This makes no sense to me Sup Forums, how does all this bullshit make America better?
And don't give me some U.S petrodollar bullshit because Canada doesn't use U.S dollars yet we do everything the U.S does foreign policy wise
>inb4 Canada is cucked by U.S
May be true but we are also as rich as them, so if the U.S is doing it to prop up their super petro dollar or whatever the benefits aren't that great because nations that don't do that like Canada are just as good.
I wouldn't mind closing some bases and scaling back a bit. However, you fuck up one time and we nuke your ass. That is how it should be.
I don't think it's beneficial, but I would encourage you to have a look at "The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski, which makes the case for the need for the US to maintain dominance over the world and in fact to take over Central Asia in order to maintain a stable post-USSR world.
It's short, well-written, and insightful. It's the sort of thing people should know about if we're to devise a better solution.
>I don't think it's beneficial, but I would encourage you to have a look at "The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski, which makes the case for the need for the US to maintain dominance over the world and in fact to take over Central Asia in order to maintain a stable post-USSR world
Why though? Why? How does that affect the U.S other than costing a bazillion in bases everywhere.
Rome used their dominance to enrich themselves, why isn't U.S doing the same?
In a way we do. We have a huge corporations that make a shit load of money with each conflict. The elites enrich themselves by telling us some shit hole country is a threat and needs to be invaded. In turn grabbing up the spoils of war for themselves.
There are enough reasons to have to write an entire book about it, but the most convincing one in my opinion is that if the US withdraws too much force projection then the resulting power vacuum will result in instability and chaos.
Also there is a question of competing powers re-establishing themselves and potentially doing so as more tyrannical and conflict-prone regimes than the US. This part was well-intentioned I think but really the key failure in the plan because the US wound up reverting to spreading tyranny and conflict itself. Brzezinski blames the neocons for this, and I would agree with him on that one. His book also poses the question of how to proceed in a way that respects human dignity and the advancement of civilization, and how to expand American power in a way that both the US and the target areas could welcome.
> We have a huge corporations that make a shit load of money with each conflict
That's bad for the country though, more wealth inequality
>The elites enrich themselves by telling us some shit hole country is a threat and needs to be invaded. In turn grabbing up the spoils of war for themselves.
Then why did even the anti-corporate Presidents like Obama Kennedy and FDR do it?
I would say that the impact on wealth inequality would not be a huge impact, as these corporations feed a large job base. However, when we start funding ridiculous military projects with immense fees, then maybe we need to rethink things.
I also think this corporations are also just along for the ride. I am sure Obama got kickbacks and it is a way to keep the populace passive. That there is always another enemy lurking around the corner. Stay calm and Big Brother will protect you.
>I would say that the impact on wealth inequality would not be a huge impact, as these corporations feed a large job base
So basically they take our tax dollars, create a war so corporations can get money, and then we have to work EVEN more for these corporations to get the wealth back. So we work twice for the same amount of wealth.
That's the self-feeding monster Eisenhower warned us about in his exit speech. Kennedy, despite his flaws, admirably wanted to avoid escalating conflict and wanted to rein in the out-of-control CIA.
"War is a Racket" by US Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler is another excellent read, covering how the US military had turned into a mafia arm of the big corporations to exploit foreign countries for wealth. In my view, the Spanish-American War is a key turning point for the US going from an attempt at doing better than Europe to a colonial power.
And it's even worse than you describe, really, once you understand what the Federal Reserve Bank really is. In the context of this thread, you could quite rightly say that it is just an infinite pot of gold to fund more wars.
>FED bank
Those conspiracies were debunked already.
Which conspiracies?
That the FED puts America into debt by buying bonds. The theory stated that Lincoln fought back against the system by issuing his own U.S backed dollars yet if you look at the facts the debt went up during the civil war meaning Lincoln borrowed money not printed it.
They also state that Hitler did the same thing but looking at Germany their debt skyrocketed
>Out-of-control CIA
And to think how fucked up it has gotten with the numerous intelligence agencies we already now have.
Our military isn't big enough for us to be aggressive.
US sell us burkes and F35 plz
The USA owns the fucking world and you can't own the world if you can't shit on it at will. Grow the fuck up and be happy that it's the USA that is the sole super power and not the fucking soviets or worse.
>owns the world
Then why are they going 1 tril more in debt every year
just grow up
We could nick some of that 1 trillion down by getting rid of unnecessary bureaucracy and entitlements.
Isn't welfare like 0.4% of the budget?
I don't remember off the top of my head. But by entitlements I mean everything part of the welfare state, so social security and medicare included.
The real way in which the Federal Reserve puts us into debt is by loaning dollars into existence and then charging interest on that debt at a profit to itself. Congress looked into this in 1981 ("Grace Commission") and correctly determined that the income tax doesn't actually pay for anything. It's just the owners of the Federal Reserve sucking wealth out of the nation, and, as a result, controlling the country's operations by controlling the money. Just like every Rothschild central bank. Just as Ben Franklin observed, the real reason why we broke off from England in the first place.
"The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffen is an excellent book about this, and has lots of citations.
As for Weimar, you'd want to look into Hjalmar Schact. It was actually a very successful plan at first, since the idea was to issue fiat currency to pay for economic production. You could consider Kublai Kahn, for instance, who did something similar to rebuild much of Ghengis's empire, but then fell prey to the usual temptation of making money up out of nowhere to fund expansionary wars and the inevitable resulting inflation and collapse of what he'd built. Not unlike Rome, either, I suppose.
>Then why are they going 1 tril more in debt every year
Because they're so powerful that they can afford it.
>but we are also as rich as them
kek, can you believe this guy?
...
>presidents
>anti corporate
can someone be so bluepilled in pol?
is this your first day or am I falling for the bait
Under the Federal Reserve system, the debt cannot be eliminated without eliminating all dollars. That would create a global deflationary collapse of spectacular proportion before we even got close to eliminating the debt, and it is mathematically impossible to do so anyway because there aren't enough dollars to pay back the interest on the existence of the dollars.
At best it can only be managed. The idea is that if we can grow the economy at pace with the growing inflation then things remain stable. Sadly, this is difficult and arguably suicidal. Keynes was asked about this inevitability and his curious reply was something to the effect of "we'll all be dead by then."
>obama
>pro-corporate
You're trolling
Actually we're richer, by capita average Canadian makes more
LOL but if they could afford it they wouldn't be in debt
SS generates money, eliminating that would reduce revenue
That myth has been debunked. Under Lincoln the debt went up despite him issuing money, proving it has nothing to do with FED controlling the money
It reminds the rest of the world and countries that want to take over their neighbors that
AMERICA WILL KILL YOU ALL IF YOU STEP OUT OF LINE.
Is this a good thing? Yes, because America treats the world better than China, Russia, Germany, Japan, or any other disgusting foreigner empire would.
The Federal Reserve Act wasn't established until 1913. It doesn't really matter what Lincoln did.
>The Federal Reserve Act wasn't established until 1913
That my friend is proof of my point.
The debt has been growing since America's Founding, this act didn't change much at all.
its only cause you litterally live in a desolated ice wasteland and dont have the same amount of population
Our current SS is unsustainable. People would have more money in retirement if they invested their own money, and not rely on the scraps the government throws them. SS and Medicare is unnecessary anyway, there was a time when 1 in 4 adults were members of mutual aid societies.
its only cause you litterally live in a desolated ice wasteland and dont have the same amount of population
>its only cause you litterally live in a desolated ice wasteland
Yet we still manage to be richer, are Canadians just superior?
>dont have the same amount of population
Holy shit that is proof alone Canadians are just superior people. We have lower population yet still manage to be richer. Are Canadians officially master-race?
Oh, well that's not really the issue so much as the implications of control over the issuance of currency (and thereby the government and economy) by a transnational banking cartel, and compounding the problem by sucking wealth out of the people via the income tax, interest on the currency itself, and an inflation rate that basically serves as a death tax by the time you reach the end of your life.
Wait so if people fund it themselves how is it a drain on society?
Alright so who controlled the debts before 1913?
Capitalism = Innovation
Bureaucracy/Socialism = Inefficiency
Due to costs from longer lived aging population only 75% of SS will be able to be covered by 2035.
Who controlled the debts? That's a bizarre and I suspect unproductive question. No one entity ever controlled the debts.
All I was saying to begin with is that the ability to borrow an almost endless amount of money to fund anything necessary to prop up the empire is a tremendous power that will naturally lead toward an aggressive foreign policy. It's a tremendous and valuable power, but also a dangerous one with an inherent destructive nature.
>canadians
lel probably anglo too
To be safe you must either be strong yourself or be under the wing of someone strong
If we are not the strongest someone else will be, and then we have far too much risk of them crushing us, because they could
Freedom aint free leaf
>All I was saying to begin with is that the ability to borrow an almost endless amount of money to fund anything necessary to prop up the empire is a tremendous power that will naturally lead toward an aggressive foreign policy
How? How does being able to have endless money stolen from you lead to aggressive foreign policy
Dutch but nice try.
There's this thing called living in peace
Same reason free loans to buy houses leads to a housing bubble. When there's endless more money and that's something most of the rest of the world can't do, then obviously that's going to be used to maintain power over the competition.
It isn't beneficial to anyone. It's a massive waste of time, money, effort and lives. The Donald might manage to tone it down, you never know. Here's hoping anyway.
Peace also isnt free.
There is no such thing as peace, you mongoloid. While you are peaceful someone else is preparing for war.
And while world peace sounds fucking awesome, it can never happen. No one cant trust anyone else to not pull the trigger while we're all sleeping, so instead we all lie awake at night with a gun under our pillow. And we get progressively bigger guns.
The only time you can be at peace is when you are too strong for anyone else to fuck with, or when youre under the wing of the strong so they fight battles for you, and you can have the luxury of ignoring them.
This is why the world today sucks. Everyone talks about freedom and peace and security like these are virtues that have been died and fought for over and over. The ONLY exist as flowers that sprout from the graves of many who wished the future to possess them, if only for a little while.
>canadians
chinadians in richmond
>free loans
The FED is taking money from banks yet they still afford loans to give out, that doesn't cause a bubble
Then why do politcians do it?
Wrong. We can all live in peace and focus our resources on enriching our lives rather than war and shit.
I like having a strong military for no other reason than that I simply don't trust the rest of the world. If we scaled down significantly enough, some alliance would try to invade us. It's easy to say they wouldn't when the world is staring down the barrel of our powerful Navy and Air Force, not to mention our nuclear arsenal, but if we degrade those things, I don't believe for a second the world wouldn't come rushing in.
>how does having an aggressive foreign policy benefit America
America has never waged a war on our own soil since we took Texas and the rest of that territory from Mexico.
We like it to stay that way. Pushing missile defenses all the way up to Russia, destabilizing the middle east, and fucking up Chinese foreign relations with ALL of its neighbors, and parking carrier groups around that part of the world basically ensures there are zero countries prepared to wage conventional war with America.
Really Canada is in a pretty comfy position. It doesn't have to worry about land invasion, it's right next to the superpower with a national security interest in protecting it, and it's connected into the Commonwealth so it has a degree of independence.
>gee why can't everybody be as happy-go-lucky as Canada?
No, we cant.
You're telling me that youre going to implicitly trust every country around the globe to do the same thing you're doing?
Even if you think this is possible, tell me, how would we get to that point? Right now, if the USA were to lay down all arms and become weak, become "peaceful", what do you think would happen to it?
I know right? All these fucking pansies.
"Why cant we all be niiiiiice?"
The only reason Cana-cucks can even dare to think that everyone should just be kind to everybody is because the USA is their shield, and they dont even appreciate it.
Canada would have been annexed, pillaged, and raped thousands of times over if not for us.
Peace can only come when no one is capable of attacking you.
>We can all live in peace
Go spread your gospel to rest of the world. Maybe in a thousand years we can have peace, but not in the next hundred.
>capita average
you have to make more to cover your added taxes
>Europe
Peace loving liberals, run by U.N/E.U democracy, wouldn't be allowed to attack us by their own laws
>Russia
They are good boys now with Putin and Putin is like so chill with Trump, they wouldn't attack us
>China
They are too busy making money off us to want to invade
>Africa
Couldn't invade us
That's kinda fucked tho
Yeah but why can't countries just get rational and stop attacking each-other?
The world would think that's really cool and reliefed since most of U.S thinks U.S.A is the "great satan" and they would think it's chill that America is finally making love not war
You're a pansy freak
Yeah but the taxes get redistributed amongst us.
>The world would think thats really cool and reliefed
Underage detected
Come back when you arent 14
The world would immediately jump on us and destroy us. There would be no more USA.
>you're a pansy freak
Wow nice argument, underaged
The United States fucked up the Middle East just so they could drink its oil
>Yeah but why can't countries just get rational and stop attacking each-other?
Because we're in the grips of the people who have always been working on establishing a one world government. The global banking cabal is part of this for the reasons I attempted to outline; that as well as geopolitical strategy dictates who the "enemies" are.
Remember when """Al Qaeda""" toppled Libya? One of the first things they did was to install a Rothschild central bank. Who knew Muslim terrorists were actually Jewish banking experts?
Yeah sure they totally would do that. When I was in high-school this kid beat me up once because he was really tall and strong and then he was like man I felt bad for doing that and I was like no problem I didn't think of ways to get back I thought it was chill he apologized
Except they didn't, where is the oil coming in? A major pipe?
Central Banks are a meme, countries always have debts.
The US military isn't that aggressive by global standards, it's just mindbogglingly powerful, which you find intimidating and therefore chalk up as aggressiveness, rather than admit your own comparative impotence.
Canada most definitely benefits from the US petro-dollar. read a book you fucking frostback.
It's all about the PetroDollar.
>Trade in USD or else we bomb you.
>We print USD freely and trade them to you for your stuff
>We import more than we export (eg paper exported for imported oil)
>We are the global empire that the whole world feeds. Maintained via huge global War Machine.
Once the petrodollar collapses next year, the US is bye-bye
>May be true but we are also as rich as them.
>1/8th GDP
Kek
Because the majority of the world are subhumans who left to their own devices will spread their bullshit to the civilized word.
The Arab must live under the boot.
It invades a country like every 5 seconds how is that not aggressive?
How? We don't even use have issuing power of U.S dollars. Read a book
Then why is Canada a country that can't issue USD just as rich as America, a country that has this global empire?
>GPD per capita
>almost the same
KEK
And so what if your GDP per capita is like 1000 dollars more, we are managing without this massive global empire.
However, an international cabal of central banks pulling the strings by having a monopoly on spending or restricting the flow of money to whatever they want is not a meme.
If you would prefer to ignore the G. Edward Griffen book, then perhaps check out Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins, or even The Secret Team by L. Fletcher Prouty for a more (literally) boots-on-the-ground view of how finance is used for global control.
>$15 billion trade deficit in 2015
>frequently just gives millions to canada just for being our hat
>protects canada from bullies
youre a retard and a faggot.
>GPD per capita
Nobody gives a fuck about Chuck the Cuck, when Uncle Sam has SAM's nukes and satellites
>It invades a country like every 5 seconds how is that not aggressive?
Name 4 in the last 10 years.
if you want a country to stop doing something, it's nice to be able to say "or else".
>Confessions of an Economic Hitman
He's saying exactly the opposite. He says first worlders benefit from American imperialism. The other books I will check out
>$15 billion trade deficit in 2015
You mean Canada had a trade deficit with the U.S or vice versa
>frequently just gives millions to canada just for being our hat
Foreign aid is pretty rare actually
>protects Canada from bullies
No one wants to bully Canada dumbass, if you don't start fights no one wants to fight you everyone is chill if you aren't an imperialist retard
Well maybe we should stop wasting money on war and shit and spend it on cool shit
Afganistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Yemen
How about stop trying to boss around the world?
trade deficit in canada's favor.
last year we gave you over 30 million just for funzies.
its called cognitive dissidence to say we fuck with people for no reason, then in the next breath say nobody fucks with you if you dont fuck with anybody else.
>trade deficit in canadas favor
That just means you bought $15 million more from us than we bought from you, nothing wrong with that
>last year we gave you over 30 million
I doubt it was for free
we bought it with that fun petro-dollar. if the US collapsed canada would collapse even harder.
Because it really does make the country more secure. And a secure country prospers and thus becomes a more attractive target for habituation.
It's like a bird finding a nice comfy spot and aggressively keeping other males away from it to attract the female.
>This makes no sense to me Sup Forums, how does all this bullshit make America better?
The reason you don't understand our war policy, leaf, is because you and and the rest of the 2cuckedcrew up there don't understand football.
The best defense is a good offense.
Yeah but it would be so chill if the U.S was more like isolationist. They were pretty fine then, Canada was fine, they were still buying shit from Canada. I mean it was a much more chill time when America like left everyone alone and shit
But America is going 1 tril in debt every year, clearly this war isn't paying off since they are booming in debt
Yeah but why can't everyone just be chill with eachother, like U.S doesn't attack them they don't attack U.S. Like world peace
>Afganistan,
Started 15 years ago
>Iraq,
Started 13 years ago
>Syria,
There was an invasion?
>Libya,
SF but fair enough
>Yemen
See: Libya
So that's 2 in 10 years.
I don't think everybody is going to just chill out. Even without military war, we still have financial, economic, and demographic war.
However ideally Trump will afford the ability to scale back on neocon levels of agression and work toward returning our efforts toward domestic prosperity and merely holding the rest of the world in check. Containing Russia is one thing; trying to take away its ports is different.
>we do everything the U.S does foreign policy wise
Does it hurt to be so globally unimportant that you have to pretend to play with the big dogs?
Shut up man. If they catch on, we're all screwed. Despite all the fuck ups, this is still by far the most peaceful period the world has ever seen. Much of that depends on American hegemony, especially American naval supremacy given the importance of naval shipping to international trade. We as Canadians can only maintain the budget that we do because America guarantees our independence with their defense budget.
American foreign policy isn't always the best for them and it certainly isn't the best for the countries they fuck up, but as a Westerner, I damn sure do appreciate that American foreign policy is what sustains the current world order and unprecedented level of peace and international trade.
>started 15 years ago
U.S is still in, the fact that they invaded them 15 years ago and are STILL in is proof of my point
>Started 13 years ago
Same point
>Syria
Yeah they funded underground rebel groups instead of actually invading
>SF but fair enough
What?
>See Libya
What?
Dude you have to realize that people aren't born bad, ok maybe if the U.S would chill the fuck out the rest of the world would chill the fuck out as well. Canada was chill as fuck until Harper and there was like no war
>pretend
Trudeau got us on the G7 and we were 1 vote away from being on the U.N security counsel
A leaf spouting actual common sense intelligently? WTF just happened here?
Underage detected
Whether people are born bad or not isn't important. What's important is that there will always be bad people and there will always be people, good or bad, who seek to remake the world according to their own views. Ergo, we will always be in some form of competition for mere self-preservation. I'd rather the US not have to dominate the world the way it does now, but what could replace that without being worse and how exactly to get there is an unsolved question.
I agree that we are probably better off running fewer destabilization campaigns (of which Libya was one) as a pragmatic step in the right direction.
And really the incumbant reality of transhumanism is where we need to be thinking ahead about what to do. If nothing is done, then it will likely de facto take over the world, the species, and reality as we know it, making technological progress itself part of the endless battle for self-preservation.
>one normal person
>comparative to world leaders of countries
Yes, yes they would do that. Because the people who are powerful are the ones who thirsted for that power, and they will thirst for more. Taking the US would give them that power.
>neo-con bullshit
>common sense
Dude notice has attacked the U.S.A who hasn't been attacked itself by the U.S.A? That shows U.S needs to chill the fuck out
Only USA leaders are thirsty for power I mean like go to Canada Trudeau is chill as fuck Putin is like chill with Trump that german bitch is economically fucking up europe but when it comes to military she's chill as fuck
No one isn't chill with the U.S except countries that are attacked by U.S
The only ones who have directly attacked the US in recent history are the neocons. They're responsible for 9/11. They're responsible for stirring up domestic violence. They're responsible for the presence of questionable people all over the place.
They're responsible for a great deal of the main active conflicts in the world since 9/11, which they used as their "new pearl harbor" to kick off the endless war on terror I referenced initially as the implementation of American Primacy in that Brzezinski book. They're responsible for the heroin epidemic.
Chill out is not enough. They need to be tried for treason and war crimes.
Youre only able to exist because we protect you
Man you don't understand a goddamn thing about waging war in the modern era.
You don't just fuck a country up and leave anymore. There are lasting economic and political consequences for doing that.
You're SUPPOSED to occupy the country and rebuild it so that it doesn't send wave after wave of refugees across Europe and fuck it up.
So fucking what if we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq over a decade ago and destroyed them in 12 weeks, yet are still occupying it? It takes time to rebuild those shitholes.
I know they are against marijuana but i think if more world leaders, senators, judges, and congressmen smoked weed the world would be like so much more peaceful.
No Canada has like a bro code with the world man like we don't attack them they don't attack us
Putin wants to recreate ths Soviet Union, he recently invaded the Ukraine for fucks sale. Trudeau would not be able to protect your country if it were in war.
How about ISIS? Or North Korea? Or Erdogan who killed opposition or jailed them.
The US is not the only power thirsty country. ALL world leaders thirst for Power, some are more successful than others. Your Trudeau is unsuccessful.
are you saying refugees are the problem
keeps the cucks in check
Yes, imagine us fucking up Iraq and leaving. The entire population of Iraq getting up and moving north.
You know, what happened to Syria because we didn't intervene. Now Germany is being fucking stupid and Europe is getting destroyed by refugees. Sort of what we worked to prevent in Afghanistan and Iraq.
>Rome used their dominance to enrich themselves, why isn't U.S doing the same?
?????
We are, you stupid fucking leaf.
>wants to re-create the USSR
bullshit man USSR was like athiest Putin is nationalist christian
> invaded the Ukraine for fucks sale
Ukrains is a Nazi Fascist state man and used to be part of Russia anyway
> Trudeau would not be able to protect your country if it were in war.
Then just don't go to war
>How about ISIS
Trudeau is drone-striking them
>North Korea
Ok the U.S is like fucked up, but North Korea, man that country is fuuuucked up. I think the U.N needs to deal with it
>Erdogan
U.N sanctions man what he did to those journalists was not cool
>Your Trudeau is unsuccessful.
Man he is pretty militarily strong he is increasing air-strikes on ISIS and shit
>we didn't intervene
Dude the U.S like fucked up Syria don't blame Germany
Then how come the U.S gets poorer and poorer and more bankrupt and more bankrupt every intervention they do?
The current US military is a complete shit show.
Congress votes for wars, which requires tax spending on weapons and equipment.
It just so happens that these same members of congress are lobbied by weapons contractors( bribed), or are on the board of directors of said defence contractors(corrupt).
Its like a very easy way to get millionaire level gibs.
They need a target to attack, and US are good goys, so they wont question defending Israel from d' 911 moslems.
>Fuck cunt neocons on Sup Forums think they are doing anything else but eating Israeli faeces
>Then how come the U.S gets poorer and poorer and more bankrupt and more bankrupt every intervention they do?
The gambit here is to use the US in order to achieve the new world order, within which the US has to be ground down to 3rd world status and depopulated anyway. So it's kind of a "money is no object" operation provided that they can keep the game going long enough to succeed. Things are now fucked up enough that it turns into a game of last man standing, where our bankruptcy doesn't matter too much as long as no competing power overtakes it. Besides, systemic corruption and lawlessness nearing fall-of-empire levels is parasitic enough to make it difficult to do otherwise.
Check out UN Agenda 21, which is now 2030 (since things never quite go as planned or happen as quickly as one would like).
Another bubble or few could well be enough to keep the economy together for long enough to maintain and drive the technological superiority necessary to steer the course of whatever comes next.