What's wrong with communism?

What's wrong with communism?

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what's right with it?

Everything

we are not ants

It hasn't been tried yet so I don't know

I sure haven't seen this thread before.

It was tried and crippled Slavs

people need food to live

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whats wrong with killing 200million people for no reason and causing billions to live in squalor

you get that private property and capitalism as seen in usa in 1800s and hong kong in 1900s fixes all problems right? while being most moral system?

I don't know, what is wrong with a system that discourages hard work and encourages people to be lazy deadbeats? Seems like a pretty damn good economic model to me!

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Every time it has a chance of succeeding the capitalists gather to destroy it. Just look at world war 2.

It doesn't exist except in a transitionary state to destabilize, because it's literally a meme weapon.

It's not in peoples In peoples interests to work for a common good. Someone at the top always hijacks it, useful idiots always can't think for themselves.

The meme stays alive like a virus.

Former commie myself, changed after deciding to finally research it. The fact that we have protected Europe with military is the only reason they have not collapsed.

Absolutely nothing, Sup Forums is just classcucked.

Every time it fails by design. (That is what it was designed for, to cause failure.)

I see someone misses Tito.

>What's wrong with communism?
Communism is almost always a lip-service front for totalitarianism.
And then, it happens in the kind of shitholes that welcome a dictator.
Stay tuned America!

play Jewish games, win degenerate prizes

>God damn capitalists
T.Commie

>God damn Jews
T.Nazi

>God damn goyim
T.Jew

>God damn whitey
T.Nignog

Go on keep blaming your failures on your ever so convenient scapegoat.

>mush true socialism has never been tried
Ask Venezuela how are they doing.

You don't think a capitalist puppet killing millions of people in Eastern Europe seriously affected the communists chance of winning?

Not having a god = denouncing other countries and their gods

or at least from America's viewpoint it must be something like that.

Venezuela is revisionist, still have privately owned means of production and corrupt it's a corupt social democracy, also they're mostly fucked because of their relations with US not because of their """socialist""" party.

Not easy to perform well when your economy is based on oil while its price is crashing and your president is fucked up with cocaine though. Bad faith to put it all on socialism.

desu tito wasn't perfecet but he did some good things
too bad debt killed us eventually
international monetary fond = international motherfuckers

Good in theory, very bad in reality. Like all political ideologies.

I don't see why the black figure in the capitalism couldn't own a weapon.
If the red guy with a gun is supposed to represent the government the how is that capitalism rather than corporatism?

>how is that capitalism rather than corporatism?
maybe because we are currently living in corporatism and not "true capitalism"? :))))
TIL true capitalism has never been tried

But they got really close to it in America in the 50's AKA the most prosperous era of any nation ever.
After that it's been a slow decline into more government and less freedom.

Capitalists require the state to function.

even if communism was about killing people (it is not) since when do nazis here have trouble with killing people?

Capitalism only requires that the government does not interfere in anyway with the free market.
If the free market exists then it will out-compete the government which instantly makes it irrelevant.

only reason why america was succesful after 50s and not europe is because europe was devestated by ww2 while america was largey untouched (besides pearl harbor)
this is true

Leftie pol is the most pathetic shills.

I am glad they are doubling down and cultural Marxism is still being pushed in colleges and media. We will remain counter culture for 8 years while they protest, riot and arm themselves and fight police.

When leftie Sup Forums is sitting in FEMA camps wondering why they didn't seize the means of production, or lined up against the wall. I won't cry for them.

>this is true
It's not. A government cannot exist side-by-side with the free market. One or the other must go.

>government does not interfere in anyway with the free market.
you do know that markets don't go on trees and in nature, right? they're a human creation
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>I am glad they are doubling down and cultural Marxism is still being pushed in colleges and media.
ah yes, the cultural marxists are out there to take my video games! ::DDDD

first its 60 million now it's 200 million

jesus christ that's more than the current population of russia.

this is just as bad as muh 6 million, if not worse
ww2 is so overblown

nah
its because socialism fails

What's your point, commie?

and capitalism
you shit head

free market would let everyone ignore lefties
:)
Id love to just ignore them

it makes people lazy, thus poor

you are stupid
capitalism require government to enforce property and contracts
if you can keep governmetn very small
you get very big success
usa 1800s
hong kong 1900s
sinapore
chile went from last to no1 in south america FAST by pinochet;s genius in picking the chicago boys
now they are undoing it
morons
vensuela tons oil but socialism keeps poor

After couple generation new elite forms and its the same shit all over again.

Same happened with China and princelings.

youtube yaron brook
many death unreported by mao and stalin
khmer rouge
south america

capitalism always leads to corporatism which you all hate here apparently and it will fall on it's own contradiction
you should listen to what richard wolff has to say, he's a very good marxian economic
my point was that "free market" ain't free ))
do you realize that if you had central planning you would have to employ everyone? unemployment shouldn't exist if all who want to work could get work

What isn't?

How many people died under capitalism tho? Why isn't that ever talked about? Yes, people died and kulaks probably deserved it.

>kulaks deserved it
And this is why we don't have a single successful non-government protected big business.

Unless there is no demand so you either overproduce or have to cut down quotas in myriad of ways.
>m-muh Communism
Tito wasnt a true commie for starters. I was in China and trust me its a shithole.

>capitalism require government to enforce property and contracts
What? No it doesn't. Any and all property can and will be enforced by the armed owners or private security.
Any company that ignores contracts will go out of business very fast, thus making breaking contracts VERY unprofitable.

In capitalism, competition can spring up at any moment and if you're not careful you might lose all your business to the competitors.

no cronyism is a feature of the state
monopoly is always caused by government
lower gov regulation and spending and no problem
dont blame capitalism for failure of socialism
capitalism is endless boom
2008 and great depression caused by regulation
see john a allison and yaron brook

1. its childlike. its the whole "remember and share now children" mentality but taken into adulthood.

2. it only works if everyone agrees to it, if people dissent then you have to oppress, jail or kill them.

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no dunce
you cant have competing gangs
capitalism require strogn small legit government for courts and defense
seriously youtube ayron brook
rememebr cronyism is a feature of statism

>Unless there is no demand so you either overproduce
lol this happens already under capitalism right now, we throw and waste so many shit
>Tito wasnt a true commie for starters.
yes, I know. I'm just saying he did some good things and some bad things; depending on who you ask.
> I was in China and trust me its a shithole.
yeah, capitalism with asian values
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lel this is your mind on pure ideology i guess

>do you realize that if you had central planning you would have to employ everyone?
do you realize this means everyone would have to pay more than is necessary for products and services? you can have full employment in capitalism too - customers just need to be willing to pay the surcharge (compare "fair trade"). and in capitalism this is every customer's individual decision instead of being forced onto unwilling subjects by a dictatorial comittee.

also, existential angst is good, it spurs people into action, instead of lazily hanging about.

I see no reason why private courts and security companies couldn't exist.
A broken contract will do more to fuck over the one that breaks it.
Vandalizing property is extremely risky because there's no regulation of firearms.

youtube yaron brook
the governor of hong kogn would not let profesor keep stats
because he knew cronyism from stism would do no good
hong kong had 15% flat tax and no government help
it is the only equal to usa
europe is far far poorer than usa
germany would be the 40th richest state in usa
history si clear
socialism fails
capitalism is incredibly frutiful
we need to ditch the christian morality
use ayn rand morality
do all you can for yoursefl
trade freeely
and most importantly dont makes rules for others or think in terms of tribe

Forgive them, they are idiots

Nazism = communism without cosmopolitism

ok dunce
what happens when your private security disagees with mine?

Capitalism creates surplus in all markets and products where profitable. Kinda the reason why toilet paper is cheap and always available, but in the USSR, was quick to run out of stock.

A state cannot gauge demand correctly.

Also, Communism has never existed. The people owning all goods collectively is a theory but when ever applied, leads to a state run command economy that's always gets stuck in the "Dictatorship of the Prol" phase because no one can actually think of a way to pull Communism off.

fpbp

>ad-hominems
On what issue? Has a contract been broken on who's behalf?

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bureaucracy much.

well he is stupid becasue I answered the same question 3 times

socliasm without govt. bureaucracy can exist and it did exist in places like catalonia

Dont try and redirect the argument.
The government is the settler of disputes.
Otherwise you get gang warfare.
youtube yaron brook

alright, I can do this too
>muh gubbiments!

Fpbp
Fucking commies

bureaucracy exist in all countries

This picture falls apart when I do the following in a Socialist society:

Grow my own lemons

Sell it on the corner

Begin paying my best friend to take shifts picking lemons and squeezing them.

Whoops.

>but muh government will come in and stop you
oh, so something with more authority than me is going to force me to do something? Then it's exactly the same as Capitalism, because no actual power is in my hands, rather, it's lent and dictated to me by the State, and I am merely a labourer for someone above me who benefits from my labour.

This. A communist system will always fail in practice because it is human nature to want more than others, and especially wanting more than someone you think is inferior to you, allowing you to show off your superiority. (conspicuous consumerism)

Basically is the mentality of
>"Share or else...
and the ones delivering the "or else" have the power over the people, which usually leads to dictatorship.

The least centralized way of command is parliament.

Try reading or watching more of leftist lit, it might change your minds on some things. I used to be very pro-capitalism until I stopped making excuse for it.

The jews. Communism would be a viable form of government without jewish tricks.

>mfw some of the most prominent pro-capitalist thinkers were also jews
I'm not sure who's jewing who anymore.

and because central planning fails
when people are free scarcity disappears

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Is based on the absense of greed, fear and envy

actually try youtubeing yaron brook
leftist shit is shit
history clearly shows socialism fails
capitalism usa hong kong chile does best
incredibly frutiful

1. people are not equal, some are more skilled who work and produce greater value then others. Hierarchy is the state of our world, and classes is fundamental to society.

2. private property is essential to maintain peaceful cooperation as you establish social boundaries that protects the individual. abolishing private property decentivizes those who are better at producing by forcing everything distributed to others, no matter how useful they are. Competition is ingrained in our psyche, as its an evolutionary advantage to acquire more resources and reproductive access then the others in your tribe.

3. it fails to acknowledge the inherent value in the cultural and genetic identity of ethnic states, as it seeks to dissolve all nation states and erase existing cultures (under the claim that it is "bourgeoisie"). It's "we all just share!" rhetoric is better articulated in tribalism, not global communism or socialism.

4. central planning/non-market economies results in inefficiency and misallocation of resources; no centralize group can accurately plan every facet of the economy and meet every person's needs at each moment (especially since human desires are unlimited). You need a more decentralization system that allows the average person to take care of their needs on a micro level. Communist states result in weaker nations that get BTFO out of every other nation when they use a superior system like capitalism. Even the USSR fell apart under its own weight.

if jews are poor, they take communism if jews are rich they take capitalism.

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Your free market haikus are entertaining.

>What's wrong with communism?
It's oligarchical socialism that doesn't understand that people inherently want to advance in some way.

It's what's wrong with anarchy or pure capitalism - it's an ideology without enough nuance to adapt to all situations.

If communism was achived, oligarchs would hang.
What we live in right now is an oligarchy. Your are being propaganized by 6 corporations who own all of your media. There also several private individuals who own your entire federal goverment and military industrial complex which is used for imperialism.

>marx is not white
All the more to not follow any of his NEET drivel desu

What's wrong with communism? The same thing that's wrong with capitalism; it's a jewish system too. Other than that they really aren't much different except in people's imaginations. Either the state can corruptly run corporations and overtax the average citizens and make up excuses way OR corrupt kike corporations can run the government and raise taxes on the average fellow out there but at the same time PRETEND to want lower taxes for the average fellows they just ripped off. I am old and it used to not be like this but nowadays people put a abnormal amount of their emotions into politics (they like only of course). And somewhere there is a board room of kikes laughing at those who are truly delusional enough to hype up either system. The main problem is that people believe everything on TV or the internet while also calling out their opponents when they do the same. In the US, even the founders were against the very idea of political parties (but that's not a hip and trendy Reality TV POV so very few people will be willing to talk about that nowadays).

>You don't think a capitalist puppet killing millions of people in Eastern Europe seriously affected the communists chance of winning?
Tell me again how the National SOCIALISTS were capitalist puppets.
And don't leave out the part where the Russians weren't on the winning side of ww2.

Nothing really wrong with the idea its self. But when you put people into the mix it turns toxic due to the fact that people aren't equal and will tend to be selfish and unmotivated when there is no incentive to work.

Let's face it once you have communism and/or capitalism, and political parties, it can only be ANTI-Freedom from then on. Reading news over the past multiple decades have taught me that. Most jews are marxists which is exactly why the neo-cuckservative trotskyites (communisms RIGHT WING) defend Israel and give the same ever victimhood status to jews, in the same way that liberals do with black people.

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educate yourself you dolt

It either defaults to violent totalitarianism or it falls apart.
The reason is because people are inherently different and communism relies on everyone being the same, having the same ideals, and the same goals, which will never happen.

The only way something like communism (!)could(!) work is in a post-scarcity society where human labor is not needed anymore.

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eduation for anyone democrat
democrats are wrong about everything

Fucking beat me to it