Electoral college is retarded, unfair and undemocratic

>electoral college is retarded, unfair and undemocratic
>every citizen in an industrialized country should be provided with free health care

I am wrong? (yeah burgers I am talking to you)

What the fuck is Cyprus?

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>democracy is good
>free

OP spot on.

fuck off newfag. stop posting and lurk more

The electoral college exists to ensure fair governance of the landmass, thus preventing cities from ruling as kings.

Countries will eventually provide health care, but the economy isn't there yet.

Are you also going to say they should have free immigration too, for that matter?

*curls up on your lap* t-tell me about communism, OP

Electoral college is the best shit . It s not fair that the future of the country is decided by city cucks

> electoral college is undemocratic
not an argument

>Undemocratic
>Bad
Democracy is a cancer and needs to be destroyed and pay for your own healthcare you poor fuck

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shouldnt you be more concerned with the ongoing issue of military invasion and continuing Turkish occupation (since 1974) of the northern third of the island, a situation described and deplored in multiple UN reports and resolutions

>free
aw, looks like someone doesn't understand where health care comes from! do you need me to explain it slowly and in small words?

you see, mommies and daddies don't get the money for your tendies and video games for nothing. They have to go to work. You know when they disappear all day? They're off doing things they don't want to do because that's how they get money!

Now, hospitals are full of doctors and nurses and other workers, and they're all mommies and daddies too! That means someone has to give them money too! And where do you think that money comes from?

No, not santa claus! boy aren't you cute! No, it comes from the sick people who have to go to the hospital!

So you see, if you make the government pay for healthcare, it just takes all that mommy and daddy money right from our pockets and it pays for the heath care for people who don't work at all! now that's not fair, is it?

maybe you'll understand when you're older.

I'm sad.

This.

just that.

what a fucking cuck you are, cyprus
you got your bank accounts seized to pay back for your overwhelming gibs, and you still believe in free meals???
kys yourself quick

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner

The electoral college is working as intended

Greek clay.

>Greek not realizing that true democracy leads to Tyranny of the majority over the minority.

Fucking read Plato pleb

>>electoral college is retarded, unfair and undemocratic
Less deomcratic =! Undemocratic. We are also a democratic republic, not a democracy
>>every citizen in an industrialized country should be provided with free health care
"free" healthcare. I want a small federal government, and power to the states. If Iowa wants to give their citizens free centralized healthcare, but Pennsylvania doesn't, then Iowa should be able to, while Pennsylvania shouldn't have to

Turkish clay being protected by beady eyed rats

>Were not a democracy
>nothing is free.

>The electoral college is working as intended

Not really
If it worked as intended the electors wouldn't have voted for Trump

it's actually a wonderful way of keeping slobbering lefty nigger shit gobblers from gaining control but please, let's discuss how you leaches don't mind sucking one million american dickbucks a year.

That's if you assume the intention of the electors is to tell the people that their vote doesn't matter because they personally disagree with them.

No, you're not wrong. Its just that your opinion is insignificant.

>implying populist democracy is a good thing in 2016
wew lawd

>>electoral college is retarded, unfair and undemocratic
>when my team loses

>>every citizen in an industrialized country should be provided with free health care
Nah.

Oh now you want democracy huh?
You already said to the majority of the voters that their votes don't matter, you don't seem to care about that

If you fuck up and vote someone retarded the electors are there to stop that retard from becoming president, that's why the founding father made the system like that

>If you fuck up and vote someone retarded the electors are there to stop that retard from becoming president, that's why the founding father made the system like that

>trump

fuck

We run elections in all 50 states, as well as DC. they all run on the simple majority. Each simple majority gives votes roughly equivalent to their population with restrictions preventing a particular state from becoming too powerful or too weak. The system we have isn't perfect, but it's not supposed to be. In other words

30>21


Also, by chance. Can you pull up the document that says the electors are a final defense against tyranny or demagoguery?

You invaded the country you bellend, it belongs to Greece.

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Sorry amerifats but america is doomed to fail from start. Think about it. It started as a multicultural racemixed country. Even though your founding fathers put good measures like right to bear arms (forgot which ammendment that was) to prevent the inevitable collapse, there's nothing that can be done

Tyrone, Paco and other various """americans""" you have don't share the same values with you. It's impossible for you to unite in times of hardship. Your country is practically falling apart over some retarded election. What do you think will happen when SHTF for real?

Sorry guise, it was fun while it lasted

Sure

"The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States. It will not be too strong to say, that there will be a constant probability of seeing the station filled by characters pre-eminent for ability and virtue. And this will be thought no inconsiderable recommendation of the Constitution, by those who are able to estimate the share which the executive in every government must necessarily have in its good or ill administration. Though we cannot acquiesce in the political heresy of the poet who says: "For forms of government let fools contest That which is best administered is best,'' yet we may safely pronounce, that the true test of a good government is its aptitude and tendency to produce a good administration."
-Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 68

Time to educate yourself burger

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>USSR X
>America O
O = still relevant today
X = dead and gone

>Being criticized by an island as small as our smallest State

Fuck yourself, non-country. I do agree with the second one but the first statement is just another 'Boo hoo, we didn't win' meme. Now fuck off, please.

And what that tells me is that Donald Trump was perfectly qualified. I assume you know there are only three requirements for the job.

>Be a natural citizen of the United States
>Lived in the United States for 14 years
>Be 35 years or older

It also turns out that 304 Electors thought that Donald Trump was worthy of the title "President of the United States of America", so it doesn't even matter

>electoral college is undemocratic

This is true, but we're a republic, not a democracy.

>every citizen should get free health care

Firstly, health care in any country is not "free". A mainstay in economics is "there is no such thing as a free lunch." What this means is that SOMEONE has to pay for it. An example of this would be Canadian citizens, paying for their "free" health care with higher taxes.

That aside, "every citizen should have" free health care" is just an opinion. Perhaps you should back that particular thought up with an argument? Really, saying "x is good/right/should happen" is basically you are just saying "I like x."

Try forking a coherent thought and then backing it up with something solid and logical. An example of that might be "Countries which provide single player health care have a higher gdp per capita than those that don't." I don't know that this particular argument is factually true - I doubt it is, in fact - but it is an example of a REASON why health care should be provided rather than simply a statement of opinion.

>It started as a multicultural racemixed country.
European racemixing. It was originally intended for Euromutts. Attempts at non-white integration are recent.

>And what that tells me is that Donald Trump was perfectly qualified.

You don't even understand the difference between requirements and qualifications.

I give up, you're too stupid even for a burger.

Yes, (((you))) are completely and utterly wrong

>Qualifications
There are NO qualifications though. At no point in our history did you HAVE to be qualified to be President.

The Federalist Papers are not the law. They're suggestions.

Those are the qualifications you nob. The presidency is meant to be attainable by any naturally born American regardless of social class.

>It was originally intended for Euromutts

They probably forgot to add that part in your constitution kek

You have to go back

They did. It was a different time. The founders weren't perfect. But they didn't say it had to be multiracial either.

When it was founded, the US was envisioned to operate more like the EU than a monolithic nation. Our civil war was just as much about states rights vs the rights of the federal government as it was about slavery. The electoral college makes perfect sense in that context.

Free health care opens the door for the government to dictate almost everything in the name of keeping us all safe and healthy. It's already starting with smoking and soft drink bans.

I really, really, want to live in a world where the central government never got as powerful as it is now.

muh freedoms

listen here boyo the only people we provide free health care to are niggers and illegal spics, capeche? You aren't insensitive to culture are you, faggot? You don't think a guy who has never paid taxes a day in his life and can't speak English doesn't deserve to have his third world diseases cured for free? You are a massive sack of shit.

Trump is the perfect example of it actually working. If Clinton got in, America would be doomed

So, the electoral college. Prepare for my shitty opinion.

The United States is just that, United States. It was founded in a way that the states would still be separate entities, but bound together to make them stronger with national authority.

In this national government, the states all appoint their own separate representatives to the federal government. However, for the executive branch, there is only one man to represent all of the states in the Union. Thus, the electoral college.

The electoral college is the method that the states cast their ballots for their preferred representative. The states (typically) come to their decision by polling their respective populations directly. However, even though the people are polled, the people do not make the decision. The whole method of polling to make a states decision is more or less just the state asking for advice.

The electoral college is fair, but not democratic. It gives the states representation based on their size, while stopping a specific state from controlling the entire electorate. However, the people do not actually vote for anything, as all of the representatives are state appointed, and the states cast ballots in the electoral process, not the people.

This.

>>every citizen in an industrialized country should be provided with free health care

It is a fucking terrible decision. Populations need to be culled and the weak should not be permitted to continue.

>fair governance of the Land-Mass
then why does Rhode Island have more electoral votes than Alaska or Montana?
>thus preventing cities ruling as kings
And instead giving rural areas more voting power? How is that justified?
>free immigration
no one brought this up or defended it.
Are you saying that minority groups should have more voting power for protection?
You mean making us into a stronger nation? Even countries with Universal healthcare systems that disallow fatties and smokers still have private options for them.

>omg free health care so bad ;O !!!
>I rather get sick and then go bankrupt

Jews have full control over your weak minds amerifats

Don't even for a second think you're red pilled

The only clay Turkish have is Mongolia you fucking roach

"Of the land mass" =! size of each state. it = entire union of states

>Rural areas more power
It's giving them power while not completely sapping the large states of theirs. States like Rhode Island, North Dakota, Alaska, etc wouldn't even bother to join the union if it was one person one vote, because their needs would be silenced. Similarly, New York wouldn't join the union if it was one state one vote. The system in place is a COMPROMISE between the two.

>Old Healthcare system
I paid $75 a month for a $1100 deductable and solid coverage

>Current Healthcare system
I pay $200 a month(Or I get fined by the government) for a $6000 deductible and abysmal coverage

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When will regards learn that American is not a Democracy. No matter how many times Bush and Obama say it doesn't make it true.

inb4 someone thinks those counties all voted blue

a republic is a form of democracy

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This...

Yes, we know. It's about time that people understand that there is more than one kind of democracy

democrats had a chance in 2012 to remove the electoral college but they refused.

enough republicans supported it since romney had just lost but nah lets keep the same "unfair" system that got obama elected.

OP is a retarded faggot.

This is literally the only correct answer.

We elect congress proportionally. We elect electoral college electors proportional. Originally we didn't elect our Senators, the state legislatures did.

The whole system is designed to be oriented towards the people of each State. Not the people as a whole.

The problem is that the party that wins the electoral college don't want to change the system that gave them power.

If Trump got the popular vote and Hillary won the electoral college the system would be praised by the democrats and the drumpfies would've been crying it's unfair

electoral college ensures all 50 states are represented and have a say you fucking retard. without the electoral college you will have dense urban populations ruling over the rest of the nation.
the rest of the nation wouldn't have a say and america is a collective of 50 states of which require influence in the direction of which the nation as a collective takes

Nice Ifunny watermark, faggot.

>repeating the talking points he heard from fox news

Check out this mindless drone everybody

Nice Thumbnail, friend.

Not an argument

No one actually gives a fuck if you're a newfag or an oldfag, because either way you're a fag.

The President was never an office intended to be elected by the people in the first place. The idea that presidential elections in the US are "undemocratic" is the whole point.

>>>/reddit/

If there was a state that had only one person living in should that persons votes worth 10 million times more than other people?

Your assessment is retarded on it' face, if you can't see it I can't help you, no one can

@104445033
The scenario you mentioned does not in fact, exit under any realistic or feasible standard

You're not even going to get an official reply for that effort

>electoral college prevents urban hives from hijacking america
>no one is entitled to anything so deal with it

Oh look, yet another electoral college thread. Democrats, and the world, need to get over it. It's not going to change. The Democrats do not have, and will not have for many generations, if ever, the numbers to amend the Constitution. Period. The end.

Why have constant threads about a complete dead end?

>every citizen in an industrialized country should be provided with free health care

Yes you're wrong. That's the entitled mentality that is turning all of humanity into useless fats, not just in America. And the electoral college protects our country from being ruled by worthless weasel cunts in the overpopulated cities.

So yes, you're wrong. Reevaluate your life and get on board with saving the human race.

Enjoy having half a island you fag. Also the electoral college is to prevent cities from having power.

>Electoral college is retarded, unfair and undemocratic
1) "retarded"
An adjective, not an argument.
2) "unfair"
The cities rely on the rural states, if the rural states doesn't have as much a voice as the cities they can by all means be slave labor. You can jack up the gas prices, maybe increase the tax on their products and they can live as 1445 peasants. And the cities could still win elections, this wouldn't lead to a very FAIR democracy, as they would be better off by seceding. Which is why the electoral college is a thing.
3) "undemocratic"
Abdullah, Ahmet and Mary has to vote on whether Mary should get raped. Abdullah votes yes, Ahmet votes yes but Mary votes no. Since the yes is in the majority, Mary gets raped. Not very fair, that's Democracy. It's impossible to make a fair and democratic system unless one side will get undermined.
4) "every citizen in an industrialized country should be provided with free health care"
Good luck convincing doctors to work for free, or to have people go through the lengthy education and waste their potential only to be a slave. Unless you mean to re-direct the resources from elsewhere, in which you will have a Socialised model which turned out shit for any country's health care. Just because you don't have to directly pay for it, doesn't mean it's efficient. The healthcare here is shit, and I'd much rather not pay as much taxes and then pay for my own healthcare.

>cyprus shills for clinton

amerifat reporting in

This has to be to the worst argument I've ever read on Sup Forums.

Fuck off CTR

Are you SERIOUSLY implying you won't ever need special coverage for OB/GYN visits and your other feminine needs, user?! What a shitlord!

>AS5bMe
You sure are, user.

wut

>Federlist Papers

>Implying these aren't just newspaper editorials written for the sole purpose of persuading states to ratify the Constitution

If its not the Constitution, Sage.

>the Constitution is just a piece of paper written by racist cishet old white men
>the Federalist Papers are god's truth given physical form and must be followed as gospel

verily it doth make thee ponder

cyprus is tree op lives in tree

Go back to Junior High, Joe