USA vs. The World

Let's say we get attacked by everyone at the same time from all sides.

Hard mode: no nukes

Who wins?

Vietnam

Got eem

God dammit

>no nukes

U.S wins hands down

we have more aircraft carriers, and for that matter more military ship tonnage in the ocean than the rest of the world combined. Not even considering how far ahead in terms of technology we are.

They couldn't get enough people close to us to beat us. The rest of the world has hardly any force projection

this burger knows how it is.

It's so strange how people don't understand this fact.

Our best defenses are the Atlantic and the Pacific. It would be battle of Britain II.

The country with the best technology and the ability to produce the most of amount of war materials, so the United States. Here's why:

>The only non-NATO military technology anywhere close to ours is soviet
>Soviet technology, even in the hayday of the Cold War, was inferior to ours. Their ships broke down, their weapons didn't have the same range and power as ours, they lacked coordination and professionalism
>A good example is refueling. Soviet warships could not refuel while steaming, they would have to slow down to around 5 knots to refuel from a tanker, and most of the time they would fuck it up. US warships not only could refuel under full steam, but sailors were trained to do it in their sleep
>In Aleppo, the ruskies lacked the ability to strike targets precisely, so they had to do what they do best: destroy entire city blocks to get one target.

I don't want to get into GDP and industrial capability, but if there's anything to be learned from history, it's that the United States has the ability to manufacture ungodly amounts of shit in a short amount of time. With modern equipment, the amount of time a nation would have to repurpose its industries would also be shortened dramatically.

>hurr durr china has a billion soljers

If a chinese soldier is fortunate enough to have received any training or weapons from this century, he and his entire company will be destroyed at once after their three fighter planes are destroyed and the US establishes air superiority. Chinese tactics haven't changed since Korea, either, so we can expect more zerg rushes and slaughters.

I'd expect NATO allies to give us the most amount of trouble, but the majority of Europe has a pitifully small military, and their industrial capability has diminished to nothing over recent years.
To put it in perspective: The US Army sent 75,000 humvees to Iraq in 2003. The rest of our Euro allies combined sent 2,400.

The US would completely fuck the rest of the world up.

Does that include Canada and Mexico? I think the US would still win due to air and sea superiority but the land battle, especially down in the southwest will be brutal if Canada and Mexico are allied against the US with the rest of the world.

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By literally everybody else? You would lose. Your Gdp is only a quarter of the world's or something. Your military is insanely impressive but if you combine Russia, France, GB, China, and the fact that both your neighbours are now your enemies, you couldn't hold out forever.

Not even mentioning how outnumbered you are in terms of personnel.

It would probably be close though, which is a testament to how insane your military power is. Those aircraft carriers are like mini-nations

dude everyone would just bumrush you at the same time from all sides, you would be overwhelmed

>you couldn't hold out forever.
Do you don't think the US navy could control the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans against everyone else? The only available avenue for transport is the air (yeah, no) or the Arctic ocean which is full of its own issues.

how do the other countries get to america though? A single fleet is bigger than any other nations and we have 7 of them active. We have both the worlds first and second largest airforces on top of that.
how do they reach mainland united states before we demolish the rest of the worlds naval capabilities besides a few subs

>bumrush a body of water while you have the biggest navy
Brazilian Intellectuals at it again

China or USA at least my opinion. China would probably be more than happy to throw wave after wave of Chinese to try and kill the USA.

you severely underestimate the US Navy

Pretty much this. Germany couldn't stop the red tide because of the sheer number of the Soviets.

Win by the world but it would last perhaps two decades. The US would most likely try t go offensive to postpone the enemy attacks and damage them but inevitably we would have to fall back to the Pacific+Atlantic. While we are defending in the oceans with navy+airforce China+Russia+Canada could march troops into our northern border while Central+South America wold pressure us from the southern border, all our troops would have to be stretched very thin to keep out the massive amounts of invaders (high pop). Meanwhile when the enemy is slowly pushing back our navy since they are constantly spewing out more ships from factories in China+India They would eventually reach the west coast first probably and then the east but our troops are already spread into the northern and southern borders resulting in a much weakened defense on the coast manpower wise. The troops on the borders would most likely be redirected to the coast due to their value, the northern attackers although very numerous and better equipped would have a harder time advancing due to the fact they had to go through Alaska, Canada, and now the northern US to get anywhere valuable so their advance would be much slower than the southern attack which could ravage much of Texas and South California which are vital money wise. Once the enemy slowly takes our coast so begins a phase of a lot of guerilla fighting in the US wilds. The US has a lot of land much of which are hard to traverse This phase of the war could take from 5-15 years. Eventually America would surrender after a lot of punishing but not until we had given a good fight. I imagine no matter how many troops occupied us we would hold a very rebellious sentiment. Also putting in consideration the countries size and how spread thin the population is I could see many towns and small cities being seperated from occupation. So yes the USA would lose but it would be a long fight.

The rest of the world would just come through Mexico and then Texas would fuck it up for the rest of the US by stalling the deployment of federal forces because of muh state's rights.

But Germany had land borders with multiple enemies, the US could comfortably control the Atlantic and Pacific.

How will they get 20 million Soviets here? They couldn't. We would sink their ships and if they go through the artic they'd freeze.

US is fucked whoever gets to gets Canadian Soil. It's a game of resources after that.

>Canadian army has a few thousand
>American army has millions
We would just blitz them and take all their resources. America always wins.

no germany stopped using the fucking blitzkrieg that got them that far and prepared for a long war with low supplies and not enough winter gear.

we would also be able to easilyconquer south america with its vast amounts of resources. It would end badly for everyone else desu

We'd still win. In about two months. That's how long it would take to destroy every non American piece of hardware in the world

I'll be honest but I think we would need Canada to be allied with us and protect our northern border to stand any chance.

how the fuck do most countries only have one boat

like, just build some more lmao

Should we consider a gun every blade of grass or is this scenario in an alternative cucked timeline with no 2A? Because that is at least, about one million militiamen that have better training than most armies and god knows how many regular gun crazies.

We also have absolute air superiority. The United States Air Force is the largest air force in the world. The second largest is the United States Navy.

They could pull a suicide though. Empty resources before the enemy gets to it. US got firepower but consideration on who produces fastest and recovers quickly will be decisive. Nazi's wouldn't have been beaten if not for the US having incredible production speed during the war.

unless it's through immigration of course

all of the countries wealthy enough to build them don't need to because they are your allies. You are the world police and you do it for free, your taxes pay for my defense. Thanks bud.

*behind every blade of grass

>US is one of the newest nations in the world
>is literally the strongest nation of all time
What does that say about how cucked other nations are?

if no nukes, could we still use ICBM/MRBMs ?

if so, why wouldnt we just use all long range ordnance including stealth bombers (reminder that we're the only country with advanced stealth tech) to annihilate every other country's industrial and homefront capabilities while garrisoning the north/south borders with 80% of our army (including nat'l guard and citizens militias) while blockading canada and mexico as part of our atlantic/pacific vanguards

also just start shooting mass amounts of cruise

missiles at mexican border towns so anyone trying to cross from south america would be a sitting duck

oops

>Annex Canada in 12 hours
>Annex Mexico in 3 days
Bring it on chinks

What if the opposing forces landed on the entirety of North and South-America and then move towards the USA?

Changing reality to better reach a preferred conclusion?

Even so, US air superiority would destroy any infrastructure so everyone wouldn't have rails, bridges, or roads to get to reach US soil WHILE being constantly shot at by jets, drones, and likely citizen snipers.

That'd be a smart move, but still isn't entirely feasable. Infrastructure in South America is trash, so moving enough military equipment north is difficult, it'd take far too long and the US would easily be able to fortify before they reach positions to initiate combat. Canada is a different story. A massive border and good infrastructure makes it harder to defend against, so I could certainly see attacks coming down from the north being a concern.

>Crush Canada within a day
>Crush Mexico within a week (Mainly because of Cartels)
>Everyone else wouldnt be able to do shit because of two oceans and our unbelievably massive navy and airforce

Why would the Jews finance a war against the USA?
They already own it.

It's called Vietnam. You don't think 300 million Americans with ARs could fight a crazy war of attrition, especially in the mountains?

Also, I think the US might act to blockade millions of Chinese troops from reaching Canada or South America just because of the number of boats involved. I'd expect there would be some justification like "protecting Americans in Alaska and Canada from an unquestionable Chinese invasion."

If you got rid of our military entirely, our police force would comprise the worlds 5th largest military.
Combine that with the number of guns in the country and fanatic patriotism.
Assuming anybody ever managed to even get into a land war they'd be staring down a hybrid switzerland/vietnam battle scenario.
We have beyond enough shale oil reserves (not to mention the fuckhuge oil fields just found in west texas) and farmland to be totally self-sufficient in a wartime environment

Really the only thing we'd be missing out on is canada's uranium supply, but that's not a key factor.

If you remove nukes from the equation and civil war isn't a factor there's basically 0 chance of the world winning against america on the defense.

>newest nation

We're literally the oldest single government in human history.

Mother of God. Texas wins at everything as a bunker state.

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Probably the world.

Especially cause of the no nukes limitations.

Not enough bombs to kill 7 billion people.

Sooner or later they'll find a way onto the Americas. The US Navy is large but it can't patrol the entire coast like of North and South America. There are so many entry points.

Eventually the US will lose after inflicting many millions of deaths.

You guys couldn't even beat rice farmers. What makes you think you'll be able to defeat Canadians and Mexicans on two different fronts.

The US has never won a war of occupation since WWII.

>White people going extinct
>Military vets killing themselves
>Dwindling power

You are rome faggot. Go fuck a white woman and make a military family and then uncuck the military from progressives.

>assumes you have to kill everyone else, even non-combatants and their children, ESPECIALLY during a defensive war

UK is definitely older, there was a disruption last during the English civil war about 100 years before the American revolution.

>inb4 UK and Great Britain were different
They may have a different name but it is the same parliament governing pretty much the same home territory and the change was instituted via a peaceful union, not a violent revolution

You realise that south america would have to literally set the whole country on fire and then blow up any mountain or underground vein of ore right?
You do realise it is not possible to totally stop the amount of resources gained, and seeing as how we produce enough food to feed ourselves i doubt it will be a problem.

>Attacked

America would be the one going on the offensive.
America would collapse fairly quickly if it was cut off from foreign trade. Which if the whole world teamed up against America, it would be.

Disagree. The rest of the world will wear you down.

Your carriers will get submarined. German subs managed to do so multible times during NATO training.

Your air auperiority also will get worn down. You will have to fight over hostile airspace. Every pilot you lose, you lose for good. Air defences of Europe and Russia and China are not comparable to Afghanistan or Irak.

Without allies you will not be able to project much force anyway. No refueling, no safe harbors, no bases and hospitals close by. Not to mention the US will be blinded. Your intelligence agencies will lose most sources of information. Their whole network will suddenly have to operate in hostile land. They will retain those few agents they smuggled in without their allies knowledge.

The manufacturing, manpower, resources will all be major advantages for your enemies.

In the first days of conflict tens of thousands of US soldiers alongside their equipment stationed in bases all over the world will fall into enemy hands.

Your enemies will be able to land troops in Canada, South America, Mexiko and use those as staging posts, like you used the UK in WW2.

tl:dr The US can't do shit with its planes and boats without allies.

China.

The Japanese wait it out, and come to re-take the land from China (as it is under war fatigue).

Glorious Nippon Empire emerges, and for a thousand years, Earth prospers under enlightened Nippon Rule.

Anime becomes real.

Also Giant Robots.

Obviously eventually lose, but with a 15:1 KDR

Vietnam.

>German subs managed to do so multible times during NATO training.
Got a citation for that? I only know of one such time and it was as much a suprise to the German sub crew as it was for the US.

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>In the first days of conflict tens of thousands of US soldiers alongside their equipment stationed in bases all over the world will fall into enemy hands.

This, if overnight all greens go red we lose a lot by virtue of having our dick everywhere.

>border countries that combined are less than half of US population
wowww amazing

Kek

We could put up a hell of a fight. I don't think the entire world could even work in unison on such a scale. There's bound to be back stabbing, American sympathizers sabotaging shit. Then there's at least a few million civilian shooters, ex military, police, and every other state organization that deals with weapons.

We would do considerable amounts of damage just with all the icbms we have and long range bombers.

If the world could keep pace then we would fall eventually but the fucking kd ratio would embarrassing for the world.

I'd say it depends largely on how much preparation each side had.
If you have European NATO countries, Russia, China and numerous others all supposedly on one side, cooperation would be an issue. Most of the equipment is incompatible, there's an obvious language barrier on the field, and a lack of real command chain would likely result in a power struggle. I'd say that "alliance" would likely fall apart before the first shot was fired.
If the above were resolved I'd say we stand a fairly decent chance. Casualties would still be fairly huge.

I don't see how the world could take America. With our navy and Air Force I don't see how other countries could even get their military personnel and equipment to US soil before we destroy it. Plus we have military bases all over the US and the infrastructure to move troops and equipment to where we need it. We would just turtle and just start to take out key cities of other countries with stealth bombers.

I imagine we would destroy Canada and Mexico before other countries could move their troops and equipment to those countries in big enough numbers to build up a force there.

I'd fuck them all right in their nigger holes

America would take canada and mexico in 5 seconds then convence them to join is we would have more on our side in a week war would benover in days

You underestimate the vast fucking expanses of space without infrastructure in Canada. You'd be spreading yourselves thin fo no good reason. There's maybe three or four things worth occupying (Niagara Falls dam, Bear Lake, Hongcouver and PEI/NFLD for costal superiority)

One word: guerilla. I'm on your side btw but face it: when faced with human shields, guerilla fighters in environment that you don't know well things become surprisingly balanced.

Stupid question. It's like asking, 'who wold win, 5 average 13 year olds versus Mike Tyson in his prime with no arms". It's just fucking retarded question because it's an asinine scenario that is impossible.

Id bet on tyson

Mike Tyson, easily.

he'd try and kick them fall and then on his arse, the thirteen year olds would then beat the shit out of him

Fuck off to

>complete airpower dominance via the two largest air forces on the planet
>complete sea power dominance with a Navy that outnumbers the rest of the navies on the planet combined and outguns all but one or maybe two first-world navies (hint: not Russia or China, meaning equal firepower engagements would be few and far between).

Literally all we need. You can't get to the continental United States without going through the world's most powerful Navy and the world's first and second largest Air Forces.

Couple this with the fact that nobody else on the planet has near the force projection that the United States does.. and the literal worst possible outcome for the US is a stalemate.

They all attack us at once? We win, insofar as none of them makes it to the US.
Army and Marine Corps. annihilate the entire Mexican and Canadian threat, Navy and Air Force (but mostly Navy) ensure absolutely nobody can even come close to our shores. We have 10 fully functional and extremely capable aircraft carriers. Nobody else even comes close.

Oh and lets add to the fact that our drones can be used for air defense if we have to.

You want to try to Zerg a thousand troop transports, a couple carrier groups and a sizeable air attack force across the Atlantic?

Enjoy having 300 Predator drones come in at 20 feet above sea level and torpedo anything they can (transports, carriers, cruisers, supply ships, etc).

Every casualty they inflict is literally free kills because not a single American is killed in this engagement.

In fact, the Preds could just go after the Carriers and inflict mass casualties + devastate whatever air cover you tried to bring along before just going full Jap and just ramming into the hulls of whatever didn't get sunk just for lulz.

Can you imagine the headache occupying Mexiko would cause for the US?

>occupy
>Mexican military gets absolutely obliterated
>Cartels see an opening
>literal civil war as whatever's left of the Mexican government has to turn to fighting the cartels for direct control of the nation

It'd be like Spain circa WW2. Except with more drugs.

Just 10 boats? You'd think it would be a lot more. Those boats are so small compared to the vast amounts of ocean

If anyone invented orbital lasers or some shit, those boats would be useless garbage