Any government ruled by far-left or far-right radical ideologues is a complete disaster. Radical ideologues threaten democracy as they will always choose their personal convictions over the will of the people. The most prosperous and successful nations are those ruled primarily by moderates.
The founding of our nation was built on a consensus reached by compromise after exhaustive debate, the U.S. Constitution could be subtitled "consensus reached by compromise".
>inb4 but we're not a democracy
We get it, you just passed 6th grade civics class. A republic is a representative democracy you clueless faggot.
Partisanship is a danger to any nation, it literally disables the functioning of any government.
People are attracted to sensationalism and extremism, especially when they are younger. Believing in some idealistic fantasy utopia is almost a coping mechanism for them. It's exciting and novel, but ignores reality.
Alexander Carter
>tfw too intelligent for Sup Forums
Andrew Allen
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Cooper Brown
Centrism is relative to the country's values and majority opinion.
For example, in Russia, Putin's party (United Russia) is the centrist party that unites different factions together. Putin is scared to death of partisanship or division, and constantly has his pulse on the opinion of the public to know what they want.
This is also why the Kremlin promotes extremism in other countries, to divide them and render their governments dysfunctional. They will promote left-wing or right-wing radicalism, it doesn't matter as long as it creates dysfunction.
The real silent majority is the moderates, it's the crazy radical left and radical right that are obnoxiously loud and drown out the reasonable majority of people who actually have jobs and don't have time to be whiny little faggots.
William Martinez
oh vey be a good centrist goy
Grayson Cruz
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Nolan Perry
>Any government ruled by far-left or far-right radical ideologues is a complete disaster All moderate nations fail, centrists bad
> The most prosperous and successful nations are those ruled primarily by moderates. All nations run by centrists are shit
You are guys are dumb, centrism is a failure.
Austin Rodriguez
>centrism is da joos conspiracy
Wow, coming from a country that's been fucked over countless times throughout history by radical ideologues.
When will you ever learn?
Parker Rodriguez
You are pleb
and dumb
>you
Liam Ross
Coming from America, a nation that was made great through extreme ideologies and made shit by centrist ideas
Extreme Presidents
>FDR >Reagan >Lincoln >Jackson
Moderate Presidents
>Bucham >Obama >Jimmy Carter >Bush Sr
YEEEEEAAAAHHH
William Taylor
Orthodox Christian Monarchy is government divinely established, and directed, ultimately, to the other world, government with the teaching of Christian Truth and the salvation of souls as its profoundest purpose; Nihilist rule--whose most fitting name, as we shall see, is Anarchy---is government established by men, and directed solely to this world, government which has no higher aim than earthly happiness.
The Liberal view of government, as one might suspect, is an attempt at compromise between these two irreconcilable ideas. In the 19th century this compromise took the form of "constitutional monarchies," an attempt--again--to wed an old form to a new content; today the chief representatives of the Liberal idea are the "republics" and "democracies" of Western Europe and America, most of which preserve a rather precarious balance between the forces of authority and Revolution, while professing to believe in both.
It is of course impossible to believe in both with equal sincerity and fervor, and in fact no one has ever done so. Constitutional monarchs like Louis Philippe thought to do so by professing to rule "by the Grace of God and the will of the people"--a formula whose two terms annul each other, a fact as equally evident to the Anarchist as to the Monarchist.
Jack Russell
Now a government is secure insofar as it has God for its foundation and His Will for its guide; but this, surely, is not a description of Liberal government. It is, in the Liberal view, the people who rule, and not God; God Himself is a "constitutional monarch" Whose authority has been totally delegated to the people, and Whose function is entirely ceremonial. The Liberal believes in God with the same rhetorical fervor with which he believes in Heaven. The government erected upon such a faith is very little different, in principle, from a government erected upon total disbelief, and whatever its present residue of stability, it is clearly pointed in the direction of Anarchy.
A government must rule by the Grace of God or by the will of the people, it must believe in authority or in the Revolution; on these issues compromise is possible only in semblance, and only for a time. The Revolution, like the disbelief which has always accompanied it, cannot be stopped halfway; it is a force that, once awakened, will not rest until it ends in a totalitarian Kingdom of this world. The history of the last two centuries has proved nothing if not this. To appease the Revolution and offer it concessions, as Liberals have always done, thereby showing that they have no truth with which to oppose it, is perhaps to postpone, but not to prevent, the attainment of its end. And to oppose the radical Revolution with a Revolution of one's own, whether it be "conservative," " non-violent," or "spiritual," is not merely to reveal ignorance of the full scope and nature of the Revolution of our time, but to concede as well the first principle of that Revolution: that the old truth is no longer true, and a new truth must take its place.
Jack Rogers
>All moderate nations fail, centrists bad
Examples?
As far as I can see the most prosperous and stable nations have been run primarily by moderates.
>centrism is a failure
No, any country run by radical ideologues ends up as a failure. It's always a disaster. Every. Fucking. Time.
Camden Moore
>make a joke about 'centrist symbol' being the same as mastercard >some retard amerifat younger than my wife's son tries to give me some faggot history lesson about my country he's never lived in >he probably thinks he's smart and wise ayyy
Elijah Allen
>As far as I can see the most prosperous and stable nations have been run primarily by moderates. U.S, Rome, Nazi Germany, USSR
>No, any country run by radical ideologues ends up as a failure. It's always a disaster. Every. Fucking. Time. Every moderate nation degenerates within 10 years.
Joshua Brown
>never lived in You literally should not be allowed to discuss history of a nation if you live in it.
>usa U.S is very right leaning, but you are a fool if you think they came to dominate the world based on their own virtue. WW1 and 2 have a word with you.
>rome Disintegrated into decadence
>USSR Collapsed under it's own wight. Also >implying communism works
>U.S is very right leaning Right now they are dead in the middle of the spectrum and were far-left during the 1950s, their glory days. FDR saved the economy with far far far left policies
>Disintegrated into decadence Because too much moderism
>Collapsed under it's own wight. Also >implying communism works Reagan destroyed it using far-right policies and communism does work.
Lucas Campbell
>>Because too much moderism >rome >modernism >fucking ROME >modernism
Go home leaf, you're drunk.
Jaxson Phillips
>compromise! >K >compromise again! >K >compromise again! >K >compromise again! >K >compromise again! No. I'm done. Those faggots keep demanding more and more and more and they're never satisfied. I'm done. They can fuck off. It's their turn to compromise. I will not faulter.
Mason Stewart
>Rome >Not moderate Even if they weren't moderate they lasted like 1000 years the way they were.
Christian Smith
Centrism is a meme. Its just a cover to justify unpopular extremist positions like war while looking like "compromise" i.e Iraq and Libya.
Lincoln Evans
>FDR
FDR saved capitalism and America from the spreading tide of populist socialism among workers. We came close to ending up with someone like Huey "Share our Wealth" Long who would've turn the US into the USSR. FDR didn't come into office with the New Deal, it was a compromise made to appease the mounting worker revolution.
>Reagan
Other than tripling our national debt with unsustainable tax policy, Reagan was somewhat moderate. His only extreme was low taxes.
Reagan implemented a healthcare mandate that still to this day requires hospitals to accept uninsured patients to their Emergency Room. He also supported the Brady Bill and assault weapons ban. Reagan compromised a lot.
>Lincoln
Lincoln set a new precedent for a united nation, but I don't believe this to be extreme. The abolishment of slavery was popular, perhaps not as much in the South. I do think Lincoln did what was inevitable.
>Jackson
Jackson was a horrible president. His economic policies led to recession.
>Bucham
Don't know who that is, this isn't a US president.
Moderate Presidents:
>James Monroe >Eisenhower >George H.W. Bush >Bill Clinton
These presidents presided over excellent economies and general stability, they also compromised often with opposing parties.
Jordan Stewart
>good governance is just a popularity contest
fucking clueless
this is exactly how extremism takes root
Charles Wilson
How come Jackson gets a bad note for a recession, but W doesn't?
it was the worst recession in history bar the great depression.
Christopher Cooper
>FDR saved capitalism and America from the spreading tide of populist socialism among workers By making America super socialist, he did exactly what the people wanted, he was a populist
>We came close to ending up with someone like Huey "Share our Wealth" Long who would've turn the US into the USSR. FDR didn't come into office with the New Deal, it was a compromise made to appease the mounting worker revolution. No it's because he learned that the depression wasn't going to end with moderation, he needed to be extreme. He made the U.S socialist, that's not a compromise
>Other than tripling our national debt with unsustainable tax policy Trippling the debt was the ONLY moderate thing Reagan did
>Reagan was somewhat moderate He made the economy amazing and created the largest wage increase, was also pro-property rights
>Lincoln set a new precedent for a united nation, but I don't believe this to be extreme. The abolishment of slavery was popular, perhaps not as much in the South. I do think Lincoln did what was inevitable. He was a shit president but he got shit done, and that's what you need as President. Also if he's moderate that kinda is my point about how shit moderate presidents are
>Jackson was a horrible president. His economic policies led to recession. He ended the debt
>Don't know who that is, this isn't a US president. The guy before Lincoln
>James Monroe Far-Right
>Eisenhower Was practically a flag-burner, insulted the founding Fathers and hated everything stood for, however he was VERY far left as you see in this quote
>George H.W.Bush Why America is run by the rich
>Bill Clinton The guy who ruined the economy and sent 3 million people to prison? That guy was good?
Daniel Nguyen
George H.W. Bush =/= George W. Bush
Two different presidents, my kiwi friend.
You're right about the recession though.
Gabriel Murphy
>not listening to the people is good You are why moderates exist.
Thomas Mitchell
No he isn't. Bill Clinton caused the recession.
Justin Turner
>Any government ruled by far-left or far-right radical ideologues is a complete disaster. That's what the house and the senate are suppose to prevent.
Blake Stewart
When the majority wants to kill itself, should you follow?
There are some things that aren't worthy of compromise.
Christopher Murphy
Except that doesn't happen. You are being anti-democracy.
Lucas Reed
>Except that doesn't happen. Just because a suicide takes longer to notice doesn't make it not suicide. >You are being anti-democracy Yes, I am.
Ian Green
It's 2016 you have to be for democracy, in-fact it's illegal to be anti-democracy worldwide the U.S invades anyone who isn't democratic.
Bentley Sullivan
>Disintegrated into decadence
wtf do you think the western 'moderate' civilization is doing exactly?
Nathaniel Gomez
>It's 2016 I'm sorry for anyone that's stupid enough to engage this shitposter after this.
Carter Lee
Not an arguement
Jacob James
>i'm anti-democratic I'm sorry for anyone stupid enough to even reply to this retard after he publically stated he wasn't for democracy.
Jaxson Brown
>By making America super socialist, he did exactly what the people wanted, he was a populist
No, you're confused. He didn't make the U.S. "super socialist". Social security was based on Thomas Paine's "Agrarian Justice", though it's a social welfare program it hardly made the U.S. "super socialist". "Super socialist" is what Huey Long wanted.
>No it's because he learned that the depression wasn't going to end with moderation, he needed to be extreme.
Centrism doesn't mean paralyzing do-nothingness. It means compromise and reaching majority consensus, that is where the center lies.
The New Deal was bipartisan, with broad support in both parties.
>He made the U.S socialist, that's not a compromise
No, he saved capitalism by compromising with the popular sentiment at the time. The alternative would have been to become something like the USSR, which very well could have occurred at that time.
>Trippling the debt was the ONLY moderate thing Reagan did
That doesn't even make sense.
>He made the economy amazing
Even conservative economists at the time opposed it as unsustainable, but yes Reagan showed that tax cuts can work as economic stimulus.
>the largest wage increase
No, the largest wage increase occurred during the Postwar Economic Expansion from 1945-1971. Really peaking during the Eisenhower years.
>He was a shit president
Confirmed for fascist
>He ended the debt
And caused a subsequent recession.
>The guy before Lincoln
Buchanan not Bucham
>Far-Right
Nope, Centrist.
>Was practically a flag-burner, insulted the founding Fathers and hated everything stood for, however he was VERY far left
What the fuck are you talking about?
Eisenhower was a five-star general you clueless retard. As a Republican, he implemented infrastructure programs and was the epitome of bipartisan compromise.
>The guy who ruined the economy and sent 3 million people to prison?
Created lots of jobs, economic boom, cut taxes, created surplus.
Jayden Sanders
You haven't presented any logic based arguments, just rhetorical fluff. You're as bad as any ideologue, and just admitted you are against popular rule.
Jackson Fisher
>implying the only third option is compromise
kys, mehmet
Angel Sanders
>A republic is a representative democracy
But that's wrong too, you double nigger.
Connor Davis
This statement does nothing to advance a discussion, care to explain what you think it is then.
Colton Cook
>No, you're confused. He didn't make the U.S. "super socialist". Social security was based on Thomas Paine's "Agrarian Justice", though it's a social welfare program it hardly made the U.S. "super socialist". "Super socialist" is what Huey Long wanted. It was ruled general welfare by the supreme court, it's socialism
>Centrism doesn't mean paralyzing do-nothingness. It means compromise and reaching majority consensus, that is where the center lies. Then fuck compromise
The New Deal was Shit then
>No, he saved capitalism by compromising with the popular sentiment at the time. The alternative would have been to become something like the USSR, which very well could have occurred at that time. That made no sense
>Even conservative economists at the time opposed it as unsustainable, but yes Reagan showed that tax cuts can work as economic stimulus. ((conservative)) ((economists))
>No, the largest wage increase occurred during the Postwar Economic Expansion from 1945-1971. Really peaking during the Eisenhower years. Eisenhower was far left tho
>Confirmed for fascist Confirmed for communist
>caused recession Who cares? He paid off the debt
>Buchanan not Buchan What?
>Eisenhower was a five-star general you clueless retard. As a Republican, he implemented infrastructure programs and was the epitome of bipartisan compromise. He called George Washington and Ben Franklin stupid.
>Created lots of jobs, economic boom, cut taxes, created surplus. Created 2008 recsesion and ran massive deficits.
Chase Robinson
>U.S Moderate
>Rome Moderate Republic, enjoyed half a millennia of prosperity and power which came to an end only because of... extreme partisanship and infighting you clueless fuck.
>Nazi Germany Radical regime, failed state.
>USSR Radical regime, failed state. Extremely high levels of poverty for a developed nation.
Is this really that hard for you to comprehend?
>Every moderate nation degenerates within 10 years.
No, the longest lasting and most prosperous nations are moderate. As evidenced by historical examples.
Jordan Hernandez
>moderate WRONG U.S was far left in golden era
>Moderate Republic It was moderate near the end it was extreme during it's prime dumbass
>radical regime, failed state WRONG
>high levels of poverty Everyone had healthcare, 2 cars, a home, education, they had it all
>No, the longest lasting and most prosperous nations are moderate. As evidenced by historical examples. Wrong
Jackson Morris
The Republican system of government refers to the idea of state, local, and federal government, each level with designated powers and limitations
Asher James
Burgerbro, my leaf friend is just sad that Justin Trudeau has approved pipelines and rejected the TRC because it was deemed un-constitutional by Parliament. He's angry with himself for supporting a moderate in socialist clothing.
Noah Hernandez
And what else... do you have anything substantial to say or are you just here to provide corrections for definitions.
Nolan Mitchell
>It was ruled general welfare by the supreme court, it's socialism
Yes, it's a social welfare program. Nice work buddy.
>That made no sense
I'm sure it doesn't if you don't know anything about the history of U.S. politics or world politics. Socialist workers revolutions were spreading around the world, while unions were protesting and organizing their own uprisings here in the U.S. There was a lot of popular socialist sentiment at the time. Radical socialists like Huey Long were gaining traction across the country.
>((conservative)) ((economists))
Don't know why I'm wasting time with someone who believes in da joos conspiracy.
>Eisenhower was far left tho
No. Five-star General, Republican. You're retarded.
>Confirmed for communist
No, capitalist.
>Who cares? He paid off the debt
That literally means nothing. National debt is how nations operate and raise funds similar to a corporation issuing bonds or stock. My nation has always had one (except during Jackson), every developed nation operates with one.
The result was a recession.
>What?
You said "Bucham" here There is no President named "Bucham"
>He called George Washington and Ben Franklin stupid.
No.
>Created 2008 recsesion and ran massive deficits.
No, Clinton had very low deficits and even created a surplus. Comparatively, every Republican since Nixon hasn't come close to doing so because they usually reduce revenue with tax cuts and spending increases.
Isaac Ramirez
>social welfare >not socialism Nice try
You clearly don't know anything about politics or history. I don't know why I'm wasting my time with someone who actually believes in moderation.
Pic related is Eisenhower calling every single founding father stupid
Luke Clark
>muh Nazi Germany >triggered
1933-1945
12 years
FAILED STATE
Josiah Reed
>Nice try
Not what I said.
>Pic related is Eisenhower calling every single founding father stupid
No. Pic related is a five-star general turned president and the most moderate Republican president of the past century.
Lincoln Butler
>a moderate in socialist clothing.
moderates always win
Bentley Morgan
You constantly state that you don't know why you are wasting your time here, what does that have to do with the argument being presented? Just let your opinions and statistics speak for themselves, lest you feel you need the fluff to make them sound more appealing.
Michael Cruz
Unfortunately, centrists do not.
Christian Smith
kek
Nathan Lewis
>tfw too intelligent to hold any strong convictions or beliefs
Jack Hernandez
>Soviet Russia was good time and much prosperity for all citizen!
You went full retard there, Boris.
Eli Taylor
>tfw too intelligent to associate to argue with the plebs
Levi Taylor
>tfw too intelligent to reply to anyone so you just lurk and laugh at what the plebs believe
Chase Howard
You've done nothing to show your intelligence in this thread so i'll have to believe the opposite. Not that you care right?
Matthew Thomas
>tfw too intelligent to not reply to shitposters who only want to post unwitty memes because you know that you really need to spread your superior centrist knowledge even though they are plebs who just can't comprehend
Leo Hall
U
Wyatt Allen
What happens when the far left extreme becomes the norm?
How can whites compromise with genocide?
Ryan Bennett
You've been given ample opportunity to display your supposed knowledge and have not... last chance, i'm all ears.
Nathaniel Lee
>not a representative democracy
This is what Amerifat education looks like everyone.
>tfw too intelligent to put all your faith in one ideology because it's a mix of good and bad ideas and blind partisan loyalty will inhibit your ability to learn from failed policies of said ideology so you take a pragmatic approach towards politics but then everyone thinks you're inherently boring because they don't understand and just want dank memes and happenings so you decide to just lurk and post memes instead
Caleb Butler
centrists are needed to keep a leash on you far right and far left idiots.
Grayson Robinson
Literally what centrists do, it's why we're the actual silent majority.
Brayden Fisher
>we're the actual silent majority
CENTRIST UPRISING
GAS THE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES
Joshua Gray
>CENTRIST UPRISING
W-what is going in here? Guys?
Thomas Collins
DAY OF THE LEVEL IS COMING
Kevin Powell
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Wyatt Brooks
topkek
Ian Gray
step away from the keyboard mitt
Christian Smith
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Jose Martin
Fucking christ kek
Samuel Garcia
Was the tightrope walk over the twin towers the greatest political statement in centrism we have seen to date?
Owen Edwards
Personal/tribal preference can't be turned off. It's as innate as the drive for sex. If what you are saying is true, then democracy is incompatible with human nature.
Jackson Adams
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Blake Wilson
who keeps drawing these fucking things
Isaiah King
....wat wouldn't the answer be 8? or am I missing something?
Christopher Wilson
I'm laughing, but I want it so bad I can taste it.
Aaron Cruz
>common core
Christopher Cooper
Oh sure now you want to compromise. For eight years you have been fucking the middle class up the ass telling the republican to go fuck themselves. Now that you have nothing, you want to compromise.
Fuck off demoncratz.
Colton Morales
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Leo Cooper
stfu pleb
stfu pleb
stfu pleb
James Flores
Now that I think about it, I would say yes. It is extremely difficult to remain impartial, and balanced. You have to research every piece of news that is given to you, and it would feel so good to just surround yourself with yesmen and just shut out dissenting opinions.
But I try, I try really, really hard to stay in the middle. To pick policies not on how close they are to my preconceived notions, but how well studies and research from all sides of the political spectrum say they work. And the worst part is, no matter how well a system starts out working, it will always fail in the end. That is what history teaches us. That is what every sign points to. We always lose in the end. Every nation, every government, every kingdom and hamlet will fall in the end. And no matter how right we get it, no matter how hard we try, failure will be inevitable. So I don't even know why I give a fuck sometimes.
Sometimes I just want to say fuck it and give in to some extremist ideology, and use a bunch of idiots who follow me around to make money and live in wealth, surrounded by people who agree with me and want to make me happy. But for some fucking reason I keep on pressing forward, trying to toe that little line.
Brayden Gonzalez
I refuse to believe in this retardation. How was this allowed. Also >Choice E is not possible. WTF....I can only cry.
