If we had invaded Russia whenever all of her troops were in Germany, there would've been no Vietnam War.
No Korean War.
No Communist China.
No Castro.
No arming of Afghan rebels...and then invading again.
No need to support and arm dictators like Saddam Hussein/Reza Pahlavi/Jorge Rafael Videla.
Kennedy would still be alive.
No Cold War all over the globe, wasting billions of dollars and millions of lives.
No communist powers existing today.
prove me wrong
tl;dr fucking communism
That's a great idea. I can't think why they didn't do something like that.
You have to go through Germany to invade Russia dumbass
You attack from Finland and the Caspian sea (we had friendly relations with Iran). Easy victory.
The strength of soviets armies was only half that of western armies at best
The same could be said if we had joined Germany and stamped out Marxism for good along with Jewish influence in the world.
>implying you would've been allowed to do that
You know that we actually did invade Russia during 1919.
USA + UK occupied Archangel, Murmansk, several other key areas, ran river gunboats up a bunch of the rivers. During the battle of Krondstat a flotilla of British coastal motor torpedo boats damaged or sunk the majority of the Russian active fleet.
But basically the Reds defeated the Whites too fast so the western powers had to pull out of Russia.
Russia viewed the west as a bunch of scheming backstabbers afterwards.
The interwar period is fascinating, especially being as war never exactly ceased.
Fool. Without Russia the enemy would've been someone else. Global peace hurts the Jew.
4:1 in men and 2:1 in tanks. The western advantages are in airpower, nukes and the fact the Soviets had literally recruited everyone they could while the americans had barely scratched their manbower. By the time any of those have an effect the Soviets would be at the Pyrenees.
My plan to win: 3 and 9 army drives through the giant hole in the front an incircle the armies while the rest hold the line
Well, I can't argue with that.
>You have to go through Germany to invade Russia dumbass
SeeDUMBASSSSSSSSSSS
Also, we had "the bomb" and the reds didn't.
Well we're not talking about that. Germany declared war on us first, so that's their fault. They bit off more than they could chew and they paid for it. Fuck em.
But generally speaking, we should've invaded and leveled Russia to a nuclear tundra wasteland.
Shame on you coming from a Finn.
NO, CASPIAN SEA AND FINNISH INVASION
Same applies to a world without murrica but nobody would destabilize/invade other countries to keep them down while telling everyone of their mission of peace
>implying you wont be thrown into the sea in a couple of months after invading
burgers still think they did something in this war besides passing us the bullets
you were rekt by old men and schoolboys while real armies fought in the eastern front
and you still believe you can fight anyone besides illiterate shepherds and arab goatfuckers?
Seriously, there is a reason why you didn't do so. "The operation unthinkable" didn't came in motion because of political reasons, but because it would fail:
>We conclude that:
>(a) If we are to embark on war with Russia, we must be prepared to be committed to a total war, which will be both long and costly.
>(b) Our numerical inferiority on land renders it extremely doubtful we could achieve a limited and quick success, even if the political appreciation considered that this would suffice to gain our political object.
tldr: you didn't want to lose whole Europe to Soviets
"the bomb" was impossible to throw on soviet union because it was even further from britain then japain was from those isles
you either bomb germany or smth like that or bomb nothing
good luck convincing the public to sacrifice millions of more soldiers and many more years of shitty wartime
>no Communist Chyna
by 1945 Mao had already effectively won
>Kennedy still would have been alive
>implying the USSR killed him
We would've broken the Napoleon curse. We would've invaded. Your troops were much more tired and inexperienced and we could've easily enlisted more men to outnumber you. Fresh men, not the wallowing miserable starving bottom of the barrel slavs you grabbed from Moscow and stuck a rifle in their hands and said "shoot for bread comrade"
Couldn't even keep them in your ranks, and the Germans were outnumbered by you AND YOU STILL LOST MORE, JUST LIKE YOU LOST TO THE FINNS!!!
u mad? u would've been first to go, ivan
>we would fly from Persia....christ you guys are retarded
oh yeah so we didn't invade and instead spent the next 80 years fighting in jungles and deserts and all over the world yeah your idea is much better you FUCK
>Attacking the fully mobilized USSR
>In europe
>With the frontline past poland
You do realize that the 2 bombs the USA had were already used and it would take years to make more dont you?
You also do realize that the entire europe would end up occupied by soviet forces by 1946 due to the simple fact that... there was literally nobody to oppose them.
And that the USA didnt want to get involved against Germany in the first place, let alone the giant USSR which made it clear to the world at that point to be much more powerful than anything resembling Hitler`s aliance.
Do you have any idea of the proportions of the new ``D-day`` needed to invade the USSR from britain?
Its suicidal. Also you`re forgetting the
The 1946 Chinese revolution which would kick China into control of the USSR, prompting an invasion through japan.
The war on China would become the major front and europe would be lost forever in case you did try to declare war on the USSR on 1945.
so you dont understand anything about war
you consider fresh meat collected from rural states to equally fight real war veterans who outnumber you in automatic weaponry, tanks(which were of better technology than your buckets), artillery and have officers with a huge experience?
but what could I expect from burger education?
>we would have
>would
>Generals, warlords, experts of the time make a conclusion that war'ing USSR at the moment was a very bad idea
>I SAY IT WASN'T BECAUSE MUH MEMES
N i c e.
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>the USSR is why we have been fighting wars for the last 70 years
You spelled Saudi Arabia wrong.
And don't forget russia would be overrun by niggers and other shitskins just like your shitty country.
never forget smiling ben
The biggest tragedy of the world is that cold war never escalated into a real one.
All of this shit is happening and will happen cause old farts were too pussies to nuke each other
every war we've been in combined since WW2 wouldn't be worth a week of suffering in an all out war with the Soviets
true
texas oblast when?
Now imagine staying out of our fucking business altogether.
You cant just declare war on the ussr without a motive
Russia never had "all her troops ... in Germany" and was to the end of the war at a unique pseudo-nationalistic fever. OP knows nothing about history and his plan would not work at all.
what do you mean "pseudo"?
The Anglo always pulls through, it would however have been devastating
Russians always win superior enemies, it is just the way this world works
Alternative history is retarded. If you had invaded Russia, this could have provoked way worse events for all you know.
>Berlin is taken
>Proceed to war against USSR
>USA Has to fully mobilize
>Russia advances uncontested.
>Pockets of shell soldiers are overun within weeks
>USSR moves on across germany and into france, entering paris and extending the frontline to Italy
>USA still recruiting at this point, unpopularly conscripting endlessly
>USSR moves through southern italy, with minor resistance
>USSR mobilizing states within its borders
>Germany getting into mobilization once again along with Italy
>The rage for Capitalism surpasses the rage against communism as the people of europe had been proven wrong on eugenics, but were proven right on socialism due to stalin`s victory over berlin.
>Remaining nazi and italian war machine put back into service by the Germanic alliance who is not an anexated territory but still part of the USSR
>France becomes an autonomous nation within the USSR
>USA increasing its presence within the UK
>Other states in europe still do claim their neutrality
>USA keeps pumping military hardware out of factories as tensions keep arising from the overburden of the state before its people
>Allies try to embargo the USSR
>Embargoing someone who doesnt have to use water to trade with most of the world.
>Stalin`s reconstruction program kicks in, in the name of Communism all workers of europe will rebuild and overcome.
>USA still doesnt know if it is crazy enough to move into european communist land
>USSR enlists Yugoslavia as an ideological ally
>Chinese revolution breaks out
>USSR moves its southern forces into china and quickly pushes into the mainland, past beijing
>Japan is used as a base for allied advances into mainland china and provided assistance to the capitalist chinese
>War goes on as the USSR still has the dominant manpower in the region, making use of the millions of chinese.
>Stalemate ensure between southern china and the USSR as the chinese forces start to be conscripted into the communist military
Yeah but remember their numbers were much higher than the germans but they almost lost anyways if the americans and europeans had tried they would have fucked the russians
>Other states in the region adopt communism due to its global influence over most of the world
>Revolutions in the middle east
>Stalin absorbs oil giants into the USSR`s sphere
>USA is in literally no position to stop the USSR from taking over the world`s supply of oil.
>First oil clash
>USA starved of petrol
>USSR war machine moves once again uncontested through china, kicking its government back to taiwan just as it is today.
>Most of the world is likely turning communist at this point.
>USA signs weak peace with the USSR
>nearly all of the world eventually falls into the USSR`s influence sphere, even if the chinese do leave it.
This is the most likely scenario and any resistance the USA would put up in Europe would pretty much be meaningless even if constantly reinforced.
Also, nukes are going to be flying everywhere but it will make capitalism look like the destroyers of the world instead of its saviours which will solidify the support for stalin.
Heres how it will go down. People seem to forget that the Soviets economy and production capacity was completely wrecked by 1945. Meanwhile the usa was at full blast and hadn't even completely mobilized yet.
>USA demands immediate withdrawal of all Soviet forces from Europe
>USSR refuses, war against Western powers
>Begins to advance across germany
>USA has total naval and air superiority, fighting becomes impossible for soviets as their armies are bombed to shit
>Strategic bombing further wrecks Soviet economy and production, the entire USSR is in shambles, armies are in dire straits logistically
>More reinforcement armies force depleted soviets into retreat across Europe
>Eventually through war of attrition and bombing the Soviets lose capacity to fight
>Entire Soviet Union is occupied
>World peace acheived
Soviet Union simply didn't have the capacity to compete with the U.S at the end of the war. No Navy, hardly any air Force, Western powers had tech advantage, etc.
when germans attacked, they outnumbered soviet forces in the west and only by the time of battle of moscow there came the siberians and far easterners
>burger education
>Lose 40 million in population
>Lose most of agricultural and industrial output
>Lose most of your economy
>Still expect to win against powers that are more productive, more technologically advanced, in great economic shape, have complete air and naval superiority, have global empires, and have almost unlimited power projection
Fat chance ivan.
USSR at end of war is barely hanging on, they basically have a lot of worthless land and some worthless people. They simply could not compete.
So are we going to forget the entirely of the eastern front?
Aside from the massive amount of War Exhaustion and the fact that the Allies had just pumped an ungodly amount of resources into making sure Russia didnt starve, that would have been too perfect.
all wars are only for (((them)))
It doesnt matter because you are not in position to do anything.
Its like having the best handgun in the world and not having it when you are getting mugged. Whats the point?
The USA has the strongest airforce? Yes it does. But it will not reach into the USSR and most of it will be captured by the advancing armies of the USSR unless they retreat into the UK, who does not have enough airfields to field the USA airforce during that time due to them being already full with the queen`s airforce in place.
The UK cannot take hold of that many aircraft. They simply would not be operational to any relevant capacity.
Airpower really is not relevant at all when you do not have a front line to begin with.
And yes, they have naval power, good that means they can deny the russians the sea and allow for themselves to move into europe, but the USSR does not need the sea at all. It is placed where the war matters.
The USA at this time could not do another invasion against the USSR and hope to ever reach deep enough within its territory. Its simply unthinkable. And it would take a long time to outfit enough troops to do another incursion into europe. Especially after it has been lost. Which WOULD happen.
War is not as simple as you think it is.
What Eastern front? The asian theatre? Eastern Russia would be bombed to shit from bases in japan, then nationalist Chinese forces and western forces would invade and occupy the more important cities. Just wreck the infrastructure and the Soviets would be cut off from the east entirely.
USA starved of petrol? What is Alaska? Texas? North Dakota?
We could've had air bases in any number of countries, turkey, Iran, Norway, Japan, etc. Not to mention aircraft carriers.
You're missing the point though. It's a war of attrition. The untied states would win a war of attrition because they have the ability to replace their troops and military. The USSR does not have that ability.
What is the use of invading and capturing territory when you have no farms, no factories, no transportation, etc? After some time they simply wouldn't be able to fight anymore. Meanwhile the us and uk are protected by oceans and have incredibly powerful wartime economies.
Good point. It's almost as if the West had the wrong ruling class following WW2.
>you consider fresh meat collected from rural states to equally fight real war veterans who outnumber you in automatic weaponry, tanks(which were of better technology than your buckets), artillery and have officers with a huge experience?
Oh really? Oh ok let's see how well you were doing at the beginning of the war before you began amassing casualties
WOW DOESNT LOOK TOO GOOD DOES IT IVAN?
Being this retarded
> If we had invaded Russia whenever all of her troops were in Germany, there would've been no Vietnam War.
If the US hadn't betrayed Viet Minh and supported the frogs, there would've been no Vietnam War.
Save downed American pilots from the Japs he said. USA will help Vietnam gain independence he said.
Ho Chi Minh was definitely wrong about the USA's willingness to betray allies.
Not enough production at this time to keep you alive and still not enough production today.
Forcing rationing of petrol would cause very major dissent within the USA, and keep your industry from any expansion or perhaps even making some of it fail. It is an unwise move. The people would tire of war within weeks.
>Turkey
Incirlik and Izmir were built in the 50s but i`ll tell you right now that after losing the war on the Axis side it really does not have the power to stop the USSR just after the war. Its a minor resistance that can prove a challenge but... nothing too worrysome as the USSR already had troops at its doors with suficient strenght to destroy it.
>Iran
Was under soviet control since 1941
>Japan
Meaningless at this time
>Norway
Only relevant one in the list at this time but still not quite good enough to change the war in a major way.
And by the way, at this time the IL-2, IL-10, Yak fighters and others were not meaningless either.
The red airforce was by no means weak or anything less than `very relevant`. At the beggining of the war they were behind in tech but they ended the war very strong. Dont think for a moment that the RAF and the USAF is going to have a field day with the reds. The Nazis didnt have so much success after the new designs came out and the allies woudnt either if they were to fight.
And its not a war of attrition. You would be starved of global trade and of resources. And yes, the lands would be destroyed but the soviet way at this time still could manage to rebuild.
At this time socialism was not crumbling. It actually worked for quite a while before it showed the signs of decay.
They would go on being able to fight for decades on end. They did rebuild their country after the Nazi invasion as well. It wasnt just left to crumble.
The only difference right now is that they have unquestionable influence throughout eurasia and the USA cannot do much about it.
There we go again...
What would happen if the Nazis kept on pressing britain?
>It would eventually give in and the USA would never get into the war.
So the Soviets lured the USSR into attacking them instead. How? By showing incompetence.
It was on purpose. The KGB was very powerful at that time and they knew what had to be done to avoid the Nazi victory.
If the reds were that incompetent against the finnish then they would have been obliterated by the Nazis. Which is not what happened.
A similar episode can be seen with Japan entering a war against the USA, a country 3000 miles away from them because they were fooled into fearing the USA who had no desire to attack Japan.
In fact, the KGB instilled fear was so heavy that they abandoned any attempt on pushing the eastern front of Manchuria and focused instead on drawing another superpower into the fight against them. Maybe if they werent played while thinking the japanese men to be the godly race and therefore unable to be fooled operation barbarossa would have succeeded.
Lured the nazis*
I'll take the Russians side anytime.
Americans are loudmouthed and obnoxious. Most of the Russians I meet are open-minded, easygoing, liberal, sharing (even in the 90's they were the most liberal filesharers), bright people.
So many cuties, too.