Why is immigration "necessary"

Help me out Sup Forums. I hear SJWs and Cuck lefties say, all the time, that immigration from the third world is necessary for European countries that these people be imported.

Why is it apocalyptic if populations shrink naturally?

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they want an easy to manipulate lower class just like in america

So I'm correct in assuming it's just a political ploy to weaken Western (White) countries. I'm looking for some reasons that natural population shrinking might be devastating but it doesn't seem as if that's the case.

it has nothing to do with race imo, its all about numbers for governments and companies. If their own population wont grow they will import people so that their system doesnt crumble under the pressure of having a lot of old people etc.

So it's essentially the weakness of the Welfare state constantly needing more people paying in that causes states to import more people to theoretically pay taxes and vote for those systems

Wonder when the juden will make a Arab version of /BLACKED/

I personally can't wait.

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>I hear SJWs and Cuck lefties say
stopped reading there

>Why is it apocalyptic if populations shrink naturally?

Because the welfare system needs more people to sustain itself and the main voter base is people either on some form of assistance or getting there soon with retirement so politicians need to cater to them to stay in power.

pretty much.. that's why Merkel allowed them all to move freely into EU countries. It may spike economy but its the EU economic policies that didn't work now we will see a huge breakup of the EU and probably a breakup of NATO

This explains it

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tl;dr not enough workers to support welfare. Government decides to run the country as a ponzi scheme.

keynes = politics + economics
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Cronie Socialism... Its the Bankers and Lobbyist in EU fucking the little Socialist countries like Sweden. Maybe if Sweeden didn't rely on Developing Sports cars and Tourism you guys might be true National Socialist.

But all if the refugees are the ones on welfare while the indigenous population pays for it. Was importing millions of welfare leeches part of the plan?

I just tell lefties: Do you see them as products for keeping a nation running i.e. the state? I though you hated the state,,etc. etc.

I go into more stuff, but usually it's to shame them by reversing that smug pride of "refugee welcome" into a moral conundrum.

What a loaded question.

No one is encouraging immigration from third world, they encourage free travel and open borders to all countries to facilitate ease of economic interactions.

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Yes they are, you're either lying or brainwashed.

I think they thought it would work if the refugees would take shitty jobs allowing the indigenious people to strive for better careers. atleast that's how I under stand the socialism iin these EU countries. Same thing happened in the US with the Irish Italian immigrants.

While of course as those immigrants age, more immigration will be required, and in turn those immigrants ... we are destroying our countries for a depressingly retarded ponzi scheme.

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I still don't understand why you need more peoples.

First if you think the population number is low, you can encourage making more children by various family support programs.

Second, why you need immigrants? The whole Europe have an median 15% unemployment rate, and some of them are actually qualified, but instead, you import some niggers who dont even know basic English, not talking about qualification for work.

So, what's left, is because you want to change from white to brown, or what?

SJW and other idiots don't really have an answer OP, they just believe it's "good".

Yeah, I tell them what you typed too. Lefties can't stand being cornered. Every time I do it it turns into "I know nothing and not educated." Then I tell them they act like elitists, which even makes them more mad because they view themselves as the "people?"

They send masses of people who are impossible to integrate. Then make countries take huge loans to try and pay for their integration. Now guess who benefits from those loans.

>I hear SJWs and Cuck lefties say


This right here should tell you that it's all bullshit, and their ilk is full of lies.

>I don't encourage New Orleans getting flooded
>I just encourage removing the levies that stop it from getting flooded

>Now guess who benefits from those loans

Yes, I wonder...hmmm...

Sorry I don't understand, can you explain in detail?

Immigration is necessary but not from the 3rd world.

The EU can sustain itself perfectly fine with all the eastern Europeans already here.

because whites reproduce at below replacement levels and live in societies that have socialist systems like national healthcare, pensions and educations.

all of these national institutions are funded through tax dollars. when there is no next generation of white babies, or when there are not enough white babies, there are not enough tax payers and the demographics become top heavy.

there is just not enough $ raised through taxation to support the old ageing and dying boomers.

hence the globalists demand that we import shitskins to work crummy jobs and help with societies tax burden.

what they dotn realise is that these shitskins dont want to do this, they just want their gibs and to rape white women.

well if we can for once get some conservative people focused on our education system we might change something here in the US

its not about taxes, its about loans and interest on those loans need new money to be created and the only way to create money in this system is more people who take more loans. people in the west think they are rich but all they have is a bunch of loans that need to be repaid with new loans.

There's literal evidence that the migrants are directed by the UN and Soros funded organisations. While Soros saying that countries should take loans to pay for the integration of millions of muslims. It's classic kikes wanting to drown the world in loans at any cost.

no, they just need to keep coming generations from being smaller then the previous ones

yeah if we stopped divorcing and just started having more children it would help. they are trying to divide whites

It's to counteract the baby boom.

It's not something we'll need forever, just the next 25 years or so until all the boomers are dead.

if i'm spam, fuck you

aesthetics

concerning when they say that there will be no pure Germans left by 2045

whats the problem?

they uncuck themselves or go extinct, its their own choice

also you, fuck face

>just the next 25 years

kek

ahmed is mad

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Dude? What's your problem?

>It's not something we'll need forever, just the next 25 years or so until all the boomers are dead.
by then it you will all be outnumbered by shitskins and living under sharia

when we come to cleanse europe we are going to oven you cucks as well

your cuck genetics are doomed by their hands or ours, only you can save yourselves

I'm spamming this thread, litteraly

look at his flag, there's only muslims living in that country by now

hefty pay for the unused hotels

swedish cuck believeing the jewish lie
the decine of needed workers are exponential. robots>humans

For the same reason liberals are adverse to talking about overpopulation. The growth based economy cannot exist with any sort of shrinking.

Like I said: we have enough Polish, Hungarians, Romanians, etc to fill the gap.

No need for Africans whatsoever.

Lot of cumskin cucks crying itt. Protip: mayonnaise is not a culture.

Just my two cents. These duplicitous cunts bang on about corporations, yet the left is constantly found to be in bed with them. What do the corporations want? Cheap labor, how do they get it? 3rd world immigration and outsourcing. So this ends up serving a few purposes. Immigration gets rid of those pesky whites and their demand for decent wages. It creates a permanent underclass that is reduced to suckling off of the government tit just to get by. That underclass in turn votes in more and more leftists until the system caves in on itself while those at the top have already fled to another country after robbing the population blind.

I was in a class where the professor was almost ecstatic about the white population of America being projected to slump below 50% and ranting on about how Europe needs migration to keep their numbers up for the economy. I can't help but think instead of importing 3rd world hordes, why not make conditions more favorable for raising a family at home. But nope, whitey has to die, we have to stomp out 30% of the worlds population because we set up the framework for all the cool shirt to happen.

So why don't they import people from Spain or Greece or other Western countries with severe unemployment?

>Why is immigration "necessary"

Jesus Christ!

So many autist here!

55+ replies and not one mention of the real reason: CHEAP LABOR.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, FOLLOW THE MONEY.

There literally will never be enough thanks to the eternal growth meme.

these migrants don't work though, it's not corporations it's the banks and the (((politicians))) who are in bed with them

nope, look at the employment of immigrants

but these people are all part of hte union and can move freely among hte nations can they not? whats stopping them?

neither is watermelon and fried chicken

You are nothing more than cattle.
money > your dead family
the burger knows what's up

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The absolute truth is - we live in countries that are basically run like businesses.

Less people = less consumption = fractional % of "profit" (GDP) loss = this is somehow bad.

A country/government should solely exist to keep its people safe / happy / secure, but capitalism has turned our countries into enormous businesses.

>(((Rosenberg)))
More lies. Labour has literally nothing to do with immigration.

>55+ replies and not one mention of the real reason: CHEAP LABOR.

You did not real all comments, the point was, those immigrants barely know English and have no qualifications, look at Germany, from 2 millions immigrants 50 got a job this year, so this speculation have no support.

>ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, FOLLOW THE MONEY.

You are right here, many valid roads to fallow now.

think of the long term effects friendo, the children and grandchildren of the immigrants will either become cheap lower class workers or middleclass whitecollar workers.

its an investment that they hope will pay off in 80 or so years

(((((((Rosenburg)))))))

No they won't, second and third generation immigrants have even LOWER employment and respect for the country than first generation. Stop spreading this bullshit, you're just feeding into their narrative.

It's not about growth.

It's about keeping the population size stable.
A straight column would be ideal.

Really really naive thinking you can integrate most of them, especially Pakis.

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Pensions and social security is a huge factor in this. All healthy pension schemes requires there to be orders of magnitude more young people paying in to it, than old folks living off it. This creates a indisputable demand for constant population growth. Thus when native birth rates fail, immigration must take its place lest the old folks, including aging politicians, mind you, goes broke and have to rely on the charity of the kids they fucked over in the divorce in the 80's and 90's. Simplest reason, follow the money.

Inb4 immigrants cost more than they generate.

Yes, in hindsight they do. Remember that opening the borders and status quo to immigration was already a desperate measure, and there is way to much political momentum and prestige tied up in this to back out now

Even more retarded when considering that Sweden is the prime example of muslim immigrants being unable to integrate and become more radical with each generation. And they still parrot this kike bullshit about workforce.

It's not. It's just an attempt to maintain artificially high economic growth.

im not saying it will pay off but its way easier for them to open the floodgates than to try to lure european immigration. Also i dont think your statemnt about third generation immigrants is true

>he children and grandchildren of the immigrants will either become cheap lower class workers or middleclass whitecollar workers.

No, they will become angry and frustrated.

They grow up in our countries but don't get the same wealth as the native population has.
When they become teenagers they rebel against society and become criminals or worse.
They WILL NOT become happy lower classes workers, that's just not how it works.

>immigration from third world is necessary
No, immigration is sometimes necessary when you need to fill a gap in the workforce that your own population cannot fill. Importing uneducated third world niggers does not help your country, since it now not only has to find them jobs, but it has to support their education to receive those jobs, remove housing options from national citizens, and place a greater burden on a better-trained population to provide for the third-worlder until he or she can catch up (which in most cases, they don't and instead opt for welfare and having 100 children, who then also go on welfare).

Liberals are truly the scum of the earth. They have no ability to reason or think outside of the predefined ideological compartments.

>All healthy pension schemes requires there to be orders of magnitude more young people paying in to it, than old folks living off it.

Not ours.
Here everybody saves up for their own pension.

Only problem is boomers aren't happy with being the richest elderly people in human history, so now they want to tax the young so they can go on holiday 5 times a year instead of just 4.

>le follow the le money
>don't worry about the fact that they actually cost money :^)
>it's about cheap labor silly goy
I'm amazed that you can say bullshit like that with one breath.
This cognitive dissonance again "it might cost a shitton of money but it's easier than not spending money". The fuck. Also don't care what you think, it's a fact.
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"Liberals" didn't open the borders.
Right-wing parties (granted they are called Liberals in Europe) did.

what is a country with declining birth rates supposed to do?

>what is a country with declining birth rates supposed to do?

More support family programs?

Promote and insensitive traditional families

Encourage young couples by providing them with decent houses. Also if it really became that bad people would start breeding anyways, that's how humans work. This kike propaganda of "hurrr we need immigrants to pay taxes (ps. they don't work or pay taxes btw ;^))" is just total bullshit meant for distraction from the real issue.

Sweden is fine, so don't waste your votes on SD who hate the white working class

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Unprecedented economic growth in the post world War 2 period apparently needs warm bodies to keep piling into our countries for the rest of eternity or else the economy is going to level out at some point. Or something like that. Kind of sounds like a pyramid scheme when lefties explain it.

And God forbid spics get paid more than a dollar an hour doing manual labor and actually producing value, but they'll be damned if they'll pour coffee for less than $20/hr.

this takes too long, there are better options if you only care about numbers which the people in chagrge do, when almost the whole country has reached middle class they stop making babies which is why they want to import a new lower class just like in the US

and no its not simply muh white genocide at work

>when almost the whole country has reached middle class they stop making babies

I am not sure how this can be true, because is illogical for me.

>there are better options
No there literally isn't. Stop with the propaganda or I'll have to assume that you're a shill.

It's not about genocide, that's a distraction also. It's about bankers wanting to drown western countries in debt. Why do you think they don't give a shit about eastern europe. It's not because it's "le based" and whatever, it's because we're already drowned in debt. Now they want to milk the western countries. This is why they fought tooth and nail against Trump, literally none of his policies matter other than the fact that he wants to decrease the national debt.
That's how these bankers make their money and they get "politicians" to lobby for migrants who will cause more and more debt with each passing year. If you think Sweden is doing good then you're delusional, you're already going down in debt super hard. Money doesn't grow on trees, do consider how can your country supply such a high standard of living and welfare for immigrants for so long.

If you fall for any of the "workforce/population" propaganda or racebaiting then you're literally feeding into their narrative.

But a high national debt is good... I mean it's meaningless... I mean... buy my new iPhone goyim

There's a lot of misinformation spread that are all deliberately contradictory but in reality it's all about creating as much debt as possible. There's literal evidence for it and this is what they've been doing for centuries but people are still too brainwashed to "follow the money".

Even if all social programs were abolished Europe would still "need" immigrants because in our system of consumption GDP growth is god and if the population isn't growing there must be much more value creation happening to compensate.

Europe has had

Fuck off icekike, come back when you have a real country.