This thread is for discussion of Communism, Socialism, True anarchism.
FAQ >But what about Venezuela
Not socialism. The workers/state doesn't own the M.O.P its privately owned
>But what about human nature?
Some of us would say it isn't real. Some say humans are fundamentally social animals.
>How will people be motivated without profit motive?
It depends what type of socialism your talking about. With marxism Leninism the workers are basically forced. With titoism the workers are motivated by profit due to the existence of the market
>Are you liberals
No. Liberals are capitalists and also support identity politics which is a way to divide people into subsections so they can be exploited easier.
>How is profit theft if it comes from voluntary translations? How are businesses exploitative?
Businesses are exploitative in multiple ways. Imagine you make a chair and the chair gets sold for 200$. Yet you only got paid 15. Your boss stole the surplus value that you produced with your labor. If you think the LTV is spooky then you could consider that businesses operate like dictatorships and under socialism they would act like a democracy with every worker owning a portion of the business.
Henry Johnson
Why are commies such losers?
Jaxon Morales
>But what about Venezuela >Not socialism.
Parker Smith
Look at the definition of socialism. Venezuela doesn't fit it.
Juan Bell
>thinking actuall slavery is an acceptable alternative to wage labor When will commies learn?
Logan Lewis
Its the same in capitalism. Work or starve. I'm for market socialism so people can be motivated by profit.
Aaron Hughes
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Matthew Torres
A huge portion of the economy is private businesses.
"Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole"
It is not socialism.
Landon Sanchez
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Tyler Hernandez
Hang yourself scum.
Ian Edwards
This doesn't make sense. Its not socialism. I proved it to you.
Nicholas Jones
Socialist revolution is our only path a real future for humanity.
Chase Phillips
you're gay and stupid,kill yourself
Brayden Taylor
Take your shit and go back to your shit hole. Go eat your xmas meal before your mother comes and beat the hell out of you lad.
Jaxson Hill
>being uneducated is cool!
Connor Thomas
Brazil still isn't a socialist society.
Hunter Lewis
>Fascism sucks
Yeah
>Blaming people based off race is bad
Yeah, yeah you're getting it
>The problem is....CLASS
Cmon guys be adults
Eli Perez
All commies will die. Saged
Isaac Lee
out of all of these, what is considered "means of production", and if something doesn't fit, what is it considered
-coal deposits in the ground -river -lake -forest -animals -land in general -coal mines -factories -timber mills -banks -schools
Blake Turner
>market socialism That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one
Xavier Hill
>you hold different opinions, therefore you are uneducated
Don't ever change commies.
Gabriel Adams
POST 'EM
Cooper Johnson
>Some of us would say it isn't real. Some say humans are fundamentally social animals.
But your system relies on all of us making that assumption and agreeing with you. Do you put dissenters in re-education camps or do you just shoot anyone who disagrees?
Jayden Adams
>TFW communism actually made Hungary worse
Jordan Garcia
I don't give a shit if your opinion is different. I have reasonable conversations with people whose beliefs are different all the time. Being an unreasonable fanatic, unwilling to analyze anything beyond the most simplistic level, and defending your propaganda-soaked ideology to the death like an autist whose lollipop was just taken away is what makes reactionaries so obviously uneducated.
Tyler Robinson
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Kayden Thomas
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Nolan Morris
Thanks for the help, but I think there's sufficient evidence in this thread to prove my point.
Jacob Rivera
Give the workers the deed and then have them manage the business democratically. Otherwise nothing changes.
Noah Reed
>God why does no one on Sup Forums like Communism? I need it to not be a loser at life!
You dummies come here every day to get rekt and receive a wake up call.
But this is the problem. Leftists think it's class..... But but its not..... poor people are fucking terrible they're just as bad*in a different way) as rich people. But they're both fucking stupid and waste money on stupid shit. In reality if we want to truly advance we need a fascist system (And I say this as someone with Marxist sympathies) because fascism puts the need of a nation above all. And really that is what it boils down to because a nation is simultaneously big and small enough to get shit done.
Bentley Davis
No. Nothing happens to dissenters unless they shoot someone or otherwise commit a crime. Then they get fined or go to prison. They can all participate in direct democracy to change the government in anyway they want. Socialism is built into the constitution as "the write to be free from exploitation and otherwise everything can be changed.
Sebastian Phillips
wew
Ethan Harris
No, the problem is force.
It's always the problem, someone using force against a peaceful person.
Civic nationalism is a lot better then communism or ethnic nationalism because its the least intrusive in my opinion.
Getting shit done means nothing if you dont have an ethical society
Matthew Kelly
Cuba is bretty good compared to other Latin american islands. The fact that they with stood the embargo shows that there fairly resilient.
Landon Watson
No, no, seriously. We all get it. Right-wing reactionary skinheads couldn't read at a high-school level if they wanted to. Angry white kids who don't have the same economic privilege as their daddies don't have time to learn anything when they're so busy crying on the internet. We really don't need you to provide us with any further proof.
Levi Richardson
>TFW cuckmunism sucks ass
Carter Davis
>USSR >Tricolour Russia flag
trashed
Luke Phillips
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Nathan Howard
>when you are such a loser in life you have to resort to an ideology which can not be put into work in modern society, so you go to leftypol, pretty much a hugbox, to make """"original"""" communist memes and to keep the bubble from not bursting, until someone suggets you should all raid Sup Forums, so you come here and everything you get are threads, full of shit and your only inside mod fired
Aiden Gonzalez
Your threads are dying.
Many of your fellow cumrags have already abandoned the raid attempt because they can't handle the constant shitposting. Soon, your effort will wither and die, like it always has, and you'll go back to your echochambers - the only place communism is considered viable.
Benjamin Morales
Says the first world faggot that has never lived there.
FUCK OFF COMMIES, DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND KILL YOUSELF
Austin Carter
>True anarchism One can relax after building up perfect order in a country.
Logan James
I'm keeping this up. I was posting communism threads before the raid even started.
Adam Myers
Very true! I guess what I really meant is civic nationalism. Marxism has devolved into to completely criticizing and deconstructing all elements of society to the point that there is nothing left
Grayson Jenkins
>defending your propaganda-soaked ideology to the death So most communists and leftists? Jesus man at least be consistent when trying to make a point.
And again >what makes reactionareis so obviously uneducated >you don't support my ideas, so you are uneducated
Michael Brown
Seize the memes of production, comrade!
Bentley Wood
Look at there medical care and infant mortality rating. No one seems to be dying of famine either.
Nathan Perry
The saddest thing about modern day commies is the fact that they have never lived under communist rule, but still advocate for it.
Xavier Wood
I'm not even a skinhead. My wife is Korean so most stormtroopers here see me as a race traitor. But for all their faults they aren't half the losers you wannabe commies are.
>Real Communism has never been tried before >But we'll still use the insignia of all these failed states that can't feed their peasants beets! >Its still a totally a good idea though, we should try it again!
William Miller
But communism and anarchism are nothing alike.
Evan Brooks
>n-n-n-no u
I'm perfectly willing to have a reasonable discussion about socialism. You, on the other hand, will start screaming "muh human nature" like little babies the second we start even analyzing the concept of socialism. THAT is what uneducated kulak house niggers do.
Gavin Torres
Seriously could you stop being such a fucking fag.
Elijah Thompson
You're losing me a bit user.
We both agree Marxism sucks.
I mentioned not using force, which is the non aggression principal which is a very AnCap thing
I think civic nationalism, which is putting the blame on culture is better but I still think you should almost always try to reduce the size of government because government is always force
Do you agree with that?
Noah Gomez
>two neckbeards sucking each-other off
These threads in a nutshell.
sage'd
Jack Cox
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Josiah Collins
First step: abolish the concepts of privately-owned capital, wage labor, and profit-driven market exchange. Everything else is an academic discussion between comrades.
Owen Howard
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Jayden Hall
>Imagine you make a chair and the chair gets sold for 200$. Yet you only got paid 15.
Why a chair costs 200, if one worker gets paid 15?
Chair out of wood-you have to ship wood.
>Shipping Cost
You have to process Wood (cut)
>another Cost
You have to have Blueprint for Chair
>another Cost
You have to build Chair
>another Cost
Business gets small win, invests in Company to grow and make more Chairs.
How capitalism works.
>Communist logic: If I dont get full Money for Chair, thats because ive been exploited >Communist Screech: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Brayden Martinez
There only two of these fucks left
Just go back to leftypol on double chan ffs.
Levi Hall
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Gabriel Phillips
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Jeremiah Ramirez
guess stalin didnt starve people to death
Ryan Lee
Oh, sorry - is this your safe space?
Jason Hall
>real gommunism has never been tried, comrades!!1!1!!
Jackson Rivera
Pathetic propaganda. Medical care for the people is trash compared to what th elite and tourists get. Infant mortality can be easily manipulated, like most commie governments do with their bullshit statistics.
FUCK OFF DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND HANG YOURSELF COMMIE SCUM, HOW MANY SOCIAL EXPERIMENTS DO YOU HAVE TO FAIL TO BE CONVINCED, MURDERERS PIECES OF SHIT
Anthony Baker
>Socialism is POST-industrial and POST-capitalist
Uh, whoops.
Elijah Baker
left
Children cannot consent and shouldnt be handled differently for crimes
also the community would hopefully find out and never support this person or interact with them
Alexander Barnes
acording på karl marx, the factorys should not be ownd by the state, but by the workers. So communism does not follow marx political idea at all.
Ryan Turner
If this was a safe space, your pathetic threads would have been pruned and you banned in the matter of seconds.
Ryder Barnes
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Grayson Fisher
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Jason Richardson
You are proving my point again. You claim to be willing to have a rational discussion but then start calling people reactionaries and house niggers when they don't a agree with you. What's even funnier is that you think the right is soaked in propaganda, but cant see it coming from the left at all. You're legitmatley retarded if you can't see that.
I haven't even brought up "human nature," yet you start spazing out about it. This is why nobody takes modern leftists seriously.
Xavier Gomez
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Michael Jackson
No it's a shitposting space and you two fuckheads keep bringing people to these threads collecting outrageous amounts of yous when they should be posting in my blacked and anti-American threads
Caleb Morgan
>Capitalism wot
Jacob Johnson
Star Trek isn't real. Humans aren't capable of building a utopia, you naive faggot. We thrive on conflict.
Elijah Cook
Is that suppose to be about ancaps?
The non aggression principle is about never using force against a peaceful person
I think thats about something else fag
Thomas Butler
Almost forgot - daily reminder!
Jose Rogers
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Gavin Thomas
>>leftypol
I don't want your filth on our natsoc board on Christmas's eve
Levi Long
>104304632 COMMIE KEKS AHAHAHAHAHAHAAH "COMRADE" FROM AMERITARD AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHH HOLY FUCK THE CRINGE PLEAS EENTERTAIN ME MORE E
Dylan Hughes
communim implyes the state doesnt exist, good luck having a society organised without a governament
Adrian Myers
Star Trek utopia isn't even realistic. Most people would become suicidal and lack motivation in such environment, complete equality is dystopian and more people need to realize this.
Jeremiah Long
Sorry, friend-o, but the free market has spoken.
Dylan White
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Blake Thompson
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Anthony James
What are you, some kind of kulak or something?
Hudson Morgan
>have to make a safe space for your failed ideology even when you raid
Hahaha
Adrian Price
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Easton Moore
>almost unanimous disapproval of your product >HUURR WE AER APROED BY FREE MARKET /leftypol/ is only possible because of capitalism
Ryder Butler
>This thread is for discussion of Communism, Socialism, True anarchism.
How about show me where any of these have been successful, kek
William Roberts
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Tyler Rodriguez
>Hating commies makes you a nazi >if you have is ur a big bad antisemite
fuck commies are so gay even your fucking memes are boring
Carson Parker
Don't you find it strange that all commies ITT come from capitalistic countries and all anti-communists come from ex-commie one?
James Jones
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Aaron Hill
They'll just call all those failed nations as "State Capitalism"
David Nelson
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Mason Cook
Give your land back to the British crown, degenerate American revolutionary. Have you no respect for private property? The monarchy owns these colonies. Those ships you sailed to the New World on wouldn't have been possible without the British empire, you know.