Why do liberals despise patriotism and nationalism so much?

Why do liberals despise patriotism and nationalism so much?

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They see it as a barrier to equity.

because they believe in the global brotherhood of people and a world state. They are progressivists and see the history as the constant liberation of a single person from any inherited cultural traits to the point when you can identify with everybody and the world exists only of individual particularisms, not any collective traits

Also remember that contemporary liberals are in reality neo-communists, who only took the liberal label because marxism and socialism was associated with Soviet Union

>Why do liberals despise patriotism and nationalism so much?
Now that all the conservaturds are busy worshiping the Kremlin, the only patriots left in a America are the liberals.

Because those 2 dont exist in a socialist society

>Leftists are ushering in a stupid, more idiotic version of McCarthyism.

It's a binding of people from a nation regardless of background or anything else really where they feel a sense of pride of what's within their borders and the culture. Nationalists believe their nation is unique and worth preserving while liberals are the opposite. The liberal utopian worldview simply cannot comprehend wanting to preserve identity, culture, and stability. Regardless of consequences a liberal is willing to sacrifice whatever it costs to accomplish an ideal. A patriot/nationalist values much.

maybe because allegiance to an imaginary object is a sign of autism

People whom you are supposed to have a lot in common with are not an imaginary object. A nation is supposed to be a collection of individuals that share a common set of values.

It just so happens though that we're physical beings and so physical proximity and thus territory are used as ways to try and guarantee that.

This is going to sound edgy, but I have come to believe that liberals hate anything beautiful, traditional, strong, capable or noteworthy. They hate achievement, they hate when a nation or a people rises to greatness.

countries of shit governance create leftists.
then leftists take political power and does more shit governance.

Because those societies celebrate intelligent and attractive people.

>Liberals despise allegiance to imaginary object
>Liberals worship government

a "nation" is literally imaginary lines in the sand drawn up by some rich fuck so that they can claim you as "their citizens" and then tax you and send you to die in wars to so they can get richer

nationalism and patriotism is proud bootlicking, the cuckiest of attitudes

Forgot to mention the most important point:

Progressives want their communist parties to come into power. They know the native population would never want this kind of subversion, so progressives push for mass immigration to get the votes they need. This is why they hate nationalism, because nationalists don't like lots of foreign immigrants. But they are necessary for the progressive agenda.

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Liberals are the true patriots, the US was founded by liberals

don't worry, I think they're stupid too

just like any patriot or nationalist or government cuck

Im going to assume you're a butthurt liberal.
>wants more middle eastern refugees
>supports hillary clinton unironically while browsing Sup Forums
>...fuck it pic related..

pride in imaginary lines arbitrarily drawn on a map?
its not just liberals its anyone with a fully functioning brain that thinks nationalism is retarded
Patriotism.. yeah go ahead join the army or do some public good no harm in that

They are taught world war 2 was caused by nationalism and therefore nationalism is bad.

No nationalism is having a sense of fucking community with your fellow human beings.

If the state of Germany were to diss- okay wait, Germans are fucking cucks.

Okay, bad example. If America were to stop being a country tomorrow, there would still be people who would be nationalistic because at its core it is not a love for government but the people who comprised the nation you fucking dimwit.

Not an argument

No, the USA was founded when they usurped the English in a taliban style insurgency

Dress it up how you like though DeShawn

I don't really. I just find """"patriots"""" and """"nationalists"""" to typically be complete fucking retards and nobody has any respect for them. Generally they're trying to fill the void from lack of personal accomplishment with something. Nothing wrong with loving your country and thinking your culture is the best.

>Posted from the imaginary borders arbitrarily consisting of your house

This. Patriotism and nationalism is a tool to get the cuck orientated retards of society to give their lives to the elite

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houses are not countries FYI

>love for your fellow human beings

...except those not in your nation?

nationalism isn't a love for the people, it's a love for an imaginary system

anarchism is a people oriented system

nationalism is letting your government fuck your mom and your wife and your daughter and gently caressing their balls while they thrust

But your ownership of property is as illusory as the existence of a nation. They are both simply ideas

>B-but this border isn't the same!

Open up your home to the community user. It's just arbitrary after all

Because they're literal retards who think the world would be better with open borders and a one world government.

literally not the same

>it's a love for an imaginary system
Try crossing the border into China without authorization and tell me how imaginary it is. Just because it exists as a concept of humans doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does exist because it is enforced by humans.

When you talk like you are, you make yourself sound like a "dude we're just all one people the human race. Love and peace"

Literally get rid of the arbitrary borders around "your" home

Because they have nothing to be proud of

not an argument

But it is. The imaginary borders around your property that give you exclusive control of it are the same thing as the imaginary borders around a nation that gives its inhabitants exclusive control of it

Because liberals have literally been brainwashed by Jews. They don't even realize that they're repearing ideas that were created by Jews to serve Jewish interests.

"Classical liberals" like Thomas Jefferson, Bastiat, Mill, Locke would be considered hard-right Nazis today. They've totally subverted the "liberal" label to push their crypto-communist agenda, just like they did with "conservatism" by turning it into "more tax cuts and more wars for Israel".

Liberals care more about this nebulous idea of "tolerance" and "diversity" than they do about stopping crime, social cohesion, safety, a sense of belonging, not feeling like a foreigner in your own major cities, high-trust communities, preserving their people and values, and the properity of their society.

>N-not an argument!

Literally the same logic can be applied to both situations in an entirely realistic sense. You just can't accept that you're wrong, probably because you're in High School.

yeah but i wouldn't have "insert address here" pride
you probably make fun of niggers for repping the hood/block
your just doing it on a much larger much more retarded scale

>...except those not in your nation?
Uh yeah, that's why there's that "fellow" in there. Not every human being is your ally.

>nationalism isn't a love for the people, it's a love for an imaginary system
If you asked any nationalist "do you love your government" they'd probably say no, because nationalism isn't "love for government" but the people who comprise your country and would logically have the most in common with you.

>anarchism is a people oriented system
A dead people oriented system?

Like the idea of equality?

That is retarded. Nationalism comes from the word Nation, meaning blood, born of kind, of stock. (it's why multiracial nationalism is fucking retarded)

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"Look up nation at Dictionary.com
c. 1300, from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born,"

A State that serves a nations interest, is basically an organized tribe. That's basically fucking it. Not all the world is mixed like the left would have you belive, and those areas that are, are quite shite. coughmiddleeastcough

Now, you may think ;'why should i work torgether or for a group maaaaaaan, i'm a single unit maaaaaaan' Ok lets pretend that you are. Heres the thing, the only group that has a chance of looking out for your interests, is your own, the one you are trained to shit on and weaken in university campus.

Do you honestly think that other groups don't have vested interests? Do you not think that Arabs don't look out for Arab interests? Do you even know that niggers didn't come out and vote for Hilary, but did for Obama? Do you even know why?

You are basically shitting on your own side, weakening it, and will eventually get nothing in return. No, the niggers and the other swarthy fucks will not hold hands with you, they ain't going to be your brother.

the french revolutionaries were hard core libtards
rights for negroes, women, and jews, my friend

>nation = government
How's 9th grade?

>family
You believe we all share a common ancestor?

You don't take any pride in your property? Don't you do any work or put any effort into it? Do you not tend to your garden? I bet you live like a slob in your own garbage

Obviously it's enforced by humans, you autist. That doesn't make it any less retarded.

Nor does it make the people who celebrate it any less retarded.

Exactly. Allegiance to imaginary concepts is ridiculous. Like basing whether you like somebody on not based on arbitrary parts of their appearance.

The only valid reason to dislike patriotism is that it can be used by (((certain interests))) to manipulate citizens to fight for the wrong things. For examples, patriotism was used to get Americans involved in WW2 or the Iraq War, which should've never happened.

Because they're told to.
Really fucking simple. Americans were brainwashed by the KGB to brainwash other Americans.

only because i cant sell it if i dont take care of it

>implying abstract = imaginary

In America, they don't like the values and morals that the country was founded on. And America was founded deeply and almost entirely on principles that are antithesis of what liberals want.

>Nor does it make the people who celebrate it any less retarded.
Okay now you are talking in terms that can be actually discussed in a non-semantic way. Why is it retarded?

Also just admit that you were wrong for using the word imaginary. It'll make you look less like a retard later.

>imaginary concepts
>imaginary
>concepts
You are an idiot. Concepts by definition can't be imaginary. English is as imaginary as borders are since English is a concept as well by your logic. Now please explain your position with waving your hands since English is imaginary.

>Obviously it's enforced by humans, you autist. That doesn't make it any less retarded.

It's enforced by every species. In-group preferences, distrust and separation from outgroups were a mechanism that naturally evolved for self-preservation among every species. And it's still every bit as necessary today (see the refugee crisis in Europe as an example).

You are literally going against nature , biology and basic pattern recognition so you can justify some made up ideal of "equality".

>You are literally going against nature , biology and basic pattern recognition so you can justify some made up ideal of "equality".
Borders are imaginary unless it's his basement :^)

So I guess you don't like math either huh

>You believe we all share a common ancestor?

No but some are more connected to each other than others

Got nothing to do with interbreeding, we have all the diversity within the white race we need. Whites have done alright with what we did. If it gets flooded with shit, shit it will be.

Patriotic people are so easy to manipulate:

-Go fight for your country (so I can stay in power)
-Buy this shit it was made here (even though it's shitty quality and expensive)
-Support this sports team (they're all assholes)

I'm no liberal but I'm not going to go out of my way to benefit any collective of people I don't personally know be it national, ethnic, regional or anything else.

It's like when our school tried to make us care about inter-school competitions and had "school spirit" days. I don't give a fuck about the swim team and never will.

in what sense is the nation an 'imaginary object'?

Just because something is conceptually abstract or dependent on social relations doesn't make it not real.

You are the problem my friend.

You should have cared about the school swim team because competition is healthy. When it's "us vs them" you accomplish far more than "im special and unique, I dont need no team" people ever will.

I was like you once, but now I have come to see that not supporting "my guys" even in a friendly matter is unhelpful overall.

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They don't.

I. E. liberals. The conservatives (those who hold to the old ways) were the British, the liberals saw a better way (freedom of speech, association, religion) and founded a nation. Now go be butthurt that all of values you hold dear we're once liberal ideas that true patriots found for against the old ways

You're retarded, it's still imaginary. Show me the exact atoms where Chinese air becomes Mongolian air.

It's retarded because it's imaginary and people are proud of their imaginary thing. Its also fucking identity politics, no better than tumblr's polybinary amygdalasexuals.

I'm not justifying anything, senpai, stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm just telling you how stupid patriotism and nationalism is.

Yes, its enforced. By animals. And the mentally incapable, who are basically animals.

Nationalism and patriotism is idpol used by the government to justify them cucking you your entire life. That's a fact.

They hate strength

Jews

I guess imaginary numbers are better than the idea of states since at least they can't cuck you like the government and the ruling class does.

>You're retarded, it's still imaginary.
Is English imaginary? Show me the exact atoms where vibrations in the air become the English language. Your argument is based around concepts being imaginary and thus retarded. I'm saying that concepts can't be imaginary because if you can perceive it, it exists at least a social abstraction. Not only that, this concept has been realistically implemented in the modern day system. Is there a single anarchist society in the modern world? From that empirical standpoint anarchism is far more "imaginary" than nations. Thus, by your own idiot logic, it would be more retarded.

It's not even a social abstraction. I have no more social connection with a guy in Hawaii or Puerto Rico than I do with a guy in Canada or Mexico. It's imaginary, based off of imaginary lines in the sand and the ocean, decided by a group of people who run the army and the police.

The government can build a fence or a border crossing station between the US and Mexico, but that doesn't make the border, or the imaginary """"nation"""" it encloses, any less arbitrary and fake.

>It's imaginary, based off of imaginary lines in the sand and the ocean, decided by a group of people who run the army and the police.
No it isn't really imaginary. What would happen if you illegally crossed the border into China, or North Korea, or Saudi Arabia? You would get at best arrested and at worst shot.

Also it is a social abstraction or concept or however you want to phrase it. By any definition it is an abstraction.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction#In_social_theory

So it is neither arbitrary since crossing the boarder can have real world consequences and it isn't fake because it is a concept that has been implemented.

Name a single anarchist state in the modern era. Otherwise the anarchism you were defending is more imaginary than the concept of nation-states.

>You are the problem my friend.
I'm not your friend, we've never met. That's what I'm trying to tell you, I don't care about people I've never met, you have the same relevance as any of the billions of fukwits on the other side of the planet. I'm not patriotic because I'm a pragmatist not an idealist.

>You should have cared about the school swim team
I have more important shit to worry about than how fast someone else moves through water

> because competition is healthy
Sure but only if you actively participate. Sitting on the couch watching others compete is a waste of time.

>When it's "us vs them" you accomplish far more than "im special and unique, I dont need no team" people ever will.
Individual competition is the only real form of competition. So many stormfags on /pol try to group themselves with "muh white heritage" because they have never accomplished anything themselves and want to be associated with success.

Because a nation is macro-familial and liberals hate family more than anything else.

Really makes you think

>I'm a pragmatist not an idealist.

Nationalism is more pragmatic than idealistic.

>anarchist state

Kek. Don't worry, I'm not insecure enough to argue semantics like you've been doing.

All I'll say is that, yes, the Chinese might shoot me for swimming over their imaginary line, just like a child might get angry and hit me if I "slap" their imaginary friend. And yes, they might set up real fences and border controls to defend their imaginary thing, just like a little girl might set up real chairs and tables to have a tea party with her imaginary friend.

Taking real world action because of an imaginary thing doesn't make the imaginary thing real.

And sure, anarchism is imaginary.

>All I'll say is that, yes, the Chinese might shoot me for swimming over their imaginary line
If by crossing the 'imaginary line' you end up dying, it's not very imaginary.

>So many stormfags on /pol try to group themselves with "muh white heritage" because they have never accomplished anything themselves and want to be associated with success.

Actually if anything it's a defensive position. The mainstream narrative pushed by (((liberals))) is that race isn't important (because evolution stops at the neck), the white race is the cancer of history, hasn't done anything good, and if they did it's not because of their race or because they were good, but just because they were lucky, or they exploited someone else, or they oppressed someone. We should let whites die out and it wouldn't matter. The "stormfag" position in this case is just acknowledging reality and going against that narrative.

The idea that you can just let anyone in, ignoring shared cultural values and heritage, that you shouldn't care about your people which has had a long history of evolution for thousands of years, and basic self-preservation is delusional and a product of 20th century post-modernism.

So basically, you're arguing that believing in imaginary things(that are not imaginary) makes you dumb even though you admitted that their are real implications to ignoring those, including death or imprisonment.

I think you might be retarded.

>It's retarded because it's imaginary
>And sure, anarchism is imaginary.
Okay. Good to know that you think anarchism is retarded. So if you don't believe in states because those are retarded and you don't believe in anarchism because by your own logic that is also retarded, what do you believe in?

So why are nation-states retarded? You haven't constructed a single reason other than "they're imaginary" so I was left with nothing to dispute other than semantics.

Great image

The line doesn't kill you, you retard, the people who are imagining it do.

Like if you made fun of a kid's imaginary friend and they started crying.

Imaginary.

You've got to be kidding.

Go back and read all of the posts in this thread, you fucking aspie.

Nationalism and patriotism are about being proud of your imaginary thing, and the government uses that to manipulate you. They are as autistic as being proud of your imaginary waifu, and then having the anime industry use that to manipulate you into spending more of your tendie bux on plastic figurines.

You literally copied the first half of the statement without the second half.

Being proud of an imaginary thing is autistic. I'm not proud of anarchism. It's just the least cucked way of thinking.

Unlike nationalism and patriotism. Nationalists and patriots are super fucking cucked, very proud bootlickers.

>liberals hate anything beautiful, traditional, strong, capable or noteworthy
sort of. they definitely hate anything they perceive as 'strong'. that's because they identify as weak themselves, thus defend those who are weak - or that they just perceive to be weaker than them. possibly as a throw back to collectivist groups of humans. you don't want to be the weakest member of the group do you?

it boils down to that they perceive blacks, minorities, women, fags, etc as inherently weak, and since they themselves identify as being weak, the liberal will protect them and at the same time attack institutions of the majority that they perceive to be strong, good, and just.

tldr - liberals are literally cancer

holy shit I forget how delusional the stormfront shills can get here in their safe space

there's literally so much wrong with this post that if you took out all the wrong stuff the post would just be the link and the quote from

>You literally copied the first half of the statement without the second half.
And you haven't made a single constructive argument the entire thread other than appealing to vague notions of things being either retarded, imaginary, or cucked.

>Being proud of an imaginary thing is autistic. I'm not proud of anarchism. It's just the least cucked way of thinking.
Nation-states exist because they are a concept people recognize and because those concepts have consequences.

>Unlike nationalism and patriotism. Nationalists and patriots are super fucking cucked, very proud bootlickers.
They aren't cucked because they are usually a group who recognize that their are in groups and out groups. In order to protect their wives, family, children and property they mutually agree to each others' defense in exchange for resources. Therefore when Jamal and his gang come roving around looking for dem white womenz they get shot dead instead of you having to raise your wife's son.

Anarchism is also completely idealistic and impossible to implement because some people are smarter and better than others and will naturally consolidate that power.

Hitler /thread

Because they are wrong

>Nationalism is more pragmatic than idealistic.
Who let this retard out of his cage? Globalism is the way of the future, countries that trade become wealthy. Nationalism is for deluded sad fucks who think they can live without the raw materials that are produced overseas (oil, cocoa, coffee, rubber, the list is endless).

>wants more spics and muslim refugees to fuck our nation
>patriotic

Choose one.

>Nationalism and patriotism are about being proud of your imaginary thing

Nations and cultures are formed by their people.

People are formed by their biology and genetics, which isn't imaginary at all, it's the opposite in fact. Concepts like anarchy and equality are the imaginary concepts you have to come up with to try to invalidate the simple concept of territories, biodiversity, and in-group preferences, which every single living species adheres to.

If you think the idea of having nations and borders is imaginary and unnecessary, would you be fine with not having a lock on your door? After all your house and your property is just an imaginary concept, and you don't have anything more in common with your family, room-mate or girlfriend than you do with the neighbor down the street

>he thinks regulated and limited trade between countries = globalism

>And you haven't made a single constructive argument the entire thread other than appealing to vague notions of things being either retarded, imaginary, or cucked.

Come on dude, this is not hard to follow. Let me break it down.

1) Nationalism and patriotism have to do with pride for one's """country""".

2) A """"""country"""""" a thing that is not tangible or real in any meaningful sense, except as a thought in the mind. (Hence, it is an imaginary entity.)

3) Governments may build borders or fences to protect the imaginary entity, or might react negatively to the imaginary entity being """threatened""", but just like children reacting to actions taken against their imaginary friends, this does not make the entity real.

4) Being proud of an imaginary entity is stupid. Like a child being proud of an imaginary friend, or a neckbeard being proud of having a waifu, or a degenerate being proud of a """"""tulpa"""""".

5) When a real entity, like a government, exploits someone's pride in an imaginary entity at that someone's expense, they are not only retarded, but being cucked by the real entity.

Thus, nationalism and patriotism are retarded and cucked.

>Therefore when Jamal and his gang come roving around looking for dem white womenz they get shot dead instead of you having to raise your wife's son.

Oh great, you sacrificed one thug in a car for an enormous system of thugs who will steal your money every day for the rest of your life and maybe even send you to die at war to expand their imaginary lines.

You won, friendo. Good work.

Public school teachers and university professors tell them to.

You mean socialist clusterfuck that can only last one generation...

>1) Nationalism and patriotism have to do with pride for one's """country""".
Correct
>2) A """"""country"""""" a thing that is not tangible or real in any meaningful sense, except as a thought in the mind. (Hence, it is an imaginary entity.)
Yes it is. How can you say that something isn't real when it has real consequences? You can observe the effects of nations.
>3) Governments may build borders or fences to protect the imaginary entity, or might react negatively to the imaginary entity being """threatened""", but just like children reacting to actions taken against their imaginary friends, this does not make the entity real.
Comparing the nation to an imaginary friend is a bad analogy because a nation is a group of people, is observable in a cultural sense, and also can be altered.
>4) Being proud of an imaginary entity is stupid. Like a child being proud of an imaginary friend, or a neckbeard being proud of having a waifu, or a degenerate being proud of a """"""tulpa"""""".
No it isn't because when you are proud of your nation there are objective benefits to the nation. Such as being able to have a mutually recognized arbiter for trade and enforcer of contracts. It also permits a meaningful way for competition of different systems of thought without constant worry for being killed.
>5) When a real entity, like a government, exploits someone's pride in an imaginary entity at that someone's expense, they are not only retarded, but being cucked by the real entity.
But there are real benefits to nations. If there weren't the world would be anarchist.
>Oh great, you sacrificed one thug in a car for an enormous system of thugs who will steal your money every day for the rest of your life and maybe even send you to die at war to expand their imaginary lines.
So basically in exchange for money I get to choose my representatives, have a generally peaceful life without worrying about being killed, and not have my wife raped and killed. Sound good.