/Fsg/ Fascist General

/Fsg/ - Fascist General

Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.

A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested


conservapedia.com/Fascist_Manifesto,_1919

worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

reakt.org/fiume/charter_of_carnaro.html


uploadmb.com/dw.php?id=1389982155

Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"


Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction

Oswald Mosely
Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
Benito Mussolini
Adolf Hitler
Stepan Bandera
Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
Salazar
Ramiro Ledesma Ramos
Ettore Ovazza
Gaetano Mosca
Friedrich Nietzsche
Charles Maurras
Enrico Corradini
Filippo Tommaso Marinetti
Johann Plenge
Alceste De Ambris
Gabriele d'Annunzio
Juan Perón

Types of Fascism

Italian
Falangism
National-Syndicalism
British Union
National-Socialism
Strasserism
Meme futurism
Clerical Fascism
Brazilian Integralism
Peronism

"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely

Other urls found in this thread:

archive.is/7CUMq
unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2009/07/carlyle-in-20th-century-fascism-and.html
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

>philosophic conception
Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.

>spiritual conception
To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.

>ethical conception
This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.

>religious conception
Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.

If anyone has any questions please ask them. Also the user who had requested for Salazar's writings, I've still had no fortune in finding them. I even looked through a whole bin full of over 520gb of PDFs, and still couldn't find it.

Hello blue user it is good to see you,
I will come back in a bit however i need to go do something.
Do you have any stories from your family in the old country

archive.is/7CUMq

Sounds good user, and no not really unfortunately. They came over in the early 1900s to a town in Mexico that my great great great? Uncle had founded, in the late 1800s. So they came there, and thats where my grandfather was born. Coincidentally my grandma's parents had came to that town around the same time, so thats how they ended up meeting.

8pol has compiled some good stuff

I see very interesting. my family came more recently into america and proudly i can say that we helped trump win despite our state being blue.

All the effort counted, and I feel your struggle lol, I live in California. There was no chance for us, I held a small hope that by some miracle we'd be red hoping the valley and northern parts to save us, but the coast blew right us over still and had us blue yet again.

I am in Chicago user i know. Have you been to that town in mexico? I have been multiple times to my home in Romania. My family has affected history for eastern Europe and now we affect american history.

Ah Chicago, is it as bad as they say it is there? And no I have not, but my father recently did and took my grandparents, he said it was crazy, so many people knew who his grandparents were and who he was even though he was born here in America. In the one of the old restaurants he walked into, our entire family tree was there but it ended at my father's name. Turned out the owner of the place was a distant uncle he had never met before.

You sure are shilling hard for your failed governing system.

If the executive, legislature and jusicary are failing to carry out your wishes, what on earth makes you think that removing their accountability to you, the electorate, will make them carry out your wishes?

That is interesting, same thing happened in when i went to my family's home town in Europe. My family is held in respect over in europe

commie fag get

>shilling hard
You realize national socialist generals have been posted everyday since 2013? Nothing wrong with this

>failed government system
Nope, the war isnt an answer either.

Hello again, BlueDivision. Great to see you're keeping these going.

Well this isn't a NatSoc General. It's a Fascist general.

Ah thats interesting, is it because of your family's ties with the iron guard? Or some other prominence, also I would assume that the rest of your family is pretty redpilled?

Thank you I definitely will keep going, and yeah but national socialism was a type of fascism. So me being "shilling" would mean nsg is "shilling" despite its a part of pol

>Oswald Mosely
>Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
>Benito Mussolini
>Adolf Hitler
>Stepan Bandera
>Corneliu Zelea Codreanu
>Salazar
>Ramiro Ledesma Ramos
>Ettore Ovazza
>Gaetano Mosca
>Friedrich Nietzsche
>Charles Maurras
>Enrico Corradini
>Filippo Tommaso Marinetti
>Johann Plenge
>Alceste De Ambris
>Gabriele d'Annunzio
>Juan Perón

How do you have this whole list and no Giovanni Gentile?

>and yeah but national socialism was a type of fascism

Not really. They differ quite a bit. Just because they're both authoritarian doesn't mean they're the same thing.

It's like communism and anarchism. Both far left wing, often on the same side, but not the same ideology.

They do differ a bit, but on terms of operation its the same. National socialism uses a corporatist economic system yet with just a few socialistic aspects. Fascism is molded to fit each countries situation and needs, hitler greatly drew inspiration for national socialism from Italian fascism. They certainly have differences, but they're all apart of the same family.

Been meaning to add him in, doing so in the paste now

How do you guys feel about the NRx contention that Fascism is just a particularly retarded version of democratic government, like a right wing communism?

Thank you for all the effort in looking for the Salazar stuff.

Same family, sure, but not the same thing is all I'm saying.

Great. I'd always recommend his works for the newcomers interested in reading Fascist philosophy, as Fascism is not just a political movement, it is applied to yourself as an individual and how you live.

All my family is redpilled. My grandfather blames the Jews for the loss of ww2. My mother thinks that race mixing is bad and Hither should have killed more gypsies.My family are treated nice due to their ties as well as the fact they are nice people. The only one of my family who is not really redpilled is my dad but that is more him being more empty to make more money.

>pose legitimate question
>receive no answers

Classic Fash Tards

>NRx contention
Not aware of what this is, can you explain?

>right wing communism
No, the only similarities they have is totalitarianism and a dictator, there's a reason fascists hate communists, it goes against everything a fascist stands for.

Not the same but related yeah, thats just what I'm saying. And yes, fascism is far more than just an ideology. Lifestyle, religion, worldview

I love you, you are our resident brit shill

Neoreactionaries, specifically Moldbug. Let me see if i can find a relevant post

>The Carlylean explanation of Hitler, Stalin and Mao is that fascism and Communism are both, each in a very different way, democratic phenomena. They existed in the century of democracy because they could not have existed without it.

unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2009/07/carlyle-in-20th-century-fascism-and.html

I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's an interesting perspective

>Shill

And yet nobody can answer my question.

If the executive, legislature and judicary are not doing as you wish, what makes you think removing their accountability will solve that?

I remember, when I first read up on Fascism and all that, being surprised to learn Mussolini was an atheist and found religion stupid. Not a very smart choice, in my view.

Even today, Spaniards still commemorate Franco's death because he saved Catholicism in Spain from the communists.

I guess that's why I can never accept Fascism. If you haven't already, I encourage you to read Pope Leo XIII's Diuturnum and Libertas encyclicals. They are very short, probably 40 pages total, but you get the sense of the worldview that I hold. You'll probably agree with most of what Leo is saying but I think Fascism goes too far and ends up in collectivism and state-worship. God, not the state, is man's Last End.

>Are Fashtard commies
"No, the only similarities they have are the two core principles of fascism"

ftfy

Thats great, I wish I could speak the same for my family. Have you ever tried redpilling your dad? Or he just will not listen to it

Because no one feels like arguing with you. But to answer your question, simply remove them and now do as we wish. Democracy is a regime infested with many kings, being more tyrannical than just one king.

One doesn't need to worship the state. Just work within it and recognize that it's what keeps the wheels going in your country and society and all that. Provided, of course, said state and leadership is good, and creates prosperity.

All glory is to God.

>could not of existed without democracy
Well thats basically true, inspired the reaction of fascism.

So can you find anythink in those two encyclicals that contradicts fascist precepts? It may just be that I'm ignorant of fascism.

God is the man's last stand user, fascism always incorporates some form of Christianity into the state, as it is a natural safeguard against degeneracy and instiller of morals. If you do not believe in God then the state only asks you are religious in your morals.

>Good Fascists
>top billed : Oswald "I can't make my mind up on where to sit in Parliament" Mosley

It certainly has been tough trying to find them, might just have to resort to buying it.

Fascism, again, is not just a political movement, like I said. It's a way of life. Uncompromising faith in Christ against any obstacle or winds of change can be considered Fascist, if you know the philosophy.

I've never seen any reason why religion and Fascism cannot work together. Once you know the whole thing, you'll begin to see why Christianity can work fine with it well.

For example, Fascism is against materialism. So is Christianity.

One need not WORSHIP the state. Only work in it, appreciate it, and do good by your people and country. Always honor God.

Perfectly said user

Thanks.

Here's this also.

That's my plan if I can't find them but I first must find out what my dad thinks of Salazar. I remember him saying something along the lines of "say what you want, at least we still had gold with him" when I was younger. Depending on his position, it would be weird for him to see that book in my room. If he hates him, then I wouldn't want to buy it.

I find it interesting that I share a namesake with primo de Rivera. What are his contributions to the fascist ideology?

It seems that faggot professors in America never want to touch on this portion of history; almost every portion of Europe went through a fascist era, but they only ever want to talk about the commie roots of a country.

You'll also find that most of the symbols in that pic belonged to groups that were devoutly Christian.

Rexist Party and Iron Guard immediately come to mind.

>simply remove them

Oh great idea, civil war every time NHS cuts are mentioned by the Daily Mail.

And who do you replace them with? Someone you personally support? But many will disagree with you, social
cohesion will break down, the people who disagree with you will attempt to remove your leadership.

You argument is literally "FASCISM IS GREAT IF WE HAVE A UNICORN IN CHARGE"

>Democracy is a regime infested with many kings, being more tyrannical than just one king.

And now you are just rambaling nonsense, nonsense that goes against the only actual argument FOR fascism over Democracy that is legitimate. Thay Democracy suffers from too much input from conflicting views resulting in a sluggish and slow to react executive.

And you celarly do not undersyand modern Democratic systems if you think it is "infested with kings".

Even our own Monarch is subjected to a seperation of power, no on body has total power over the Law.

Using the British system as an example

The Legislature is Parliament, they have the ability to write and rewrite laws as they see fit, they will pass on their Bill to the executive to be made Law. Commons holds the most power as they are representatives of the Electorate

The Executive is the Government, The Prime Minister and her Party and the Royal Preogative of the Queen. Bills are passed to the executive and the executive decides if the Bill should become an Act, well aware that dismissing a popular Bill will result in dissident revolt from the other two seperations of power and the electorate. Once made an Act, it is up to the Judicary to Interperate and apply the Act as Law.

The Judicary are the courts of the land, unable to usurp the will of Parliament, but able to interperate the Law within the scope of the rules of interpretation.

This is not a system of kings, but a system of balance and equilibrium of powers.

Your system is lets give a Unicorn total power and everything will be glorious!

saved i have been looking for this, thank you

I tried convincing him but he mostly leans conservative because he is a money man. Even tried to get him redpilled on religion telling him about church, ain;t havin it

>What are his contributions to the fascist ideology?

Look up the Falange in Spain.

>It seems that faggot professors in America never want to touch on this portion of history; almost every portion of Europe went through a fascist era, but they only ever want to talk about the commie roots of a country.

Of course. They're marxists. It's part of their plan.

Same reason why some media companies or countries will censor the swastika, but will leave the hammer & sickle just fine, even though communism killed about 100 million people in his height.

awaken people!
open your eyes
fascism is most redpilled

Sounds like hes a bit optimistic about him, shouldn't mind you getting his literature.

Would fascists support religious freedom? I don't, and neither does the Church which has condemned indifferentism repeatedly. I accept every teaching of the Church, no matter how farfetched it seems. And by the Church I of course mean the Catholic Church, the only true religion. There is no salvation outside the Church.

Those two encyclicals do more justice to the topic than I ever will so I encourage you to read them. Diuturnum talks about the origin of civil society. God. All authority comes from Him. To disobey legitimate authority is to disobey God. Libertas talks about liberty and shows that true liberty is following the teachings of the Church and avoiding sin which makes one a slave.

Creator of the Falange, savior of spain. Read his anthology book to get them full understanding of his ideology.

>true liberty is doing what I tell you to do

Ah well at least he is conservative, better than him just not caring or being a liberal. My entire family is practically just neutral on politics, they have no idea about my views.

No fascism would not allow religious freedom, whatever the state religion is, being most likely Christianity or Catholic, is what will go.

Spoken true based nip.

>I got BTFO again so I'm returning to my echo chamber.

That's not the argument being made. Libertas demonstrates why true liberty is following the Church's teachings but you need to read it to understand because it's meticulously explained and to quote any one bit out of context would not do much.

You really are trying hard aren't you?

>Would fascists support religious freedom?

No. I can tell you now Islam would be banned in a Fascist country.

We wouldn't have a direct theocracy or anything like that, but we would absolutely promote Christian ideals and values over anything else.

I'd also promote science at the same time, but that's just me.

The Church has always been a champion of science since understanding God's creation is good.

I don't really have to try hard to poke holes in how utterly retarded Fascism is.

It is the ideology of the fantasist and the uniform fetishist.

Sciences would still remain a necessity, just of course not the type of "scientists" we have now

>No. It would do exactly what I personally want it to do.

And that is the crux of why you Fashtards are so retarded.

>poke holes
Where? Besides using strawman arguments?

Right, but you also don't want to get to the point where it is now, with Pope Francis and his despicable globalist bullshit.

>just of course not the type of "scientists" we have now

Like?

I don't think you know what a strawman is.

You present yourself as a Fashtard

I highlight why that is retarded by using fascism core principle, removal of the electorate, as my my main target and compare it to an electoral system.

You can only use "muh strawman" as a retort.

Catholic means universal, we were the original globalists since all nations should submit to the Divine King.

Pope Francis has yet to contradict any doctrine, and he won't because he is a legitimate Pope and is protected by the Holy Spirit from binding error. He is simply taking a different approach since we failed to stop the spread of liberalism. I trust that the Holy Father, and God, know what they're doing.

Evolution for example

I agree. Worst thing is when people are liberal because of being force fed propaganda, ironically enough i grew up because of some of my relatives as being pro communism however as i got older i became more driven towards democracy but later when i got back to see my pro guard family and talk to them about it, I became fascist.

Sorry my blue friend but i go to sleep now.Wish you luck and see you tomorrow at the same time.

And this is where we part. I will never accept the communist evil that is globalism or the despicable trash by Pope Francis. The man said ISIS is like Jesus spreading the gospel.

>He is simply taking a different approach since we failed to stop the spread of liberalism

I don't think you realize the globalists are the ones who have done the liberal/marxist spreading.

My spiritual faith and loyalty is to God alone. Not to any man made organization. I do not worship any Church, I worship the Lord.

Remember, there will always be false prophets who claim to be of God, but are deceivers.

Are you an evolution denier?

Democracy is a fallacy :^)

t. man with no arguments

What are some good books on facism? Genuinely interested

Thats good to hear user, and goodnight, hope to see you around the same time tomorrow

Modern evolution, of course I believe species have adapted to environments and such, but I do not believe humans came from monkeys or fish or whatever bullshit it is they say.

the retardation is strong with you.

The Lord gave the Church authority to bind things on earth. Peter and his seat were given the keys. You have the duty to obey, not only because all authority comes from God, but also because this was established by Jesus in flesh and we can know purely through history that it is true. If you love God, then you will keep His law.

Besides, don't you know that private interpretation of scripture was the first step towards the private interpretation of morality? Liberalism is a direct descendant of the Reformation.

>but I do not believe humans came from monkeys

We didn't "come from monkeys". We branched off and evolved from primates over a very long period of time.

And all life came from the sea originally.

Doctrines of fascism, doctrines of national socialism, anthology, for my legionaries, evolian literature. Basically check out all the works of the people named in the OP

I believe in creationism, sorry, I can't believe in that. God placed the first humans, Adam and Eve

I will never obey a Church that has been subverted by those who clearly do not worship God behind closed doors. Let alone one involved in numerous cases of covering up child sex abuse scandals and praises Islam.

The Church is made up of sinners. Look at Peter, he sinned like crazy, denying Christ. But the Church has NEVER once in its 2000 year history taught any error. Despite people's inclination to sin, the Doctrine of the Church and the Deposit of Faith are unsullied, thanks to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

/Fag/ - Fascist General

Wow ebin meme my friend

You can believe that if you wish but it doesn't change anything.

I'm speaking about those sinners and the horse shit that Pope Francis spreads.

If they say tomorrow, hypothetically, that Islam is great and we must have open borders, and throw in some socialism, would you also go along with this?

I will not capitulate to this evil, marxist bullshit and I will not fall for false prophets who preach and do wickedness in the name of God.

But everyone is a sinner, isn't that what you Christcucks teach?

memes control the universe, /fag/. If you wish to reach your utopia, you must be one with the memes

And the same for you, as long as we both believe in Fascism all is well. And I must 100% agree with you about Pope Francis, he openly advocates and promotes homosexuality, thats unacceptable.

Kek blesses fascism

fug kek pls

Open boarders is not a religious doctrine. The Holy Father wants us to have empathy for those who have lost everything but he also warned about taking in regufees that we can't accommodate. You are free to hold whatever position you want on this issue, his opinion is not binding.

The Pope has never said that Islam is a great religion and he never will. That would literally be heresy.

Socialism has been thoroughly condemned by the Church, no Pope will ever support it. The Pope is completely in line with Leo XIII's contribution to social teachings (see Rerum Novarum). He seems to be a Distributist in everything but name.