A Muslim doctor wants to emigrate to the United States of America. He is verifiably moderate. He has campaigned against jihad. He has a useful specialty.
Why do you oppose his emigration?
>remember, Western values dictate that collective guilt is a bad thing
Well? Come on now.
Not all at once.
His children will likely be radicalized, which is a consistent theme among american islamic terrorist.
Moderate fathers.
Extremist sons.
Massive immigration has always been the problem.
One outlier who may help isn't worth the risk
There is plenty of doctors from non Muslim countries
As a civic nationalist, I see no reason to deny his fundamental right to immigrate here, and would gladly let him inseminate my wife and let me raise the resulting children.
The Nazis killed the superior Jews for the sake of retaining their identity.
>A Muslim
Absolutely fucking not.
>likely
So you'd penalize someone for what is "likely" to happen to others?
what's stopping his kids from being violent mudslimes?
>let him inseminate my wife and let me raise the resulting children.
Funny thing is, I believe this.
>Verifiably moderate
he's allowed in then. Pretty simple. Just come legally.
islam is always a risk to any society, also on an eugenic point of view his genes are trash
What's stopping you from being Elliott Rodger?
Anyone experienced in demography and trends recognizes the value of generalization.
And look where that got them - a whole nation guilt tripped into suicide/puppet controlled by the US.
>emigrate
you don't know the difference between immigrate and emigrate do you
>Why do you oppose his emigration?
Because he believes in an ideology founded by a mass-murdering pedophile that is incompatible with Western values. It doesn't matter how much you cherry-pick. It is evil at its core. Ditch Islam, and we'll consider you. You want to cling to your pedo hero? Fuck off. Also, going off some UK statistics, children of muslim immigrants tend to be more radical than their parents, so there's also that.
I'd say that he's not asian, but considering he's canadian, he might just be.
Both asians and arabics are disproportionately high for mass murderers.
>Muslim
>Verifiably moderate
Pick one and ask again
>Why do you oppose his speciality
Who says I do?
However, I also don't think that it's sane or logical to just grant these people complete free reign and forget about them. Nor is it sensible to just assume that any children of theirs born in our countries will be necessarily proud Westerners.
For their sake and for ours, we should work with them to ensure that these individuals and their families integrate properly into Western civilisation. Any failure to comply and integrate should mean immediate deportation, no questions asked.
What we read is:
>A non Muslim Muslim ie an Arab wants to take a piece of the pie
So naturally the answer is:
>Do we have a surplus of pie?
>>Why do you oppose his speciality
Wew, fucked up the quote. You know what I meant OP.
His doctorate is useless in the US. He'd just be another cab driver
Western values say collective guilt is bad? What about Germany and the 6 gorillion?
A doctor trained in a Muslim country is about the same as an EMT in america
First, the company has to do all in its power to hire a native employee. This has to be proven, any violation and they will receive a heavy lawsuit that will cripple them as a stark punishment to any who try to flaunt this law.
Next, this brown person will be allowed in to work if its necessary, with a visa. He and his children, even if born on our soil, will never be citizens. Whenever his value has run out, he will be deported back to islamistan along with his children.
>inb4 this is super cruel and edgy
I copy pasted it from japan
His children will end up radical because he will chastise them for "not being good muslims" yet they will see him partake in western culture at the same time. This will give them a profoundly shitty complex and radicalize them.
How about fuck off.
Why would we want to deprive muslim countries of their doctors, especially when they are also such great people outside of their medical expertise?
Did I trigger you friend?
What would you include as criteria for assimilation?
How would we know what amount of pie we need or have?
Removing him from his environment is detrimental to the area. Bringing in the scum of the region is detrimental to us. Bringing in the best it can produce, is detrimental to the region. His region needs people like him.
In that absolutely specific case I will not oppose it. I only oppose the importation of Muslims by the millions.
No his religion specifically allows them to lie about their faith to infiltrate non-muslim societies.
Islam specifically wants to convert all other faiths.
There is no such thing as a moderate muslim.
Very important. As a Muslim myself I must ask: What country is he from and what type of Muslim?
...
He's from a religion with a strong proclivity towards extremism and acts of terrorism. It's almost impossible to vet people from this religion. For the greater good we just cannot accept him at this time.
Once things are sorted out he can reapply in the future.
>moderate
>Muslim
What sect is he from?
>Why do you oppose his emigration?
Because he should be putting his skills to work improving his own country for the sake of his children and fellow countrymen, not giving liberals an excuse to let savages shit up ours.
if he's a specialist doing some research in his own field
he'll be able to secure a work license + visa without going through any NGO/ charity/ gov plan
just saying...
all your refugees are nowhere near that capacity
No such thing as a """moderate""" muslim.
The most critical question is how is he attempting to access the country.
Is he doing it legally?
If the answer is no then fuck off.
OP seriously, important to me as an actual Muslim. What sect and what country?
Yes absolutely dumbass. That's basic security.
Because he'll vote looser laws so his crazy uncle and cousins can come in.
Not being allowed to immigrate is not a penalty.
Immigration is not a right, no injustice is committed by denying a foreigner citizenship or harbour in a country.
A foreign citizen is not assured the protections and conveniences that domestic citizens enjoy.
>muslim doctor
>this woman had a baby outside marriage, she must die!
yeah, bad idea
easy
if he really loved America, he wouldn't be a Muslim
Loving America should be a requirement to immigrate to America
Immigration is not a right and there is no obligation to accept immigrants. There is no need to provide any justification whatsoever.
Shitty ideology that brings unwarrented deaths
He is a Sunni from the island of Sumatra, not Aceh.
>What would you include as criteria for assimilation?
The simple question is "are they indistinguishable (or almost indistinguishable) from native born citizens?".
We're talking about moral values and cultural references. They must wholly understand, embrace, and submit to Western culture. Do they go to the mosque, or are they coming down the pub? Do they continue to rant about Palestine and Israel, or are they going to settle down and watch the football? Etc.
>what is a "gun free zone"
I will gladly accept both muslims meeting this description into my country
>oppose his emigration?
its simple were full
He should stay where he is and help lives there.
...don't they have to come here and pass boards before they can practice?
We oppose emigration because the overwhelming majority of them wouldn't be of any value to the US, and would actually be harmful in some cases.
This applies to "niggers" and "spics" too. The words mostly refer to those who live in the slums, being worthless garbage with no societal value whatsoever. If a black or mexican is smart, is a certified US citizen, and gives value to this country, more power to them. This also applies to the muslim doctor example. If we could get him and only him to come over, hell yeah he'd probably make the US a better place. Get thousands of potentially US hating emigrants and bring them in and now you're going to have a problem.
because for every doctor we get 10 shit ones
I only oppose his emigration if he wont integrate into society and adopt western values.
>Emigrate
Yes, I do support him.
GET THE FUCK OUT. REEEEEEEEE
OP IGNORE ALL THE FAGGOTS IN THIS THREAD
now that I have you attention, allow me to explain: we have no problem with HIM coming in, and that"s not what we are arguing. we are arguing that massive floods of unskilled, possibly diseased people, who will take away employment from native workers are bad. You seem like a rational person, and you are unfortunately, mistaken.
1. Dow we need another docotor?
-No
>Fuck off we're full
-Yes
>Proceed with step 2
2. Are there any other doctors, like Poles, Russians, Spainiards?
-Yes
>Fuck off, we're full
-No
>You're getting this 3 year visa which we might decide to extend.
See
This
His own country will never become a developed country if all the valuable and competent people abandon the ship. Thus I believe he should stay home for the sake of his own people who need him more than we do.
Luckily they seem to think alike, for such a person, based on your description, has yet to emigrate to the west.
Fuck off, we're full.
correct term is hydrophobic you fag.
Welcome.
Immigration should be based on merits.
Well educated people, tend to have a high IQ, are willing to adapt to their new home and simulate the behavior of the country's successful people.
Western immigration is now inspired by bleeding heart stories and pictures of crying children. Immigration officials are a generation of liberal upbringing with a hyped sensation "multiculturalism".
It's open borders for the poor, uneducated and unwanted, even escaping criminals.
No, I wouldn't want him to come here because his country needs intelligent and skilled workers far more than the first world does
Doctors and Engineers are a dime a dozen here, they're a rare treasure over in a developing shithole
>verifiably moderate
We can read thoughts?
OP here - do you think there is -any- value that either (1) Muslims as a whole or (2) individual high utility Muslims could provide to the USA?
No.
If he comes then there's one less smart person in the Middle East that could help develop his own homeland. If all the shitheads are left there in their native countrys then nothing good will happen there.
So no stay there
Him and one Wife only, both must be vetted thoroughly. Never allowed to use their immigration status to bring additional family.
because a shitskin and no useful trade. we don't need for doktuhs as they will be made absolete by the automation jew in 30 years.
They are all moderate, until they go on a killing spree.
Good point, actually.
He's Muslim.
there is value, but there are also disadvantages. under CONTROL (what we want), immigration is good and useful. when we open the flood gates, then all value is thrown out the window.
Side note, you dont need to say "op here", we have id's on this board.
If you want a serious response, watch this: youtube.com
>citation needed
radicalization really only happens when you have a kid who's alienated and depressed
cf. sad teens that become stormweenies
His home country doesn't need him around?
See, he leaves his Durkastan country and three more male babies are born to take his place
and chances are good none of the three males born and raised to take his place will ever achieve close to what he has.
I wouldn't want him to come to my country, because he's not white.
That's it.
The only reason.
The only reason that matters.
And I'm completely justified in saying it.
he has his own country. fuck off.
>Muslim
>verifiably moderate
He's not really a Muslim then is he?
You don't emigrate to, you emigrate from. You immigrate to. Fucking sandcoons can't even into English
Elias Zerhouni (an algerian) used to be director of the NIH.
It sets a precedent. Basically, you can either not let anyone from the Middle East in or let everyone in. There can't really be an in-between.
maybe you missed it, but a couple weeks ago a muslim brain surgeon killed his wife here in Canada
>moderate
Totally meaningless word.
Western "values" dictate no such thing and are meaningless anyway against unapologetic collectivists.
Sup Forums is full of doublethinking retards
>the pope (the fucking leader of an entire religion) and many evangelicals push for immigration and the acceptance of refugees
>Sup Forums: "pfft, they aren't real christians. They're cucks!"
>a few thousand muslims out of a billion commit terror attacks
>"KILL ALL MUZZIES DEUS VULT DEUS VULT CRUSADE WHEN ALL MUSLIMS NEED TO DIE REEEEEEEE"
I've had run-ins with Arab and Paki doctors.
They are all completely shit and have the bedside manner of Ted Bundy.
Chew on this you fucking faggot:
dailymail.co.uk
>>the pope (the fucking leader of an entire religion)
You want the pope to start killing mudshites you retsrded streetshitter, You currygoblings sure are fucking retarded.
Bringing in skilled workers isnt a problem as countries should be able to fill whatever positions the local population lacks.Mass emigration of low skilled laborers from backward ass goatfuckistan is a problem.
he's not white
checkmate liberals
Because second generation Muslims are more radicalized than their parents.
No.
Because there are millions of non-Muslim doctors who are equally qualified but were not raised in a culture which is the antithesis of everything the west stands for.
We can afford to be choosey about who we let in.