Thinking about buying a gun for home protection. Is it even worth getting a shotgun, not like you can shoot it in a home?
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Charles Wilson
>shotgun
>simple
>lethal at HD ranges
>low penetration
>legal almost anywhere
Other than being LOUD (like most guns), a shotgun's an OK pick.
Anthony Hughes
To be honest it's more responsible for your neighbors if you had to shoot. Some rifles will go through walls and into a neighbor's house. A shotgun won't. Ideally you won't ever have to shoot it. Pumping that thing one time in the dark is enough to make an intruder who isn't completely nuts or on drugs run the fuck away.
Christopher Campbell
shotgun is best home defense
Brandon Smith
Then I might as well just buy a handgun. Cheaper seems like anyway? I thought the motto was if you pull out your gun, you're going to use it?
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Tyler Sanchez
Best choice is highly debatable, but as far as being worth it let's just say that's where I decided to start.
Joshua Garcia
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Brody Ramirez
Why can't you shoot it in a home?
William Gray
shotgun is the best HD weapon, get one with an 18" barrel and attach a light to it, use 00 buckshot and you got yourself the ultimate home defense gun
Jayden Wilson
Shotguns are a bad choice unless it's a semi, and even then recoil can be a serious issue for novice shooters. The best HD weapon is an AR platform carbine, I'm not joking either. Low recoil, easy follow up shots, effective round, large magazine good for multiple invaders (it's now a thing where 6-8 niggers break in at once)
Joshua Long
Cheaper? Doesn't get much cheaper than a shot gun unless you want like a nice one. And if it's your first gun then you should spend the money learning to use before deciding what you really need.
As for the motto, that depends on the laws in your state. Where I live, if I get it out and the guy runs off, that saves us both a lot of trouble, and he's getting nowhere if he comes back to sue me for being unhappy he broke into my house.
William Walker
I'm no military expert but it seems to me a shotgun would work better for more open space? It seems like a long object to clear a house with?
Jacob Barnes
>Recoil meme
This isn't cod m8 , shotguns don't blast your entire body backwards, especially shit like 12 gauge
Stop playing vidya and go to the shooting range
Caleb Sullivan
You are nuts. It shoots through the drywall inner walls easily, and depending on the wall, through the exterior ones as well.
Shotgun with #4 or 00 buck, if you can't handle the recoil from a 12 gauge (lightweight little woman) then get a 20 gauge.
David Gomez
Buying a bottom of the barrel cheap gun for HD is a very bad idea. Pump shotguns are especially bad because unless you train often it's very easy to shortstroke and jam the weapon under stress.
Alexander James
Shotguns aren't as long as they appear on TV and shit. They're super maneuverable if you aren't retarded. I especially like them because even my wife can hit someone with her eyes closed if they tried to break into my house
Jackson James
This is truth. Shotguns possess a power to intimidate unlike almost any other small arm. Bonus points if you fix bayonet first.
Jacob Brooks
>shotgun
>Low penetration
Noguns detected. 00 buck will absolutely rip through drywall, and you've got a cloud of lead to contain instead of a single round.
The ideal HD gun is an AR loaded with 75gr rounds like Hornady TAP.
Gabriel Ross
>>low penetration
Nigga what?
Angel Johnson
>
A shotgun will shred drywall too genius.
Parker Brooks
Remington 870 is affordable
Chase Richardson
Even my wife who is 120lbs soaking wet can handle a12 gauge , that guy clearly has never fired a weapon.
Xavier Flores
>Implying anyone gives a shit about their easily fixed drywall if an intruder is in the house
Are you like 16 years old?
Jaxon Richardson
As long as it's an older 870 before they got cucked by Freedom Group.
>buying new remshit
NO.
Cooper King
Shotguns are awesome but they are not low penetration. Buckshot retains almost all its energy through soft cover.
Luis Parker
>not short barrel AR in 300 blackout with silencer
Matthew Murphy
You're a fucking retard.
>baited me into replying
9lb loaded 870 which holds 7+1 and can be easily jammed by a noguns like OP, vs a 7lb AR with 30 rounds in semi with low recoil and quick follow up shots that won't easily jam.
Blake Butler
>#4 or 00
>not .65 double roundball
Easton Robinson
Like, like, like, learn to use your words fuckface
Charles Jackson
Even better.
James Hughes
>is american
>doesnt already own a gun
Disgraceful
Alexander Watson
It truly is, though at least he's trying to sort his shit out
Jackson Martin
I'm not trying to argue that an AR isn't better. Just that shot guns can be had cheap and that the difference doesn't matter enough without enough practice to make that decision.
Gavin Morris
>.300 memeout suppressed
.45acp suppressed is much better than memeout inside of 45yds
Nicholas Baker
You can buy a brand new AR for $600. That's pretty fucking cheap
Logan Cruz
Buy a used good condition Mossberg 500 from a pawn shop and load up on bird shot (less penetration but still massive crippling damage).
Bentley Cooper
>shotgun bayonet
Thing must be a bloody sword
Kayden Flores
Agreed. Old 870's are almost impossible to find now, as now one will sell them. Mossberg is the way to go currently.
Alexander Lopez
be better getting a nice camera system that can't get fucked up. should have a gopro on ur glock anyway.
Luke Clark
>needing sleep
>not hiding in the dark shadows like you're invading your own home with a knife
>not feeding them their own heart
it's like you don't even like living.
Liam Howard
Why, so the home invader doesn't die and can sue you later?
Matthew Ramirez
nothing better for home defense than a pump shotgun with buck shot.
get a Remington 870 20 gauge.
>smaller, more maneuverable
>more than enough stopping power
>slightly less recoil, better follow up shots
Aaron Nelson
buckshot is weak ass bullshit and the low capacity is shitty too.
do you have people living with you or near you?
buckshot might be fine, but stick with 3" shells at least.
if you're in a rural area go with a rifle...
Camden Howard
Get bean bag rounds or make rock salt rounds.
Both are nonlethal, hurt like a bitch and salt rock rounds can leave some nasty ass scars. When the intruder gets out of jail maybe he'll see that scar from getting shot on the chest with salt and think twice about doing it again.
Henry Campbell
Kill yourself
Grayson Stewart
>00 buck will absolutely rip through drywall
American detected. It's quite fine when you have an actual house with brick walls.
>The ideal HD gun for a trained shooter is an SBR loaded with 75gr 5.56 rounds like Hornady TAP.
ftfy. For shooters with very little training, it might not be the best pick.
>Fixing your shotgun bayonet indoors
I like your style, but it'll just get in the way.
Joshua Adams
AR-15 is good. Accurate hits and follow up shots are important, and AR's excel at that.
Ethan Cook
You can kill with bird shot - trust me. Also, if someone breaks into your home and threatens your family, the lawsuit will for sure be thrown out in any normal American state.
By the way, the family can still sue you if the perpetrator dies...
Ayden Cruz
cops were using shotguns for years, they kept getting BTFO bad by criminals with rifles.
The rifle is the most effective weapon for home defense.
Colton Nguyen
Don't do this, you'll end up in jail.
Nathaniel Brown
Or he could just use proper ammunition and ventilate the cunt and then he's guaranteed not to do it again?
Jordan Torres
Mossberg Blaze .22 is your best option for home defense.
Don't buy into the meme-15
Liam Bell
>birdshot
>for self defense
top kek might as well get a bb gun
Christopher Russell
Hardly. Shotgun is top tier for close range combat. Point and shoot.
Ryan Reed
Jeez, look on the (((You))tube there is plenty of info.
Jordan Perry
Clearly you've never shot a 12 gauge bird shot round... Shit kicks.
Aaron Turner
Why scopes ur not a sniper...
Henry Cruz
>Jamal the po boy who dindu nuffin is now permanantly crippled where your birdshot destroyed his shoulder and now soaks up tax dollars
Vs
>Jamal the home invader lying on the autopsy table with a 3" hole where his lung and heart used to be
Parker Phillips
You're a fucking complete retard and you need to kill yourself. Shotguns are the perfect home-defense weapon because you load the thing with bird shot, not buck shot. Bird shot will not penetrate walls and it is ideal for someone waking up, groggy in the middle of the night to an intruder.
Isaac Johnson
for the money and ammo capacity why not a SKS?
Hudson Ortiz
>MY GOVERNMENT WONT LET ME OWN AN AA12: THE ULTIMATE IN NEGRO REPELLENT
Josiah Campbell
Absolutely disgusting,
Moist Nugget is best home defense weapon.
Miss? Just throw it like a javelin and pick up one of the other 50 that come in the crate.
Nathan Evans
for home defense birdshot will be preferable.
birdshot loads are heavier than buckshot loads because less volume is space between pellets instead of pellet.
at 10-20 feet, the birdshot will maintain a cloud about half the size of your first. hitting someone anywhere will be absolutely devastating, and they'll go into shock almost immediately. you can expect up to 6 inches of penetration at the center of the cloud, and the drop in blood pressure and blood loss due to the complete pulverization of grapefruit sized portion of the targest body.
there is very little or no risk of overpenetration with birdshot, even if you miss.
00 buckshot is basically nine .38 rounds. you can stop soft targets out to 75 yards with 00 buckshot, and easily at 50, were you'll be getting 3-4 foot groups that make it hard to miss. these are excellent qualities, but not necessary for home defense, which is going to be point blank or extremely close quarters.
Ayden Harris
>Handgun
Not unless you train properly with it.
You should give a shit about penetrating drywall, because unless you have X-Ray vision, you don't know what or who is behind them.
>Using DIY nonlethal ammunition in a civilian self-defence situation
You sound like you really want to go to pound-me-in-the-ass federal prison. Bring some lube, you'll need it for Jamal.
Isaac Anderson
You are a fucking retard. Non lethal rounds will get YOU thrown in jail. Are you even a gun owner? Is that just a proxy?
Camden Ramirez
Whatever you say Biden. Make sure to fire one in the air first to scare them off first too
Austin Campbell
Your an idiot, you you had the advantage until you threw him the most powerful weapon in the world.
James Powell
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Ryder Miller
He wont have ammo if you buy it all first
Andrew Kelly
>not like you can shoot it in a home?
You can if you need to, if you do not absolutely need to, you should not.
Get a pump action gun, the sound alone may be all you need to clear the area of free-lance socialists intent on sharing the wealth. Less cleanup.
Jason Russell
Okay biden.
John Williams
watch the school shooter video by active self protection on youtube dude shoots an old lady with birdshot from 5 feet and nothing happens
Kevin Ramirez
Fucker will hear you cock that gun, shit himself, and bolt.You don't always have to actually shoot to defend yourself.
My uncle and father were in the military for years. Both asked my sister how the fuck she expected to aim a rifle in a high stress situation where you have seconds on the line. Both said to get a shotgun. No aiming required and buck shot will injure them enough to scare them away.
I personally use inferno pepper spray because it is the most painful that is legally allowed. My state doesn't consider it a weapon and I'd rather not shoot my neighbors since I live in an apartment.
Logan Barnes
>he doesn't carry at least 5 stripper clips of 7.62x54 at all times
shiggydig
Austin Turner
>Hardly. Shotgun is top tier for close range combat. Point and shoot.
Except the pellets don't penetrate worth a damn. Not to mention the distance inside a house isn't enough for any significant spread.
From one end of a room to another the spread is about the size of a quarter, not enough to matter.
You might as well use a fucking rifle.
Gabriel Ramirez
This
A 12 gauge shotgun with birdshot can put someone down in close quarters, while the shot still loses enough kinetic energy after hitting a wall or two to pose less danger to anyone or anything behind it. You have to take into consideration what's behind your target, such as other people who live with you. Also, depending on what choke you have on it, you don't have to worry too much about aiming because of the spread, unlike rifles or pistols that are a single round.
Second choice would be a pistol with civil defence rounds that are designed to stop in the first thing that they hit.
Luis Brown
It is probably illegal where you are to saw off part of the barrel, if the rooms in your house are to tight to turn around while holding a shotgun. So don;t do that mo matter what.
Justin Jenkins
Any gun will ideally work form home defense. Shotgun isn't bad; its a versatile gun that can be used for a wide variety of purposes depending on the load. Downsides, of course, are the comparatively slow follow up shots and comparatively large size of the firearm. Its more difficult to maneuver a full sized shotgun through smaller spaces, like hallway corners, than other weapons.
A pistol is fast and offers a substantial speed increase in terms of follow up shots and larger magazine capacity, though there's a marginal skill requirement above the shotgun. Shotgun spread isn't as huge as people think, but it does still have spread (variable depending on your choke).
A rifle would be my choice, if only for the substantial magazine size increase. Something like an AR-15 or one of the endless AK derivatives will allow you to dump a lot of fire on somebody in a very short period of time, and the longer sight profile helps with aim while not being too large to maneuver effectively.
At the end of the day, its a matter of what you're most comfortable using and training with. Buying 'the ideal HD gun' won't do you any good if you hate to shoot the fucking thing and never train with it.
Connor Johnson
A shotgun is exactly what you should get.
Cameron Jackson
>>low penetration
He probably should have said lower penetration than a high velocity rifle cartridge. I imagine buckshot would penetrate less than 308. But also it is stupid to think that buckshot and slugs won't penetrate enough to make it completely not a concern. You should always be concerned with where the bullet will go should you miss or pass through a target.
Also manipulating a shotgun for reloading can be significantly more complicated for most common types of shotguns with a fixed magazine tube in terms dropping a detachable magazine and putting in a new one from most modern rifles/handguns. I guess if you have to reload a detachable magazine, then that would be slower than reloading the magazine tube.
Jason Clark
Any gun that you are going to rely on to save your life, you should practice with.
Julian Brown
You will miss with anything but a shotgun. Trust me i was terrible. Shotgun you just point in general direction and pull trigger
Charles Gutierrez
Anyone got a screencap from the post on /k/ when the guy shot an intruder with a shotgun?
Josiah Rivera
>No aiming required
The spread on a shotgun is trivial within the distances inside a home.
You DO still need to aim, you would have to be a fucking retard like Joe Biden to think otherwise.
Angel Wilson
Not taking the bait here
Ryan Cruz
looks painful to me
Julian James
>You should give a shit about penetrating drywall, because unless you have X-Ray vision, you don't know what or who is behind them.
2 niggers for one shoot? Shiiiet
Lincoln Clark
anyone who spends even one split second trying to 'scare off' an intruder by alerting them to the fact that you have a shotgun with sound, and giving away your position, is just begging to be killed and your wife be raped.
stupidest fucking thing i've ever heard. the intruder doesn't know where you are or that you're up and armed - you either move into position or you wait until you have a shot on him and then you drop him. there is no alternative course of action. if you do it right he won't even realize he's dead.
literally nothing personal kid.
Jaxon Martinez
only thing i would consider home defense.
handguns are ok for personal defense, but the sound of a shotgun cocking can protect the entire house
Nolan Baker
Don't be a retard like Joe Biden.
Get a handgun or a rifle.
Bentley Sullivan
>liberal detected
John Perry
>By the way, the family can still sue you if the perpetrator dies...
Perhaps, but if Tyrone is dead, he cant lie in court.
Cameron Jackson
>not having a stack of Kar98k's next to your bed
2/10, would not operate with
Sebastian Young
best HD gun is a G17 with a flashlight and laser
gtfo
Juan Cooper
there is no bait. shotguns don't spread like in video games. birdshot is ideal for home defense.
this, there is no appreciable spread at these ranges, it might as well just be firing a .76 calibre bullet.
Angel Powell
but that doesn't happen in cod either
Michael Watson
>be leaf
>haveguns
Greatest feeling second only to being an American
Noah Powell
"the sound of a shotgun cocking' can get you killed. drop that meme. if you have to load a round into the chamber in a home defense situation you need to muffle it or do it slowly as possible so you don't alert the intruder to yourself.
Jacob Gray
So... not many intruders then, is what you're saying?