Regarding Pedophilia

Why does pedophilia exist and how did it come to be, Sup Forums? A curious thing I've noticed is that pedophilia seems to have always been practiced by some sizable minority in any society, not necessarily exclusive to western civilization. You'll find instances of it all across the world since civilization began and beyond, not exclusive to one particular region or another. You'll still find it today practiced in some fashion all over the globe with it being tolerated to acceptability or unacceptability more or less depending on the area. Even though it may or may not be an acceptance culture-wide in a region, it still seems to exist, and has existed forever. Why is this Sup Forums? Why is it that in every society, great or small, there too exists a minority that engages in the mindset and in some more extreme cases practices of pedophilia?

I'm curious about this and want to discuss.

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Fucking damnit. I try to get an actual discussion topic going and nobody fucking cares. Instead you all respond to fucking bait threads like clockwork.

Because young pussy is awesome. If you've never had it, you failed as a man

It doesn't matter why pedos exist. What matters is their plan.

I should have also noted in the OP that this isn't a modern epidemic as many seem to believe or wrongly think. The hysteria surrounding the topic certainly is a more modern invention, but not the topic at hand. Also when I say "pedophilia" here, I'm also going to include "hebephilia", those from 11-14 (generally).

get fucked. I really hope you fix yourself.

Biologically speaking the best time to impregnate a girl is when they start ovulating at the right young age. It was like this for thousands of years because it works. Then some white cucks said that was wrong. And that was how pedophilia started.

Well, there's always going to be some amount of everything because that's just how it is no matter circumstances. Pedophilia is a form of mental degeneracy. It stems heavily out of ones insecurities because when one crosses the threshold into this, insecurities they may feel about themselves either conscious or unconscious are irrelevant. It's also the ultimate form of control because children are defenseless and having complete control over what children represent (youth;innocence;etc) is what's really attractive.

I think a lot of it stems from that idea, but people actually become it through a slow progression of porn and some people are just sick fucks and want to do sick shit to kids because they are fucked up with desires for fucked up things, and they don't necessarily have a complex that makes them do what they do.

That's how I see it anyway.

Yeah, I get that, but what you describe is the modern definition of pedophilia, where any age under the age stated by law is called pedophilia, as opposed to the real definition, that being children before the onset of puberty, or ovulation in girls specifically, as you point out.

Has there been any case like this modern one where the law superseded the biological aspect to the cultural mindset to such an extent that we have this so-called hysteria today? It seems to be a modern invention that came with the advent of more widespread technology.

>It's also the ultimate form of control because children are defenseless and having complete control over what children represent (youth;innocence;etc) is what's really attractive

Ok, I suppose that's one way to look at it, but do you really suppose that much of it has to do with control and power alone? Certainly there can be other factors as well, right? What about the psychological aspect of it? A popular sentiment these days is that molesting children turns them into future pedophiles and that molested children almost invariably turn out to be pedophiles. This isn't necessarily true as you can find many cases where a child had a totally normal upbringing and no inappropriate sexual activity in their lives, yet still turn out to be pedophiles, but also the opposite where molested children don't grow up to be pedophiles at all.

It's a very multi-faceted issue with many different angles, yet it seems everything is just generalized. What changed from then and now in the normality of such behavior?

>Why does pedophilia exist
Sexy children

It's a complicated issue. There isn't one ultimate underlying reason for it. Lot's of sick individuals go into it from different angles.

I'm talking about the darker pedophilia, not an overdeveloped 14 year old. That's where grey areas definitely start to appear.

Also, it doesn't help that there is an elite who perpetrate the negativity. That's what I was talking about when I mentioned control. You can try to control things external from yourself (negativity;division), or just let things be (positivity;connection). There is an elite in this world who do everything to perpetuate the agenda of negativity, and the ultimate act of negativity is sexually violating a child.

>Has there been any case like this modern one where the law superseded the biological aspect to the cultural mindset to such an extent that we have this so-called hysteria today

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Discounting the elite for a minute (we know they've always been fucked up and done fucked up things), how might this apply to regular people? When you say the ultimate act of negativity is sexually violating a child, it is important to concretely define what you mean by "sexual violation", so as not to create confusion among meanings. What is your definition of sexual violation against a child? I feel it's important to establish a firm and common definition, as certainly there is a world of difference between truly raping a child in moments and with no remorse or consideration, and merely touching them inappropriately.

Both fall into the modern aspect. I mean pre-20th or pre-19th century.

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>(((Paedophilia)))

That's a weird way to spell woman's suffrage.

I read somewhere that some people that commit sex acts on children aren't always sexually attracted to them. It is simply a power play. More like just having full and total control over someone is enough to make someone happy. idk tho.

I met a criminal psychologist in a bar once and he said the unfortunate thing about studing peos is that a pedo isnt just going to willingly say on a consensus that he or she is in fact a pedo. The only ones we really have to study are the ones that are caught.

>I read somewhere that some people that commit sex acts on children aren't always sexually attracted to them. It is simply a power play.

I read that too. It was in the May 2016 issue of Ms. Magazine.

You bring up a very good point. The only modern psychological study information we have on pedophiles is from the ones that have been caught and are in prison or parole, and quite often these types are just typical retarded criminals with no greater reason of ulterior motive, just acting on near base instinct. This obviously will give us only an extremely skewed perspective or bias on pedophiles and the study of pedophilia which is then presented to the public as such, which inevitably creates misunderstandings and FUD, which is never good in any case or any subject.

Because we're smart monkeys. Still animals on the inside

It is also hard to separate pedos into groups. Like I understant (UNDERSTAND but dont accept) the attraction to teens (14-17) because they are ripe and ready for reproduction. The weird area is getting to the attraction to toddlers and babies. I don't get that one. They have no concept of reproduction, sex, or relationships but yet some people want to bang them.

In essence, humans are some weird, disgusting, awful, bright and amazing creatures and I don't see us getting any better soon. But maybe we will get past our primitive ways.

Do you know about all the studies that 2% of the population is gay and that this is because of a different brain structure or even in your genes?

I believe the percentage is quite higher and is actually a abnormal sexuality structure instead of a purely gay thing , that makes you susceptible to different sexual attractions.

I mean, I'm no lawyer but I'd say inappropriately touching is a sexual violation, but fucking a kid when they don't know what the hell is going on is most definitely a violation without contest.

Back to pedophilia amongst regular people, I know there was a study that found a large amount of pedophiles experienced brain trauma some time in their life so something physically wrong with their heads. Yes, pedophiles are often abused when they were young and get caught in this cycle unfortunately. There are those who have no interest in children per se but have desires for fucked up things so they partake in pedophilia. And also there are those whose extreme insecurities make them idolize children and rationalize why it's ok. There was an interview a while back where some bitcoin news site interviewed the owner of an onion pedophile board and he was saying how if anyone did what he fantasizes about to his own family members then he would put a bullet in them, and then he went on rationalizing why he partakes and why it's ok. So there are cases where the dissonance is strong.

Pedophilia is not a problem. Forget it. Pretend it never happens.

hmm that's not right.

>a abnormal sexuality structure instead of a purely gay thing

Do you have any literature on this? Very curious about it.

there's nothing morally won't with pedophilia. it's only in recent times that these made of concepts like age of consent have been created.
consensual sex between a pedo and a child happens. pedo doesn't mean rape. pedophilia either exists in all humans or it is a sexuality just like heterosexual or homosexual. age is a bad model for sexual maturity

>Why does pedophilia exist
Because little girls are hot and they're made for getting dicked.
It's good for girls to be married good and young.

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get outta here pedofag. There outta be a christian tur you normal camp somewhere, go enlist.

please get help

lol a violation defined by who? a majority opinion that chooses to demonize a group of people for no reason other than they falsely believe children to be important and sacred?

Ok, interesting perspective, but we seem to be deviating a bit aways from the OP, in understanding the Why of it and Why it has existed for as long as civilization existed.

Why did it exist then, and why does it exist now? What compelled people then and what compels people now?

pedos aren't men
you've no right to voice an opinion
you lack dignity

don't worry
you'll meet a real man soon enough
we'll soon be rid of you

>falsely believe children to be important and sacred?

They are

You just tell yourself they aren't because its easier to commit these atrocities if you tell yourself it isn't wrong

Pedos will be the first to die

I won't talk too much an the older teen issue because it's tougher like you said. As for those who are attracted to toddlers and babies, I don't think they're pedophiles in the traditional sense, but a more extreme version. They have a desire for fucked up things more than anything I think.

we'll never know why. we can try to understand it in scientific terms if we think that will delude us into thinking we've found truth, but good luck trying to translate being horny into symbolic logic

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Because there will always be certain people who do bad things regardless. That's kinda the beauty of it I guess, in a sick way. Everyone has potential for good and evil.

>The weird area is getting to the attraction to toddlers
Nah, girls start looking girly and sexy around 2/3yo.
Use this video for reference. She's good to go a little after 50 seconds
youtu.be/-Plk7TLNmsU

why are they sacred? because they're the malleable morons that can be easily manipulated to continue whatever viewpoints are considered important by the previous society? people are all dog shit but kids are even more disgusting because they are being so obviously used

oh my god. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE. I HOPE YOU GET V&. HONESTLY, IF YOU TRULY WANT IT, YOU CAN FIX YOURSELF. YOUR DESIRES ARE NOT INNATE. THEY ARE NOT.

I have heard there is a waiting list of officers to get on the child porn combat units. I guess they all want to rescue the children.

You are sick. I hope you can find peace some day.

>implying religion has anything against sexing little girls
>sex is bad
No, it isn't, you pussywhipped bitch.

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this post is bullshit

this

>implying

Loli is love, loli is life. I hope you get to experience the pure love and joy only a young girl can bring.

Merry Christmas. I hope Santa brought a more open mind :)

you're a sick fuck. children being used is not their fault.

they're either being used for ideological propagation or for sexual fulfillment. which do you think is a more deserving characteristic of being 'sacred'

I hope this user is the fucking feds monitering this pour sick soul

>it's a people without a college education telling you about "biology" thread

God Damnit guy's, I didn't want this thread to turn into the politics of pedophilia and shitflinging, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE BIOLOGICAL AND CULTURAL ASPECT OF IT IN REGARDS TO CIVILIZATIONS PAST.

Fuck off back to plebbit or wherever you came from.
Except its true.

Girls are sexy, they always have been.
And you want to get a girl as early as possible so you know you're the only who has fucked her.

Most likely people that got kiddy fiddled themselves and stopped maturing sexually

it's just a mental illness, there's nothing that's been identified as a cause. You're looking for something that's not there.

biological aspect = attraction and sexual desire are unpredictable (read: retarded) and must vary within the population, so outliers are gonna exist.
cultural aspect = there used to be no word to describe it but relatively recently it was falsely attributed to be something so heinous that anyone who even tries to discuss it has committed the ultimate taboo

Children are too young to even understand what they're doing. They can't initiate sex because they don't even know what sex is. If they do something that is considered sex related, it's because their fucking consciousness picked up on it and they're curious. It isn't because they want it or even that they understand everything that goes with it. They're children and they can't fully understand something like sex which can and does leave them confused. And then when they perceive what happened to them as something bad based on what they see in the world, they only fall deeper into the hole because they know have the thought stuck in they're mind that something horrible that they can't understand has happened. Get fucked.

being straight is just as much of an illness as being a pedophile. the only justification you use to say otherwise is the majority opinion of a society as well as trying to translate biological rules into moral conducts. (oh it won't create more children! it must be evil! it must be unnatural! (you prob think nature = healthy/correct))

Your sick in the head, and I hope you can figure out why your thoughts aren't healthy.

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I would consider it a mental illness by the definition:
>Mental illness, also called a mental disorder or psychiatric disorder, is a mental or behavioral pattern that causes either suffering or a poor ability to function in ordinary life.
to the extent that it causes suffering, which, guess what, looking at both of our flags, it does.

How is this different than kids playing sports? If they have a parent's permission and a doctor's note (they are healthy enough to engage in the activity) then they are good to go. They may not understand peewee football or ballet class. The parents just encourage their kids to do it. If the kids start crying the parents yell at and shame the kid until they get back in line.

Maybe that is where this is all heading. If a young boy or girl has a signed permission slip from their parents and a doctor's note then they will be able to engage in sexual activity (athletics)?

>Children are too young to even understand what they're doing.
age is a horrible indicator for how well anyone can comprehend something. a 12 year old with the emotional intelligence of a 24 year old is much more capable of consenting than a 24 year old with the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old.
>They can't initiate sex because they don't even know what sex is.
so teach them sex and then they can initiate it, just like everyone else has to do in their lives
>If they do something that is considered sex related, it's because their fucking consciousness picked up on it and they're curious.
so you're saying that they have a biological predisposition to do something sexual related, and it's only a socially imposed rule that interferes with them not enjoying their "curiosities?"
>when they perceive what happened to them as something bad based on what they see in the world
after they adopt the morals of their society (arbitrary and completely unjustifiable) they are obviously going to think it was immoral because the majority will ostracize them for actually trying to analyze what's really going on. they only think it's wrong because the autistic continuous cycle of people slamming it into them that they must have suffered/been abused when in cases consensual sex had occurred and no abuse whatsoever

Im done. Sorry op. Maybe somebody else can take on pedo logic but im done.

i guess it's a reproductive strategy. if you know you won't be able to secure a high quality mate when they're in their prime, you might try to scoop one up before then, which can be considered obscene depending on your culture

kek you suck, leave

Ok, let's shift for a moment from any sexual aspects and actions of pedophilia and pedophiles and move towards something a little tamer (we've certainly never discussed having sex with children a billion times before with the same arguments pitted against each other), let's discuss the appreciation of natural beauty then.

We can argue that children are amongst the most beautiful things in the world, however our culture has been taught and reinforced that the appreciation of beauty in the form of nudity is sick, and even more so for children. The natural form of the human body has been taught to be something ashamed of and not appreciated, but instead perverted by the widespread saturation of pornography. The ancients understood and appreciated the natural beauty of the human form, child and adult alike, yet we find the former, today, to be somehow morally reprehensible.

Now, discounting sexuality out of the picture entirely for a moment, is it wrong to appreciate natural beauty of children? Is it or is it not fallacious to associate nudity with sexuality? This is not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious to various answers and the defense and justification of them. Different cultures have different views on this, and in some cases are on both of the furthest sides of the spectrum of acceptability.

Discuss.

>good taste is a mental illness
No
>they don't even know what sex is
That's why you teach her. They also don't know to shit in the toilet until they're taught.
>Children are too young to even understand what they're doing
What's so hard to understand? She knows it feels good when daddy tickles her kitty.
>And then when they perceive what happened to them as something bad
Because they're brainwashed into thinking its bad.

**but instead has been perverted

consensual sex does not cause suffering.

the poor ability to function an ordinary life is directly a result of the society that chooses to hate a group of people that they unanimously agree to be horrible (for no actual reason other than a personal disgust).

so because society makes a person (for no good reason) suffer, and makes them unable to function in society, they now have a personality disorder under your dogshit definition

It's a power thing and a validation thing.

A cute young person respecting these people makes them feel powerful. I bet having sex with them makes them feel even more powerful. And then they get to shape them and mold them as they see fit etc. It's a power thing and it is a disgusting practice and every single pedophile on this planet should have their nuts chopped off, shoved down their throats and executed in front of their parents.

Sorry this is sort of a non sequitur lads but what are the Jews? They look so different to everything used to look where they claim to be from, yet they claim to hate whites even though they are the spitting image of whites.

Mental illness is real. I hope you find the help you need.

>Why does pedophilia exist?
jews!! The God Damn synagogue of Satan/jews.
The bastards.

> Sex is about power.

Wrong. That is how women view sex. Sex is a way (in fact, their only way) to have power in this world.

For men sex is about emptying their testicles very efficiently. Then get on with their life.

For women sex is about unending power and control. Talk to any married man, for example, how women give and withhold sex to extract favors from him. Or ask him how the sex from his new bride dried up the moment the wedding ring went on her finger.

All you said also apply to homosex
Devianies always existed and will always exist
The issue nowdays is that some people try to normalize them

it'd be a unique argument to try to assert that children have a biological propensity for sex with adults and they do it as a way to entice the adult to gain power over the adult. like the child actually has the power in the relationship instead of the adult

Men find women of age 15-18 to be of peak attractiveness and that is decreasing with time as girls hit puberty earlier and earlier. Men also have a genetic desire to aggressively monopolize potential sexual partners and the easiest way to do that is to groom children. Hence, we have pedo rapists and always will even if we castrate sexual offenders.

I'm not any kind of degenerate (aside from video games) but we have no many more homos to get to rid of before we tackle pedophilia.

Soon we'll be calling pedos MAPs (minor-attracted people).

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>...they do it as a way to entice the adult to gain power over the adult. like the child actually has the power in the relationship instead of the adult

That was the entire premise of this book. It ending up destroying Humbert Humbert in the end. But Lolita exercised complete sexual/psychological control over him.

>is it wrong to appreciate natural beauty of children?
Of course not.
>Is it or is it not fallacious to associate nudity with sexuality?
N-no, I think, nudity needn't be sexual but it can't be completely non-sexual either. Like, just because a girl is sexy doesn't mean you should do sex stuff with her but it doesn't mean you shouldn't think about it or right guy shouldn't do her.

>That was the entire premise of this book
I'm not sure you read it right.
>Lolita exercised complete sexual/psychological control over him
He had to pay her to fuck him and steal the money back so she wouldn't leave. And she still left because he was an insane pretentious asshole.

Only Americucks call everything under 18 'pedophilia'. If she has hips, breasts, and fuzz, she's ready.

Our modern world has permanently infantalized young adults to the point that they need 'safe spaces' into their fucking 30's.

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> He had to pay her to fuck him and steal the money back so she wouldn't leave. And she still left because he was an insane pretentious asshole.
Ergo she controlled the relationship.

> I'm not sure you read it right.
That was the interpretation I got from it. If he didn't obsess about her there would have been no plot line. At least not one that ended in a tragedy for him.

"The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world."

Either you have a society molded by enlightened pedos or degenerate cults/cunts and we've seen where the latter has gotten us.

Pedo shaming on the public level is simply a power play by the aformentioned groups who go about it in private. Even a mother's tendency to abuse or kill their own children is insanely high and don't get me started on how most of the population has been molded into emotionally dependent mommy pleasers through simple behavorial modicifation stockholm syndrome techniques passed around the sisterhood. Pedophilia or love of children by upstanding men is the way to break this sick cycle. I can't wait to watch society burn... for the children.

>CP is awesome, I love ze kiddies
>OMG MOHAMMAD WAS A PEDOPHILE, RACE WAR NOW

Please be consistent you degenerate hypocrites.

Mohammed was an Aryan given the laws of civilization like all other sages/prophets. They all so happen to speak to capitilizing on the inherent power of blooming sexuality. The metaphysics behind this are beyond your understanding, but at least most here know about telegony.

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Bruh.. We're talking about children here. "Sex with children" isn't sex. It's not a man who just wants to empty his testicles.

What are you a shill?

Leave my Princess alone, scumbag.

Sex can be the path to liberation if you are a ching chong sage and not a swedecuck.

kill yourself degenerate garbage

Aww that's cute. Too bad I'm a taoist wizard gaining immortality.

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How it did it initially begin?
It was a social norm at one point. Some people just have a hard time letting go of the past, especially if they were the victims of pedophilia when they were young.