Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio Juan Perón
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalization and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people.
Easton Torres
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Carson King
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Ryder Reyes
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Aiden Murphy
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Brandon Ward
On this day in 1989 Romania was finally freed from Communist rule, weird how Communism is coming back as a popular government alternative so quickly after the fall of the USSR
Charles Walker
Except the masses don't really know its communism. Communism never died, its actively being placed in our society, spurging marxist ideals indoctrinating people. Its saddening to see the amount of blind people.
To think the USSR could have spurred the modern Social Justice movement
Joshua Nelson
Bump.
Anthony Campbell
The funny thing is these "nu commies" would've been eradicated in any of the old communist societies. They only do it because it somehow plays into their "muh fuck the USA and government" meme
Liam Roberts
Has anyone read Holy Legionary Youth: Fascist Activism in Interwar Romania? Was thinking of may be ordering it.
Also do not forget based Fennofascists
Nathaniel Butler
also reminder that modern day hitlerists are fucking cancer
Kevin Sanchez
Codreanu was too idealistic. He loved his people too much and in return for it was killed by a Romanian yokel who got paid 20 thousand lei for this murder.
Cooper Cruz
Never thought that I could see a /fsg/ general here, I'm either surprised and happy, keep up the good work. Check out the book "I diari di Mussolini", these books were written by him and they truly demonstrate how he saw the world Back then. These books aren't even censured because somehow fascism is a lot tolerate in Italy (at least if you don't go full neo fascist)
Parker Bailey
They've been a thing for a while
Kevin Price
I know. But maybe someone here is new and wants to learn the root of Italian fascism.
Carson Wilson
thanks, i'll make sure to check it out
Blake Anderson
I've heard of it, still need to read it. And yeah I started these generals up a few weeks ago now.
Jaxon Nelson
book recommendation.
Ian Jones
Natsocs are our allies fin bro. We're all fascists, no need for hate among us.
Mason Rodriguez
And you know (((who))) ordered for his assassination right?
Owen Moore
The Fascist Temptation by professor Tarmo Kunnas will be published in Italian next year. He even visited CasaPound to market his book :DDDD
Kayden Rivera
they are fucking retards doomed to stay in the margins. you won't find a single intellectual among them that would be seriously interested in developing a movement that isn't based on larping and posing.
Cooper Murphy
The king Carol II who was under influence of his mistress (((Lupescu))).
Brody Peterson
When the army took over Brazil, my country literally become one of the best economy of the world and once the military dictorship was over, Brazil went to shit again.
A rebel communist of that time became the first women president of Brazil, Dilma. Glad she got an impeachment.
Caleb Reed
Fascism is a failed experiment, the answer is either in traditionalism(empires, monarchy) or something like Dugin's 4PT.
Liam Ramirez
I believe you've got them confused with skinheads man. Here in my country I've met real natsocs irl and more so on the internet, who are not degenerative and are well educated in how national socialism really works.
Christopher Cook
How the fuck is fascism a failed experiment? It literally succeeded in almost every country it was put in. International banking and military forces had to squash it from the outside, and it took almost the entire world to do it.
Also, fascism EMBRACES traditionalism. Empires or monarchy? You do realize that the fucking trash governments of the UK and Sweden are monarchies, right? Your post is major autism.
Tyler Perez
>conservapedia
Noah Cruz
I know hitlerists, I know some of the leading guys in the Finnish branch of the NRM. They are never going to develop a movement that would appeal to cultural and intellectual heavy weights, god bless them.
Jeremiah Lopez
>posting a picture of Vargas, the guy that sold out the Integralist movement, in a Fascist thread
Parker Harris
For its short life Fascism worked as was designed i can't say what would have happened if Axis won the war but someday it'll be back.
Ian Harris
Thats good, I agree though the amount of skinheads and retard neo nazis greatly outnumber and blemish the actual natsocs. Yet in my experience I've only met a couple skinhead types.
Colton Flores
>failed experiment Every country that had it implemented was extraordinary, the war is what ruined it all.
Samuel Hill
Indeed, he was taken too soon. At least he died before seeing everything go to ruin.
Tyler Gutierrez
I'll check this out man, thanks for the info. (CasaPound is our last bastion against leftism in this country)
Jack Thompson
Hi /fsg/ I have have a few questions. Does one have to be religious to be a fascist or is devotion to your Nation its wellbeing and future sufficient? Also how important is racial and ethnic nationalism in fascism?
Jackson Robinson
For the religious part, you don't have to be a radical, but you'll surely found some answers in the devotion for a God. For the second part, fascism isn't vincolated by races or ethnicity. Anyone can be fascist, if i can find the pic of Mussolini who clearly say this i'll post that
Thomas Reed
Here
Robert Sullivan
Being religious is not required. We only ask that your devotion and love for the state and morality is religious. Racial nationalism is the priority in fascism, there is no place for civil nationalism. I could post a quote if you'd like
Austin Parker
bump
Christian Davis
around here the difference, as dictated by the majority of nationalists I have the pleasure of talking to, is as following: ultraorthodox = nationalist any other nationalist = patriot
Kayden Moore
How do we stop a fascist state from oppressing its own people? It would be simple for the ruling class to suck the wealth from citizens and set them into eternal poverty. How do we prevent this? Do we allow the leaders to be removed by an election?
A fascist state would uphold the culture of its people. For example an ISIS fascist state religion would be required. But in the US religion would not be required.
Camden Foster
I would think that a leader that made himself unpopular enough would be removed by the people whether through an election or any other means
Austin Clark
A totalitarian leader could disarm, starve and otherwise weaken his people to the point where an uprising is impossible.
Landon Parker
yes but then you end up with a people that aren't really worth ruling unless youre just dumb, like north korea
Wyatt Perez
How do the majority of Romanians feel about corneliu codreanu and the iron guard?
Colton Hernandez
A true fascist leader care a lot about his people, if the people isn't content with what he is doing then he will have to stop being the leader. In Italy we didn't experienced it correctly because there was a damn war, but before that the consent was at least at 80%, of course anyone can say this is false because there was a dictatorship in act, but i have found a lot of people alive during that period and they're secretly all fascist (i even found one of his personal guard years ago)
Adam Hall
my grandpa was born in bavaria in 1928 so i can attest that the same is true about germany to some degree
Austin Williams
>if the people isn't content with what he is doing then he will have to stop being the leader. Exactly. So the leader should need to be periodically elected at the very least. A bill of rights would help too.
David Williams
Except fascism is anti Democratic, this would be nearing to close of a democracy.
Charles Gray
both sound fine but I wouldn't say either is a necessity
Jason Sanders
so how do you remove bad leaders then? what about if they disarm you and move you to labor camps?
Brayden Peterson
through force either way, if a faction cannot muster enough force to remove a leader they are either to weak-willed to lead or too small in numbers to have any mandate.
Hunter Moore
why live under a system that will inevitably lead to a revolution? why not build a safety switch into it? and before you say every leader will be a paragon of hope, remember that for ever Caesar or Trump there is a Stalin or Pol Pot.
Blake Brooks
Removal, if the majority of the people do not like the leader they can overthrow him. Although that sounds a bit anarchistic, I remember an user posted a really good electoral process once but I can't remember how it would work.
David Johnson
How is fascism towards things such as art and music?
Joseph Cruz
because if you make it clear that the consequences for bad leadership are so harsh, then potentially bad leaders will be greatly discouraged, and any leader that isn't doing well in power won't want to hang around
Xavier Davis
depends entirely on the leader. certain fascist leaders have sponsored art for the wellbeing of their people, others have outlawed certain types of artwork or writing, others direct artists to create propaganda, others leave art be.
Grayson Anderson
Fascist futurism art was great.
Eli Flores
add rexism to your list of forms of fascism, it was a belgian form
Jeremiah Ross
rebellion is often met with steep resistance. Assad had to tear his country apart to stay in power. If you believe the rumors he was forced to use chemical weapons.
Caleb Stewart
I have a couple more question, because I am completely ignorant of Fascist ideas.
Can there be a system of checks and balances? Maybe a standing army loyal to the state, it's people and it's doctrine ready to dethrone the current ruler if need be? As I wrote this, I feel like I realized the answer though.
Easton Reed
Ah yes, completely forgot about rexism. Love Degrelle.
Camden Jenkins
Exactly, you answer yourself, fascism is a really strong mix of discipline, doctrine, and faith in an idea. If the ruler fail at being the example for his citizens, than he will surely be killed
Logan Robinson
Was Codreanu the JFK of fascism?
John Baker
I've been interested in Fascism for a few months now. Just haven't indulged my curiosity and began researching it, but I feel as though this thread may be the start.
Total unity among a people just sounds right to me.
Charles Torres
yes
Adrian Long
Start of your journey by reading the doctrines of fascism friend.
Asher Sanders
Any introductory books you could recommend?
Jackson Morgan
As an example, imagine that a fascist Europe fell into the hands of an ISIS leader. He could invite millions of muslims into your country. He could arm them and make them the official police under Sharia law. Would you be ok in a society where your rights could be swept away that easily?
Austin Flores
I mean that's assuming it would all happen instantly, surely something that would take that long would be revolted against by the people at some point
Mason Roberts
>youtube.com/watch?v=rd7LcaXZzUs Watching this brings even more sympathy for Ol' Mosley than I already had before. Shunned by a populace disillusioned by a grandeur of good and evil. They didn't even reconcile the fact that the war was at the expense of the British's Empire fall, even when Mosley pointed it out.
Isaiah Lee
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Carter Baker
I'm currently on my reading journey, I've read the doctrines of fascism, the doctrines of national socialism, mein kampf, and now I am reading for my legionaries, and next up I will read revolt against the modern world.
Evan Harris
bump i guess
Camden Perez
Which is why I prefer a small group based leadership for a fascist state. Seeing some of the tactical mistakes Hitler made during the war is why.
I've read Hitler, Codreanu and Evola but their books aren't particularly useful in the modern day. I'd recommend Siege by James Mason. There's no point wasting time about special snowflakism. All you need to be a fascist is uncompromising ideals and tools to fulfill those ideals. Siege is a tool and that's why it's useful.
Zachary Davis
What do you do if you don't agree with the government if you've removed the electorate?
How to you maintain social cohesion as one party cannot appease all?
If you do somehow manage to gain a government that you 100% agree with, what do you do when they die?
Justin Powell
I'm interested, where do I find these docrines
David Rodriguez
Mosley wished that we didn't enter the second world war and appease Hitlers blatant disregard for pur wishes and our treaties.
I agree that the war destroyed us, but Enoch Powell pointed out that the Second World War was inevitable as it was a continuation of the First World War. For there to be no second we need to prevent the first.
It was clear Hitler either wanted or needed war by looking at his economy, he was running a huge deficit by creating mass employment in his armed forces and diverting huge areas of production to military equipment. If Hitler didn't have a war, and soon, his inflation rate would have exploded, the very same inflation Hitler was elected to tackle.
So from a British stand point, we have world leader who is pumping massive amounts of investment into his armed forces and breaking post war treaties, all while telling us that he didn't want war.
Enoch Powell also attributed the fall of the Empire mostly to America and he saw it coming a long before it happened. The end of preferential trade, the fall of the Raj, the decolonisation of Africa, the Suez crisis. All influence by Americans, and arguably that influence would have still been there regardless of the wars.
Xavier Richardson
>no Leon Degrelle
I disagree with Rexism, his "christian fascism", but damn could this guy speak
OP forgot to quote Giovanni Gentile (the philosopher who wrote with Benito Mussolini the Doctrine of Fascism )
Adam Perry
Might get flamed for this, but do any other American fascists/strong nationalists just not really care about race? Like I get it for Euros since the basis of the french nation is french ethnicity, but as far as America goes like I just can't motivate myself to care about race. More primacy on the state.
Caleb Sanders
Fascism finds his roots in the roman empire. The roman empire was not a multicultural empire, but surely was a multiracial empire. If a black person embrace the Roman fascists values he's my brother as well.
Parker Thompson
Black Fascist Paolo Diop in the picture youtu.be/sxn5v1KZWe4 Also listen to this song (in the lyrics brunette stands for black girl)
Isaac Price
yeah that's basically how I feel. Even in Euro countries, multiracialism isn't inherently bad unless it starts to undermine national demographic character, but there's a peaceful way to deal with that, less immigration and pro birth policies.
Basically I'm a "Sic transit gloria mundi" type, eternal Rome and all that (Byzantines fuck off ree), so as long as someone is contributing to the glory of their society I have no issue.
Matthew Hill
That's why islam is not compatible with Italian Fascism. A muslim will never leave his culture to embrace ours'. But if we, for example, take the newborn of a muslim couple and rise him with a cameratistic, militaristic, art loving, Roman mindset he'll be nothing different than me.
David Young
mhm, exactly. Rome was able to conquer and integrate because of it's remarkable (at the time) Tolerance for multiracialism. It could handle conquered regions remaining ethnically original. My politics are basically based on playing your designated role in history without a sense of self-glorification about it.
Noah Ortiz
After the Fall of the roman empire the people of all europe followed calling themselves Romans for centuries; HRE, for example, or the Russians Tzars (from Cesar). Still today the western culture is based on the Roman culture. That's because the romans did not only build streets and cities in the conquered lands, they built and exported a state of mind.
Hudson Nelson
ANY EXAMPLES OF FASCIST REGIMES THAT DIDN'T ULTIMATELY RUIN THEIR COUNTRY?
Tyler Reed
How to start a fashy militia to extermonate Commies and SJW
Eli Gomez
Will fascism ever be able to distance itself from national socialism? Or atleast Hitlerism
