. We deal in money.

A greek talking about anacaps and rights.

Pay your debts euronigger.

>But I can't because it's not really my property.
No, you can't because it's my property as well. It's shared property between the citizen of a republic

PAY

Then someone comes along because you violated the NAP by not allowing his company to maintain the roads so he kills both of you with a drone strike and takes all of your shit

If it's my property and your property, then it's no ones property. Even worsez it's the governments property. We didn't get any shares for it. Nor can we decide on its fate. Only metaphysically is it 'ours'. And even then, its not ours by name, it's our 'nations'.

I will take my sick trips in German cheese n sausage n mustard. I'm starving, yo.

Why shoul dyou have more rights to your wallet than Tyrese the Crackhead?

Because i was fucking born here. This is my country of origin. If you're born abroad and end up emigrating, that's still 2 countries where you can be. "BUT MUH PERSECUTION, MUH WAR, MUH POVERTY" That's still a country you can legally live in. No matter how shit, you still have one more country to live in than i do.

>Why should you have more rights to your body than a literal rapist?

That is figuratively what's being asked here.

Because you run the state for yourself, not for others

>If you didn't give them shit for free, they wouldn't come.
doubtful

>If it's my property and your property, then it's no ones property
That's not true. It's the property of all citizens and the citizens can decide what to do with it if enough people agree

You almost baited me into giving a well thought out reply but then I saw the flag so I'll just tell you to pay denbts instead

Why do you think they're in Western Europe?
It's because they get free things. Otherwise they'd stop way earlier.

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>The point I'm trying to say is that our aesthetic vision of the world doesn't give us any rights on it.
Of course it does, city planning is a thing. We agree upon common rules to make our living spaces as nice of a place as possible.

Besides, shantytowns always infringe on the property rights of someone. You think any landowner willingly agrees to have a bunch of fire-hazard shacks on his land?
It's just that once refugees are on it the police goes "sorry we can't do anything right now you'll be compensated maybe move along"

Because a Syrian refugee should have more rights to Syria's state than me

>Why do you think they're in Western Europe?
Because Western European countries are countries of abundance compared to their shithole, regardless of free government handouts.

Because I pay the state while the Refugee takes money from the state.

Because I entered into a social contract with it.

I wonder about something.

How would ancap society react on rapefugee waves like the ones that happen right now? Lynches? Would they build a wall?

Well seeing as you didn't physically enter into a contract with the state, the state can change it any time and welcome a gazillion immigrants without telling you. In fact they do every year, I can't remember the exact number for the UK. It's in the hundreds of thousands.

>Greasy Greek thinks he understands property rights

Good meme.

Color me surprised that a collectivist doesn't have arguments.

I'm paying for the damn thing?

Because Syrian refugees are 70 - 90 % male and my culture doesn't say men can own 4 women who can't be sluts.

I've got nothing against individual Syrian people, I just did some maths and decided it wouldn't improve quality of life for everyone.

until my taxes are lowered to zero, I must do all I can to reduce the waste

>What gives you the right to stop them from doing that

Every country has the right to control their immigration.

I have to pay taxes so my phoney state can defend me with the potatoes it calls a police force.
The refugee receives benefits just for being foreign.

Big fucking difference.

Yes and they have more right to Syria than I do.

It's not my fault they destroyed their own nation

Because I've been paying taxes to the fucking state for over 20 years.

Yeah, a Greek would turn to ancap lol

Because you have to be a citizen to pay tax, and refugees are stateless.

Since I see a lot of Dutch posters I think you should vote for an anti-socialist party this year (if you have any). Someone who is for low taxes and cutting down the (((EU))) funds.

This holy shit this thread

>hey Ahmed, you of citizenship now
>pay taxes

How's the refugee situation in Monaco?

Strength is the rule of law of this land.

Only Strength, you want to "own" something? Be strong enough to kill anyone who would try to take it from you. The laws of this land are stronger than the individual they protect property because all people are not equal.

All people are not equal, therefore some are smarter than others and know how to use resources better. People who know how to use resources in the best way benefit everyone in the society they contribute too.

The only refugees they get are the ones from Manor and Sauber, once a year.

Which means it's not property at all. Property is that which you have exclusive control over.

For 'public property' to be 'property', (((someone))) must be granted exclusive control over it.

This is why communism fails in all circumstances where the number of 'comrades' exceed that of an extended family.

All white nationalists do is try to make up excuses as to why other white people should give them preferred treatment over non-whites. That's why conservative white Christians consider them no better than socialists and anti-racists.

A 'migrant laborer' from Syria helped with some building with my house and sent money back to his wife and kids. He was fine.

I don't get it with 'refugees' who are all male.

In the Anglosphere we say 'women and children first' when we're evacuating and getting people to safety.

PVV?
Alot of dutchmen agree.

They're not that anti-soc though, that would be the classical-liberal party called VNL.

Damn that's some tight banter

The first post

Just so happens to be the best post

True story from Greece, the refugees get saved and then leave their babies to the Coastguard. When urged to take them, they reply with "Don't worry, we'll have others".

They 100% always lean to the left and vote democrats/multi culti marxist crap etc, whether it be a syrian, jewish, African etc.

Actually I'd go as far as saying that they where born to lean left on the political spectrum naturally.
And who can blame them? they want THERE people to be in power, MORE FREE GIBS.
They would be absolutely BRAINLESS to vote conservative or a right wing political party.

My point is giving a Syrian refugee rights they will undeniably vote to democratic globalists and contribute to the white genociding master plan.

please watch this.
youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU

>What gives you the right to stop them from doing that as long as they don't infringe on your property?
They're infringing on our country and we have every single right in the entire fucking WORLD TO TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF

FUCK OFF YOU GREASY FUCKING CUNT STELIOS

FUCK OFF

>PVV
>not socialist.

They literally copied the socialist party's program and added some anti-Islam measures.

Either way, being anti taxes is stupid.
This is exactly how Greece went bankrupt.
You can be against government spending, but not against taxes that keep us from becoming Greece 2.0

All people lean towards their tribe biologically.

It just hasn't been fashionable to talk about it for the last 60 years.

I see all the benefits this world was granted by whites and western civilization.

Modern medicine, the Scientific method, countless inventions.

That is something that is unique to the white race and is reason enough to fight to preserve it as it always has been.

Basically you get enough refugees in and you have a guarentee victory on your Marxist/Socialist/leftist party, since its the refugees only choice.... and the obvious one.

Our right-wing and left-wing are starting to fraction.
We've got a Labour member who's split from his party and decided to become Labour minus Immigration.
Then there's the Freedom Party, who's known among Sup Forums, he's soaring in the polls, and he'll fuck the EU.
We gained one right-wing party who wants binding referenda, and one binding referendum on the EU, which will fuck the EU.
We also have an interesting party who wants to constantly poll their constituents to determine what action the party takes in parliament, akin to a direct democracy, which will fuck the EU.

All of a sudden our Tory party and our Christian Democrats want to insert a "Seat-threshold" for a party to enter parliament, meaning small starting parties have no chance to get in.

Shit's stirring here.

We don't have a "tory" party. PVV is not socialist, that is a meme that had marginal relevance in 2011.

You people vote? Damn, feelsbadman.

because I'll fight to protect my people and our state.

whereas Mohammed bin fuckface by definition has refused to fight for his

Nice. You should get to express your opinions because a lot of the EU shit is done with your money so it's only fair to decide what's next. This is what democratic people actually believe.
You're right. I realize the problem now. If you let them in, they will vote to tax you further, so it's not going to work.

That really makes me wonder 'what the hell do these people want?' or 'what the hell do they think Europeans are into?'

Have you got links on that?

this is true. my countrymen have created a perpetual state of war perhaps to prop our economy? or maybe it has to do with ensuring that oil is still bought and sold with usd? whatever the reason there have certainly been unintended consequences