This thread is for discussion of Communism, Socialism, True anarchism

This thread is for discussion of Communism, Socialism, True anarchism.

FAQ
>But what about Venezuela

Not socialism. The workers/state doesn't own the M.O.P its privately owned

>But what about human nature?

Some of us would say it isn't real. Some say humans are fundamentally social animals.

>How will people be motivated without profit motive?

It depends what type of socialism your talking about. With marxism Leninism the workers are basically forced. With titoism the workers are motivated by profit due to the existence of the market

>Are you liberals

No. Liberals are capitalists and also support identity politics which is a way to divide people into subsections so they can be exploited easier.

>How is profit theft if it comes from voluntary translations? How are businesses exploitative?

Businesses are exploitative in multiple ways. Imagine you make a chair and the chair gets sold for 200$. Yet you only got paid 15. Your boss stole the surplus value that you produced with your labor. If you think the LTV is spooky then you could consider that businesses operate like dictatorships and under socialism they would act like a democracy with every worker owning a portion of the business.

Why are commies such losers?

>But what about Venezuela
>Not socialism.

Look at the definition of socialism. Venezuela doesn't fit it.

>thinking actuall slavery is an acceptable alternative to wage labor
When will commies learn?

Its the same in capitalism. Work or starve. I'm for market socialism so people can be motivated by profit.

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A huge portion of the economy is private businesses.

"Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"

It is not socialism.

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Hang yourself scum.

This doesn't make sense. Its not socialism. I proved it to you.

Socialist revolution is our only path a real future for humanity.

you're gay and stupid,kill yourself

Take your shit and go back to your shit hole. Go eat your xmas meal before your mother comes and beat the hell out of you lad.

>being uneducated is cool!

Brazil still isn't a socialist society.

>Fascism sucks

Yeah

>Blaming people based off race is bad

Yeah, yeah you're getting it

>The problem is....CLASS

Cmon guys
be adults

All commies will die.
Saged

out of all of these, what is considered "means of production", and if something doesn't fit, what is it considered

-coal deposits in the ground
-river
-lake
-forest
-animals
-land in general
-coal mines
-factories
-timber mills
-banks
-schools

>market socialism
That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one

>you hold different opinions, therefore you are uneducated

Don't ever change commies.

POST 'EM

>Some of us would say it isn't real. Some say humans are fundamentally social animals.

But your system relies on all of us making that assumption and agreeing with you. Do you put dissenters in re-education camps or do you just shoot anyone who disagrees?

>TFW communism actually made Hungary worse

I don't give a shit if your opinion is different. I have reasonable conversations with people whose beliefs are different all the time. Being an unreasonable fanatic, unwilling to analyze anything beyond the most simplistic level, and defending your propaganda-soaked ideology to the death like an autist whose lollipop was just taken away is what makes reactionaries so obviously uneducated.

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Thanks for the help, but I think there's sufficient evidence in this thread to prove my point.

Give the workers the deed and then have them manage the business democratically. Otherwise nothing changes.

>God why does no one on Sup Forums like Communism? I need it to not be a loser at life!

You dummies come here every day to get rekt and receive a wake up call.

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But this is the problem. Leftists think it's class..... But but its not..... poor people are fucking terrible they're just as bad*in a different way) as rich people. But they're both fucking stupid and waste money on stupid shit. In reality if we want to truly advance we need a fascist system (And I say this as someone with Marxist sympathies) because fascism puts the need of a nation above all. And really that is what it boils down to because a nation is simultaneously big and small enough to get shit done.

No. Nothing happens to dissenters unless they shoot someone or otherwise commit a crime. Then they get fined or go to prison. They can all participate in direct democracy to change the government in anyway they want. Socialism is built into the constitution as "the write to be free from exploitation and otherwise everything can be changed.

wew

No, the problem is force.

It's always the problem, someone using force against a peaceful person.

Civic nationalism is a lot better then communism or ethnic nationalism because its the least intrusive in my opinion.

Getting shit done means nothing if you dont have an ethical society

Cuba is bretty good compared to other Latin american islands. The fact that they with stood the embargo shows that there fairly resilient.

No, no, seriously. We all get it. Right-wing reactionary skinheads couldn't read at a high-school level if they wanted to. Angry white kids who don't have the same economic privilege as their daddies don't have time to learn anything when they're so busy crying on the internet. We really don't need you to provide us with any further proof.

>TFW cuckmunism sucks ass

>USSR
>Tricolour Russia flag

trashed

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>when you are such a loser in life you have to resort to an ideology which can not be put into work in modern society, so you go to leftypol, pretty much a hugbox, to make """"original"""" communist memes and to keep the bubble from not bursting, until someone suggets you should all raid Sup Forums, so you come here and everything you get are threads, full of shit and your only inside mod fired

Your threads are dying.

Many of your fellow cumrags have already abandoned the raid attempt because they can't handle the constant shitposting. Soon, your effort will wither and die, like it always has, and you'll go back to your echochambers - the only place communism is considered viable.

Says the first world faggot that has never lived there.

FUCK OFF COMMIES, DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND KILL YOUSELF

>True anarchism
One can relax after building up perfect order in a country.

I'm keeping this up. I was posting communism threads before the raid even started.

Very true! I guess what I really meant is civic nationalism. Marxism has devolved into to completely criticizing and deconstructing all elements of society to the point that there is nothing left

>defending your propaganda-soaked ideology to the death
So most communists and leftists? Jesus man at least be consistent when trying to make a point.

And again
>what makes reactionareis so obviously uneducated
>you don't support my ideas, so you are uneducated

Seize the memes of production, comrade!

Look at there medical care and infant mortality rating. No one seems to be dying of famine either.

The saddest thing about modern day commies is the fact that they have never lived under communist rule, but still advocate for it.

I'm not even a skinhead. My wife is Korean so most stormtroopers here see me as a race traitor. But for all their faults they aren't half the losers you wannabe commies are.

>Real Communism has never been tried before
>But we'll still use the insignia of all these failed states that can't feed their peasants beets!
>Its still a totally a good idea though, we should try it again!

But communism and anarchism are nothing alike.

>n-n-n-no u

I'm perfectly willing to have a reasonable discussion about socialism. You, on the other hand, will start screaming "muh human nature" like little babies the second we start even analyzing the concept of socialism. THAT is what uneducated kulak house niggers do.

Seriously could you stop being such a fucking fag.

You're losing me a bit user.

We both agree Marxism sucks.

I mentioned not using force, which is the non aggression principal which is a very AnCap thing

I think civic nationalism, which is putting the blame on culture is better but I still think you should almost always try to reduce the size of government because government is always force

Do you agree with that?

>two neckbeards sucking each-other off

These threads in a nutshell.

sage'd

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First step: abolish the concepts of privately-owned capital, wage labor, and profit-driven market exchange. Everything else is an academic discussion between comrades.

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>Imagine you make a chair and the chair gets sold for 200$. Yet you only got paid 15.

Why a chair costs 200, if one worker gets paid 15?

Chair out of wood-you have to ship wood.

>Shipping Cost

You have to process Wood (cut)

>another Cost

You have to have Blueprint for Chair

>another Cost

You have to build Chair

>another Cost

Business gets small win, invests in Company to grow and make more Chairs.

How capitalism works.

>Communist logic: If I dont get full Money for Chair, thats because ive been exploited
>Communist Screech: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

There only two of these fucks left

Just go back to leftypol on double chan ffs.

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guess stalin didnt starve people to death

Oh, sorry - is this your safe space?

>real gommunism has never been tried, comrades!!1!1!!

Pathetic propaganda. Medical care for the people is trash compared to what th elite and tourists get. Infant mortality can be easily manipulated, like most commie governments do with their bullshit statistics.


FUCK OFF DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND HANG YOURSELF COMMIE SCUM, HOW MANY SOCIAL EXPERIMENTS DO YOU HAVE TO FAIL TO BE CONVINCED, MURDERERS PIECES OF SHIT

>Socialism is POST-industrial and POST-capitalist

Uh, whoops.

left

Children cannot consent and shouldnt be handled differently for crimes

also the community would hopefully find out and never support this person or interact with them

acording på karl marx, the factorys should not be ownd by the state, but by the workers. So communism does not follow marx political idea at all.

If this was a safe space, your pathetic threads would have been pruned and you banned in the matter of seconds.

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You are proving my point again. You claim to be willing to have a rational discussion but then start calling people reactionaries and house niggers when they don't a agree with you. What's even funnier is that you think the right is soaked in propaganda, but cant see it coming from the left at all. You're legitmatley retarded if you can't see that.

I haven't even brought up "human nature," yet you start spazing out about it. This is why nobody takes modern leftists seriously.

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No it's a shitposting space and you two fuckheads keep bringing people to these threads collecting outrageous amounts of yous when they should be posting in my blacked and anti-American threads

>Capitalism
wot

Star Trek isn't real. Humans aren't capable of building a utopia, you naive faggot. We thrive on conflict.

Is that suppose to be about ancaps?

The non aggression principle is about never using force against a peaceful person

I think thats about something else fag

Almost forgot - daily reminder!

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>>leftypol

I don't want your filth on our natsoc board on Christmas's eve

>104304632
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communim implyes the state
doesnt exist, good luck having a society organised without a governament

Star Trek utopia isn't even realistic. Most people would become suicidal and lack motivation in such environment, complete equality is dystopian and more people need to realize this.

Sorry, friend-o, but the free market has spoken.

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What are you, some kind of kulak or something?

>have to make a safe space for your failed ideology even when you raid

Hahaha

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>almost unanimous disapproval of your product
>HUURR WE AER APROED BY FREE MARKET
/leftypol/ is only possible because of capitalism

>This thread is for discussion of Communism, Socialism, True anarchism.

How about show me where any of these have been successful, kek

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>Hating commies makes you a nazi
>if you have is ur a big bad antisemite


fuck commies are so gay
even your fucking memes are boring

Don't you find it strange that all commies ITT come from capitalistic countries and all anti-communists come from ex-commie one?

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They'll just call all those failed nations as "State Capitalism"

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Give your land back to the British crown, degenerate American revolutionary. Have you no respect for private property? The monarchy owns these colonies. Those ships you sailed to the New World on wouldn't have been possible without the British empire, you know.