Why do (((they))) push climate change so much?

Why do (((they))) push climate change so much?

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Both an excuse to continue weather modification programs and a bountiful new tax stream

Because (((they))) own oil companies and have a vested interest in the public not switching away from their fossil fuels.

Oh wait I thought you asked "Why do (((they))) deny climate change so much?"

> muh chinese conspiracy meme
> muh they want to make us all drive prius meme

do you faggots also refuse vaccines, or are you selective about what to be a retard on

>chinese conspiracy
huh? i dont get the relevance

Geoengineering/weather mod programs = (((climate change)))

shekels

redistribution of wealth

Peakoil

Population reduction, population control, energy control and carbon rax scam.

>Why do (((they))) push climate change so much?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That's what it is all about.

because its real

>be climate change scientist
>"Everyone, cool your tits. My data shows that there is no climate change."
>Suddenly no need for climate change scientist

Climate change is the liberal arts degree of the scientific world.

Why do (You) not do your research?

because they care about their grandchildren?

Ecoism beat Nationalism on all levels
The logic of ecoism leads us to think things like
>it doesn't matter what nation you are from
>we are all on this rock together
>we need to protect it as a species
If we as species cried out for global eco laws, who would have the authority to enforce those laws globally?
It would take a global authority. Something akin to the 'New World Order'
They use fear tactics (climate change will kill us all!) to get us to cry out for more eco laws. We end up begging for the 'NWO' to protect us from the fear they instilled in us.
It's really brilliant tactic if you stop and think about it.

Reeeeeeeeee!
>Climate change is real! Please send us money.
>Money will fix it.

>because they care about their grandchildren?
Even Hitler used that argument.

more stolen tax money
billions
UN wants 100B to fight climate problems
lol
100,000,000,000

Green energy and profiting off of it.

you're saying that kikes tell the truth?

Oh, forgot to check flag... Never mind

They want in on the big oil money business, but it's hard. Easier to push that it's bad for the earth and at the same time invest in energy friendly companies.

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Because it's another avenue of control. The parasite leaves no stone unturned when it comes to their goal in bringing down white, industrial society.

It's a transfer of wealth scheme. It ramped up after socialism failed.

>climate change
>carbon credits
>cc
>33

Humans are made of carbon. It is code the occultists use for the global enslavement system, so the cattle don't wise up.

It's the only valid issue they have where everyone actually does agree on something. No one wants to flat out say fuck the earth unless you're playing devil's advocate or you've been touched with nihilism.

But after that consensus of wanting to work to protect the environment they get to dictate how our governmemt has to contribute.

>We have to fund green energy companies!
>We must immediately put regulations on energy sources we dislike!
>We have to make cars reach a particular standard!
>Oh you disagree? Well you just hate the environment, you selfish bastard!

No. I don't want to have our society squander limited resources, but your ideas don't amount to any real change. You want real change? Dismantle cities in favor of small rural communities. Cities are big metal tumors to the ecosystem. And we have to stop using cars all together. At once. They pollute toxins regardless of the amount of effort you try to put in regulating them, and trying to make them electric based makes them suck up more power in the long run. And stop going to the store and buy everything you need to exist. Grow a garden in your backyard for fucks sake.

Oh sorry but that requires us to actually get serious about the issue. If you preach about helping the environment but drive a car or live in the city, fuck you. You're just looking for validation.

>Why do (((they))) push climate change so much?

global dangers are supposed to unite the plebs and make them beg for global measures which will intensify globalization, and bring (((us))) some money.

>Even Hitler used that argument.

Not an argument.

Pollution is bad look at Beijing right now. They are going green and with good reason. Their air is toxic, and pollutes the whole planet. Now add the rest of polluters...

Israel is a desert, their neighbours are sitting on trillion dollar sovereign funds that rely on oil, it's a easy way to attack conservatives, almost no jews are in the oil business, almost all oil jobs go to white men and it gives government an excuse to make everyone poorer.

also this

>and trying to make them electric based makes them suck up more power in the long run.
Green energy cucks love electric cars, hate nuclear power plants. Where do they think all their electricity will come from. Wind? Solar? I like the idea of electric cars but as more hit the road, our grid will suffer.

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There's no true interest in climate change you inbred rat, else the kikes that own factories in SK and China wouldn't ship some 40% of American consumer goods across the Pacific with bunker oil.

>Jews own the oil companies
"No"

Because liberalism is a religion without a god. Since there is no hell or Armageddon in their faith, they must create a terror that compels adherence and hostility toward heretics. Thus, climate change is the hell everyone must avoid and heretics must be punished because they will cause us all to go to "hell."

Snows once in 40 years. OMG! (earth is millions of years old). Liberal math.

There are pragmatic reasons Jews push it as people have said above.

>Global dangers unite the plebs for more globalization
>Israels neighbours are sitting on trillion dollar sovereign wealth funds because of oil
>It's an easy reduced litmus test for attacking conservatives
>Almost no Jews are in oil the business
>It makes millions of white men filthy rich
>It's an excuse to institute carbon taxes and the like, one of the only ways to convince people to reduce their standards of living
>Israel is a desert that stands to lose the most if it's true

>hey goyim, don't you care about the environment? Buy our green products that are 10x more expensive but cost 50% less to make

>hey goyim, never mind the political upheaval going on, we're going to be under water in 10 years!!@@!@!

>hey goyim, we're only controlling you because we want to save the environment. just let us enslave you and tell you what to do. you do want to save your great great great great x10 grand kid from having to move 10 miles from the beach don't you?

gee i wonder why

they can tax the poor so much to drive, that they won't be able to

it's elitism to keep us down. They saw the middleclass getting to uppity

Man-made climate change is real, but the Jews benefit by playing both sides. All politicians and puppetmasters do this--ensure positive outcomes both ways.
Here, if on the one hand, people reject the idea of climate change, the petrodollar and fossil-fuel economy stays solvent for decades, uninhibited, and the Jews win.
On the other hand, the so-called solution is a carbon tax, which enables market manipulation of numbers just using 'carbon credits' as a pretext to get more shekels. Also, endless government cash handouts to renewable 'startups' are extremely wasteful and don't encourage innovation.
tl;dr It's real, but both sides are shilling.

This is the same thing with another one of Sup Forums's favorite topics, sexual degeneracy.
We have a choice to either hold out for morality and not reproduce with or marry non-virgins, thus destroying white brithrates irrevocably, or we could suck it up and marry sluts, who can divorce-rape us, will have shitty marraiges, and raise shitty kids as single mothers.
But either way, (((they))) win.

The best way to get what you want is to make the other guy think like he is making a good alternative choice, but he really just gives you the same thing.

>UN
We need to quit the UN. And tell them to get the fuck out America.

Yeah there's another one I forgot, kikes using government corruption to get retardedly narrow and lucrative green energy contracts. If you see a samsung green energy contract dig a little and you'll see the inbred sand rats are behind it.

t. Ontarian

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Incredibly ignorant statement. Reassess yourself.

because its real and the conservaties are emberessing themself with fighting facts just as they do with fighting evolution.

Our oil companies keep saying "carbon has a half life in the atmosphere of 3-4 years" and nobody seems to have a good answer in response.

There is no consensus among scientists
I hope your not implying CO2 is a pollutant?

Nobody denies climate change you fool, we all know ice ages existed. This the line Liberals love to use but they never say "there isn't anywhere near a consensus on if man made climate change is real, what the impacts are, and if it can be reversed"

Global warming is a scam that's when we were told the world is going to get hotter each year until we all burn up, they ditched that in the mid 2000's.

>Center-right and far-right parties in Europe believe in climate change
>Muslim countries like Malaysia and Singapore too

What is wrong with Republiniggers in America?

>There is no consensus among scientists

80-97% depending on the counting methology (and its 80 only if you count people who have who don't directly study climate) of scientists agreed with a growing number of supporters you call NOT a consesus, come on.

>computer simulations are REAL

cmon man facts are so easy to find baka kys

Climate change is different than man made climate change. You're playing the Jewish word game for them.

a nwo would actually do good for humanity in the long run if done right and there was no kind of corruption in it. but humans are fickle species and we are incapable of truly caring for one another and banding up so world war 3 is more likely. i mean i want a space faring human empire but it wont happen as long as we have things called nations still existing. a true one world goverment could definetly get us off this planet.

Look up Agenda 21

It is just a way to control Western countries and destroy their industrial capabilities

Everyone knows the global climate changes but it is pretty foolish to think that humanity could adversely affect it so dramatically and in such a short timeframe

The more caring you are the more easily you're controlled

Hmmm, I wonder who has the incentive to push their side of their story, the biggest companies on the face of the earth whos business i directly tied to drilling up billions and billions of tons of oil and gas an pumping them into the atmosphere

or

Scientists with no economic stake in the issue

Hmm gee I wonder who could have the money and political influence to brainwash morons and lobby the government? Must be those pesky scientists.

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>Nobody denies climate change you fool

there are people that do

>we all know ice ages existed

forest fires exists before humans existed, I guess if a forest fire breaks out we can exclude all human activity, right?

>Global warming is a scam

I believe you, an anonymouse source more than I do the scientfiic consesus, jk I don't that would be a insae.


>told the world is going to get hotter each year until we all burn up, they ditched that in the mid 2000's.

really? show me a proof of that. I want to see a similar consesus (90+) on that the erath is going to burn down as we have now. oh wait, you probably just (if anything) have some cherry picked examples from pop science articles.

This post just proves how utterly stupid you people are. Thank you for proving my point - now time to read up on what climate science actually is, and that is a scientific field that would exist with or without the proven concept of anthropogenic global warming.

Both empirical observations and physical equations support it, models do work and model the future correctly. Countless papers have been written.

But then again, if you are some redneck hick who doesn't believe in science at all this is pointless and you can go kill yourself

Gee wonder what groups fund those scientists to allow them to spend their lives working on worthless info that does not inherently produce economic value.

Really makes you think...

Who funds the research that produces those models? No one denies that climate change is a thing they deny that humanity plays the role people claim it does.

This is all deeply ironic because your country has profited in a major way from oil drilling.

You think the same groups fund literally thousands of scientists from universities and private research centers all over the world? m8, you are absolutely pathetic.

The information is all out there, we live in 2016, you can go read it RIGHT NOW and learn the truth.

But ofcourse, you are a lazy, stupid shithead who prefers to live in ignorance, spewing your uneducated opinions as fact to any poor soul who has the bad fortune of crossing your path. I feel bad for your parents.

climate change is code for population control

I think I love you, user

geez I wonder who has more money to give away to sciencists, the government for whom the fact of global warming is only trouble (firing miners, gibs for green energy rather than for their voting base) or the coal and mining industry whos lifes depend on the result.

maybe just maybe the results are so overwhelming that you know we have sort of a consesus or something, hmmmmmm, if only.

Hmmm, I wonder who has the incentive to push their side of their story, energy companies with billions already invested into extracting and refining energy, able to easily pay any fine or diversify into renewable resources easily.

or

Scientists eager to make a name for themselves, and afraid of challenging the (((consensus)))
Hmm gee I wonder who could need the money and have a desire to use political influence to brainwash morons and lobby the government? Must be those pesky scientists.

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>you are a lazy, stupid shithead who prefers to live in ignorance, spewing your uneducated opinions

When did I ever say it was the same group? I just asked you if you had ever thought about who funds them. You sound triggered.

You realize that there are multiple energy production methods that are being developed which are not publicly disclosed right? Have you stopped to wonder why there has been nothing in the news about fusion for decades? Why Tesla's work on energy production disappeared and was dropped from public science?

If you think that energy companies are just sitting around trying to bilk oil for every penny think again. The data is commonly acknowledged and they have been sinking a lot of cash into developing new forms of energy other than the (((green energy))) being pushed by the left.

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see, the kind of vitriol you are spewing is yet one more reason we climate rationalists can't take you AGW climate change believers seriously. you just can't help resorting to the leftist tactic of attempting to shame and label anyone who disagrees with you. if you had a real argument based on real evidence you wouldn't need to be so emotional about it.

None of this makes any sense and you obviously know nothing about the energy industry.

Thank you for your contribution, it was absolutely terrible.

well great but never said I am against atom energy in fact i much agree with this todatys news.

nytimes.com/2016/12/21/opinion/to-slow-global-warming-we-need-nuclear-power.html?_r=0

I wish people would refute actual skeptics arguments, like computer models that are wrong, CO2 and warmth is good for plants and thus for food production, high CO2 for plants reduce drought. But to do that, the good goy shills would actually have to spend time researching the opposite view.

>he thinks Academia isn't an industry unto itself

Haha holy fuck leaf.

Nothing about fusion? Stellarators like the Wendelstein 7-x literally make headlines every month.

Which is fine, except FUSION DOESNT WORK FOR SHIT. Yet. Meanwhile, solar is not only extremely cheap and efficient, but is so simple anyone can own and produce their own energy

and you don't appear to know very much about the supposed science you are espousing and placing your faith in. can you tell me in your own words what this whole argument is about?

solar is neither cheap nor efficient, it costs at least three times what fossil energy costs, it takes huge amounts of space, and the processes used to mine and manufacture the materials for it have huge costs in toxic pollution. plus it only works when the sun shines and must be backed up by another source.

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Thats the point you moron - I have ALL the evidence on my side, both empirical observation, physical equations and meta-studies.

You on the other side, have squat shit except from oil and gas propaganda.

You can start with these for a start:
nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n9/full/nclimate2310.html

nature.com/nature/journal/v410/n6826/full/410355a0.html

Its like arguing with fucking creationists, all the evidence in the world is right in front of your face, but you just turn a blind eye to it.

For the most common myths spewed by the propagandists i recommend skepticalscience.com - It will even break it down at a basic level if you are an uneducated plebe

Personally I believe scientists are autists and they arent wrong, data backs up their claims. The key difference is the average person thinks within their lifetime, while a person studying climate sciences will look as far as thousands if not billion years ahead. And in that respect theyre correct. We really shouldnt pollute our planet and atmosphere in particular.

good post. many of the high level bureaucrats at the IPCC have said the same sorts of things.

how to produce/expend energy without waste?

If solar was so great we would be fully converted to be using it, don't be disingenuous.

Why would they be sinking so much money into places like Wendelstein 7-x if it didn't work for shit? Use your brain.

Yes, so it makes you wonder why they are pushing so hard to de industrialize Western nations if we are going to develop this stuff and convert over to it anyways. Especially when you think about the fact that only Western nations are targeted for this stuff. Just go take a look at China and India,

Look up Agenda 21 and other similar initiatives, they all look like efforts to control states when you realize we are developing new energy sources anyways.

Thats not true at all. Data shows the carbon count rising beyond natural norms for the time, this is due to human influence. The alarmists will tell you this is past the edge (in x ammount of years), and corporate shills will tell you nothing is to be seen. As per usual. The scientists arent wrong, but at the same time theyre lobbied by green fags who hate nuclear advancement.

m8, I literally have to go work as an energy engineer right now, but yes I can, its very simple and we understand the underlying mechanisms very well.

To keep it short and sweet, neither solar activity, precession or any other naturally occuring phenomenon describe the warming we are seeing today. However it is directly correlated with the increase in greenhouse cases in the atmosphere, of which we pump out billions of tons every year. There has NEVER been a natural increase in co2 during the history of the earth that can match what we are seeing now, in the same time span

You can go read - right now on how it works, its all on the internet, its free, its available. Avoid embarrassment and educate yourself.

Sounds like a socialist platform for worldwide energy. If the advanced first world countries in the UN kept their money and R&D within their country you would see results.

What would actually disprove climate change?

thank you for linking me to known leftist publications who are pushing the AGW climate agenda, but I decline to accept them as credible.

your whole argument hinges on the assertion that the avg global temp of the earth has increased by 1 degree C over 136 years. this is a very dubious assertion since it is based on the belief that the avg temp of the earth can be measured to a 1 degree C accuracy when what is being measured are 7.7 billion cubic km of atmosphere, 1.3 trillion cubic km of oceans, and 510 million sq km of land mass. to that enormous task consider that the weather stations are 90% clustered in north america and western europe, and the rest are a handful scattered through the oceans, with a really small percentage in the southern hemisphere, which is cooler than the northern hemisphere. your data is scanty, and two thirds of your data is estimated, not directly observed, and your 1 degree claim is not statistically significant.

that is why climate rationalists fail to fall for the climate change believer's hype.

Well there has been a natural increase and its catastrophic events, but I can see where you're coming from. The problem is that we arent due for it yet. So its a mix between humans dumping copious ammounts of carbon, and the planet.

We aren't trying to disprove climate change, we're trying to disprove global warming.

Various parts of the world just heat up and cool off over time. Look at Antartica for example, it didn't used to be frozen. Look at how the poles shift over time. Some parts of it are real but the role humans play is a lie.

if you are really an engineer then you must see the impossibility of determining the avg temp of the whole earth to a one degree accuracy. and ice core and ocean sediment samples show that co2 increases come after temp increases by two to eight hundred years. so are you going to assert that lung cancer causes smoking? because that is the very argument you are making.

The GOP has funding from lots of oil shills who have a avid interest in a disinformation campaign.

Its an easy way to:
Make Billions.
Grow the power of the State.
Diminish 1st World Countries.
Create a Universal Crisis to promote Globalism, and the need for a One World Government in the minds of the public.

we don't have to disprove global warming, the climate change believer scientists have done it for us. they say there has been no global warming for almost twenty years now. that's why they started calling it climate change, because their predictions were so wrong.

There is nothing wrong with co2 and we are doing the planet a huge favour by releasing old carbon back in the atmosphere. Plants are having a co2 famine right now which causes draughts and food shortages. Oh is the planet warming because of this? Good plants love that as well and in history humanity has flourished during warm periods, see the medieval warm period.
Just pretend your wrong for once and take a good look at the work of people like Christopher Monckton and William Harper.

What are opportunity costs? What if instead of wasting billions on failed, immature companies we instead let the economy naturally spend the billions on processes which are literally more efficient? Most of these bullet items are actually completely separate from the global warming bullshit.

>implying the average person doesn't want cheap energy that doesn't make them or their children sick
>implying there isn't already a voluntary market incentive to be the first to make such energy

money making scheme via profits from taxes. Get any scheme pushed by the goverment you will start cashing in fast.


but to say there is no happenings in nature would be false -this week i am getting flying foxes coming to my backyard first time ever eating my fruit at night.

There are plenty of dumbasses who never got the memo.

We should really be doing more work on this board to link their hypocritical changes to initiatives in the UN that seek to give international bodies more control of states.

It's part of (((their))) globalization plans, and also a massive redistribution of tax dollars from wealthy countries to shithole countries. It's all part of the plan goy!