Hello Sup Forums, can we seriously discuss restoration of monarchies in Europe? Is it even possible to restore monarchies in modern democratic-representative world?
Current European monarchies:
>UK >The Netherlands (*1804) >Denmark (ancient origins, first documented king - 804) >Norway (*872) >Sweden (legendary origins, can possibly date to 1st century BC; first docummented king - 10th century) >Spain (1516 - 1873; 1874 - 1931; *1939) >Liechtenstein (*1719) >Luxembourg (*1815) >Belgium (*1830) >Monaco (*1297) >Andorra (*1278) >Vatican (recognized - 1929)
Monarchies (only kingdoms and empires) that existed 100 years ago:
No of course, democracy became almost a religion by now, as if possibility of choosing who will bring orders of soros to life is in any way related to freedom or prosperity. Most of people will never understand anything about monarchy, not even on this board. Moreover, jews didnt tried to abolish it for 200 years just so that we could restore it now.
Andrew Green
Ofc restoring absolutist monarchy is immpossible but maybe celebratory ruler could be possibility in some countries, maybe countries like Russia, Italy, France, Germany, even Portugal was close in the 70's during Salazar
John Long
Spain is an modern example that you can restore the monarchy after it was abolished. Only thing I'm not sure about is if there is any possibility for peaceful restoration - withouth coup
Ayden Collins
Bump
Cooper Allen
No. Only reason it works, is because it's old and therefore legidimate
Christian Green
Then why was it abolished in the first place?
Gabriel Thompson
>France >1853 - 1870 no
Jose Adams
My bad, Napoleon III. took the throne 2nd december 1852, I got confused by the fact that his potential second term would have began 1853
Noah Wilson
The thing is, we don't really consider Napoleon I and III to be kings in France. They were emperors. Bonapartism is very different from French monarchism.
Parker Gomez
How does it work in France? The Legitimists are more conservative?
Kayden Diaz
I see what you mean but it is still considered technically monachy. My intention wasn't to dispute Napoleons' disparity with Bourbons, rather I wanted to show how rooted monarchy in general is in European society. And frankly if monarchy was restored in France, I would be in favor of monarch from House of Bonaparte.
Sebastian Russell
The monarchists are kind of irrelevant. Only few political groups are monarchists, it's a very uncommon opinion. The monarchists tend to be very conservative people. Bonapartists were replaced by Gaullists since Gaullism can be seen as an evolution of bonapartism.
Jason Lopez
I wouldn't be in favor of monarchism. Both Napoleon I and III became emperors because of their political intelligence and charisma, not because of their family. I think it's a healthier way to chose the nation's leader. However I do not hate monarchy. It's a very important part of our history, I just don't think it could work in the current century.
Lincoln Flores
Party of Marie Le Pen (Front National) was basically founded by mixture of monarchists, bonapartists and other minor groups of conservatists. It served as a shelter for these groups during her fathers' leadership and to some extend continues to serve that purpose now.
Juan Turner
I fear this is more a topic for /his/ In Germany for instance, a royal movement is basically non-existant. It is seen as a waste of money for cheap prestige, a right-wing tinfoil thing and of no actual use. The amount of tourism, the similarity to the Bundespräsident and its cultural background do not outweigh the non-interest of the German people for this topic. People here would rather settle for the idea of a Führer than considering a Kaiser, I'm serious. And you know that the likelihood of Germany going for a Führer figure in a non-democratic way is also seen as impossible. It would require a massiv medial force pushing for the idea for it to change and as of now, there is no way thisll happen.
Jayden Stewart
Britain, Benelux and Scandinavia are generaly considered one of the most democratic nations out there and they're all monarchies. I'm not talking about absolute monarchy, I would be fine with celebratory monarch
Evan Reyes
Well you already have president that has bassically no power, monarch could replace his role and bring more prestige to the nation, also he would be someone who will improve Germany's prestige overall. Also he would be certainly better moral figurehead of the country then Merkel
Robert Morgan
No. Le Pen is a cuck married to a whore (literal whore), who was a huge naziboo and sucked enemy's cock to astronomical levels. His daughter is a feminazi mannish dyke who's right arm is an actual faggot. Gaullism and Bonapartism is based and relies on french pride with no need to leech success and ideology from your german masters. I'm not even french (eastern euro studying here) and I get that.
Ian Harris
It was founded by the "Algérie Française" type of guys, not by monarchists
Grayson Thomas
Imperialist/colonialists tend to be monarchists as well
Parker Gonzalez
Montengro is just sea-side Serbia
Albania is a turkish puppet state, remove
Michael Lewis
The problem in France is that I don't think the king would be legitimate in the eyes of the population.
Lucas Wood
Trust me, I had this argument before. Doesnt sway the normies. >If its the same and only brings a bit of prestige why change it? >Rather have 5-7 eternally payed officials than 1 paid head of state for life Nobody here likes royality or deems it okay. They love British monarchy but for Germany its seen as an ancient relic of no use.
Carter Price
Make him a black Muslim king and your population will flock to support him
John Parker
there's no europe without poland, fuck you pepik you volksdeutch bootlicking scum
Gavin Barnes
Yes. Basically italians, spaniards, lebanese and jews (immigrants) speaking french in algeria and larping as frogs. Look it up, most of pied noir were neither french nor white . Algeria still is fucking french clay. Arabs turned it into a shithole, should have been genocided. But the trust me goy I'm a real french cuz Algérie française guys are one of the worst types of cancer only third to mudslims and joos in France.
The problem is that Georg Friedrich Ferdinand, current succersor to German throne and Prussian prince made no claims and publicly distanced himself from people trying to restore the monarchy.
Also to my knowledge, the are certain groups of people in Germany that respect pre-WWI or WWII borders and refuse to obey German law. Idk what's their name but they've recently got into the news for killing two police officers
James Diaz
The Habsburgs weren't forced to renounce their royal claims in Hungary (unlike in Austria) because of commies, so legally they still have rights to the throne. Their heir apparent seems to be a based kid. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Zvonimir_von_Habsburg I'd be all in for a monarchy because republicanism has no historical tradition here and all of our previous republics (technically this is our third one) were shit anyhow.
Jason Baker
Why would you want to? Also, the Netherlands is only technically a monarchy; it's a republic for all practical purposes.
Charles Jones
Not necessarly. Salan was not a monarchist and neither is Jean-Marie Le Pen.
Nolan Mitchell
Couldn't they get the Habsburgs instead?
Parker Baker
also answering your question there are no men above the common folk, God Honor Farherland, not God King Fatherland, ok?
Christian Hughes
If they reformed the Holy Roman Empire, they might.
Carson Baker
Well British monarch is still one of the succesors to German throne. Current British monarchy has origins in Hannover and was originally named House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and only renamed to Winsdor during WW1
Brody Hughes
Kek'd
Ayden Murphy
>HRE
Jose Campbell
If doubles, Trump establishes a monarchy in the US
Robert Torres
Nobody in Germany would be interested in picking a Wittelsbach because they are associated with Bavaria and while Bavaria is the biggest federal state the northern Germans would revolt. One of the Prussian houses? No, this time the Bavarians and Swabians would revolt.
Some Saxon nobility? We might be on the right track. Nobody in Germany really loves them, but they aren't hated either.
But could we find a monarch that unites all the regional sentiments? Those of the Prussians, the Bavarians and the Saxons? Some house that could be popular in Swabia, Bavaria, Prussia and maybe even the Rhineland?
The house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha! They have the Saxon part ticked, they have reigned from Coburg, a Bavarian town that should have become the capital of the German Empire. And they are a sub Branch of the House of Hannover which in turn is a branch of the Welfs who have ruled both Prussia and Bavaria. Sweet, so we just need to convince the Rhineland and that's it.
So who would be a suitable monarch of Saxe-Coburg Gotha? Someone who wouldn't get involved in politics too much. Someone who is decidedly German in their ancestry... That's right:
Ian King
He just picked some facts of Wikipedia. The entire list is a shit. The most obvious error is calling Italy a kingdom. To this day and age Italy is in itself separated.
Jeremiah Thomas
The Habsburgs had the title of King of Germany. They also were more prestigious than any other family.
Mason Johnson
I don't like monarchy by principle, but to be completely honest, our country is yet to have a president better than our good kings.
But the current pretenders come from the noblest of lineages (our best general) and they are a bunch of weirdos.
At the very least I'd like the colours of the flag back, if not the crown itself.
Robert Garcia
If current European monarchs wanted to rule they would be politically active, trying to get into power. They are mostly cucks that need to die off.
Matthew Scott
Problem with HRE is that there was only kingdom permited to exist in the empire: Kingdom of Bohemia. Even Austria was "just" Archduchy. That's also the reason why former members became kindoms around 1806, because that was the year of the dissolution of the empire by Napoleon which mean states like Bavaria weren't tied to obey rules of HRE and could declare themselves kingdoms
Hunter Williams
>They are mostly cucks that need to die off. That's true
Adrian Wood
Salazar was actually considering restoring the monarchy, similarily to Franco's restoration of monarchy in Spain. The only reason that prevented him from doing this was that many of his supporters were republicans and could have joined the opposition if monarchy happened, also he feared changing the flag so he wouldn't give opposition their symbol
Jason Murphy
They're called reichsbürger and most deserve to be shot even when I agree with them that the monarchy has to be restored
Levi Smith
Monarchies were more aesthetic but reviving them won't bring back 17th-18th century values.
>It is seen as a waste of money for cheap prestige, a right-wing tinfoil thing and of no actual use This is true if it's constitutional.
>Nobody in Germany would be interested in picking a Wittelsbach because they are associated with Bavaria and while Bavaria is the biggest federal state the northern Germans would revolt. One of the Prussian houses? No, this time the Bavarians and Swabians would revolt. Mate you're having too much fun larping, no one in Germany gives a fuck.
Caleb Edwards
I doubt he'd want those inbred idiots.
We're too pragmatic for a monarchy, to be honest.
Noah Roberts
>All sciences have their mysteries and at certain points the apparently most obvious theory will be found in contradiction with experience. Politics, for example, offers several proofs of this truth. In theory, is anything more absurd than hereditary monarchy? We judge it by experience, but if government had never been heard of and we had to choose one, whoever would deliberate between hereditary and elective monarchy would be taken for a fool. Yet we know by experience that the first is, all things considered, the best that can be imagined, while the second is the worst. What arguments could not be amassed to establish that sovereignty comes from the people? However they all amount to nothing. Sovereignty is always taken, never given, and a second more profound theory subsequently discovers why this must be so. Who would not say the best political constitution is that which has been debated and drafted by statesmen perfectly acquainted with the national character, and who have foreseen every circumstance? Nevertheless nothing is more false. The best constituted people is the one that has the fewest written constitutional laws, and every written constitution is worthless.
Is Joseph de Maistre politikino?
Ryan Martinez
Yeah the frogs killed the rule of white people with their constant backstabbing and plotting against a natural order. Then they lost every war afterwards, succumbed to nigger cocks they imported and are now one of the first ex patris caliphates. Yeah, dissolution of HRE really worked out well for you.
Carson Cooper
They can't do anything on their own withouth support of the people. Sadly, soon enought monarchist tendencies across Europe will get smaller and smaller as the people that remember them die off. If we want to restore any monarchy democratically it's about time, but the only other option in modern times is coup or monarchistically thinking president (someone like Franco, Salazar or even Putin)
Sebastian Stewart
>Is it even possible to restore monarchies in modern democratic-representative world? if we change dynasties. the current prince of ours can't even speak serbian
Hunter Cooper
Where is Poland on that map?
Andrew Adams
>Reichsbürger
Yeah that's the name, thanks user. You're right thought that they are bassically group of idiots and that's part of the reason (sadly) why monarchist tendencies are dying, nobody wants to be associated with such people.
Leo Jones
Stay mad
Ayden Robinson
Ofc it was bit overexaturated, personaly I would be in favor of Prussian king
Zachary Peterson
Next to Belarus.
Jace Robinson
That video was sad to watch btw
Cameron Moore
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Camden Williams
All thrones belong to Lizzie.
Kayden Watson
Not mad, we are done. but I truly enjoy every nigger cock you take like in the EM against the sea gypsis.
Jordan Mitchell
Most of our rulers were shit. Past and present. Defenestration should be a thing again.
Caleb Martin
I thought there are nice people in Netherlands.
Anthony Gutierrez
1792 - death of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth aka third partition of Poland between Austria, Prussia and Russia
Poland was later restored as pupet state of Russia (known as Congressional Poland) and during WW1 as German pupet state. It became independent in 1918 as a republic only to be annexed by the soviets twenty years later
Nicholas Reed
Imagine if you could guarantee that the head of state would be a white anglo saxon protestant till the end of time.
Someone trained from birth in the traditions and customs, the physical manifestation of the identity, traditions and culture of the nation.
Cheaper than a president but with less power and more accountability.
The head of state is the same person as the head of the national religion.
Completely independent of business, establishment and partisan interests.
An institution physically incapable of being infiltrated and subverted by jews or any other alien interest.
A politically correct rallying figure for extremist patriotism that can't be criticised or slandered by the media.
A stabilising influence preventing rebellion or revolution, commanding allegiance from all parties.
The last piece on the chessboard to defend before your nation falls to globalism.
An unbroken political link to your history, cultural heritage and legendary past.
A tribal chieftain you can really give your whole heart in honour and noble loyalty to.
That's what we have.
Samuel Sanchez
She's fucking German
Adrian Ward
>Most of our rulers were shit.
Vozd Karadjordje, needed for fight me turks 1 on 1 Knez Milos Obrenovic, needed for even Serbs have brain Knez Mihailo Obrenovic, needed for Serbs can into Europe Kralj Petar Karadjordjevic, needed for we wuz old European nobility and sheet educate yourself, all great rulers
Milan and Aleksandar O. were bad, Aleksandar K. was a good king but a bitch who destroyed Serbia to create SHS and Yugoslavia, a.k.a. not really our king, and there is where Karadjordjevici lose rights for Serbian throne, even Petrovic-Njegos have more rights
Brayden Cruz
Depends on the ruler desu, I know he experienced Napoleon so I kinda understand why would he say this
Blake Howard
No, fuck monarchy and fuck nazis. We don't need any of that shit.
Kevin Clark
You shouldn't be proud of that. Look at France now.. The good doesn't outweigh the bad..
t. Person who left France because it has been on a decline for over a hundred years. My family fought for Napoleon
Landon Stewart
So are the English, the Anglo SAXONS. Her name is SAXE-Gotha-Coburg. Her ancestors are from the House of Hanover - Hanover, SAXONY. She can trace her ancestry to William the Conqueror. The throne is hers by descent and divine right, the unbreakable bonds of blood and spirit.
Chase Ramirez
>Royal family Literal welfare niggers, but more expensive.
Angel Mitchell
I honestly think that the problem is monarchist parties aren't take seriously over here => no media coverage => nobody knows about them => no votes
Grayson Anderson
The Braganza pretender is a weirdo?
Jaxon Johnson
If only English genealogy was so simple that you could claim they were pure-blooded Saxons. The average Englishmen is a mutt between Celtic, Germanic, Scandinavian, Latin, and French influences.
That said, I do agree with your point on the monarchy's ideals. I just don't think your current one fits those ideals.
Josiah Hall
The jaw and the nose make her look like Putin.
Blake Thomas
>most I had those in mind, as well as some Nemanjićs when I typed in my comment. Also first reign of knez Mihailo is regarded as a poor one, he was never much loved by the people. Petar was a good king, still remembered among the people as such. I can go into the faults of each and every one in depth, but its something to go over with a beer, not some oriental ouija image board.
Luke Morales
Yeah, he's a soft cunt. Left-leaning too, but that may be because he no longer has any stakes anywhere.
Noah Collins
Yeah that's basically the case, our only monarchist party (Koruna Ceska) isn't getting invited to any political debates or anything like that. I actually read their agenda once and they weren't so bad, the only problem I have with them is they want to restore Habsburgs, I would prefere someone ala Jiri z Podebrad aka elected by domestic nobles
Jason Carter
It doesn't really depend on the ruler. The question is whether or not monarchies produce better leaders than democracies on average.
Thomas Cook
But... Eduardo or Alfonso? Alfonso has a very smug face.
Isaac Long
The thing with monarchy is that you can get the best king ever and then he will have the power and time to do best things ever, but then you can also get degenerate faggot (via picture) who will rule for fuck ton of years and bring the country down, that's why restoration of absolute monarchy is immpossible.
Carson Butler
Forgot pic
John Brooks
Duarte Pio is the current pretender.
Are you thinking of the Brazilian line?
Hunter Campbell
Duarte = Eduardo
No, the Portuguese one
Landon Stewart
Yeah, he's a bit of a leftit pussie. All worried about the environment and shit.
We'd need tryouts to find a new king, desu.
The real problem is the Parliament and Prime Minister. Our current President is pretty cool.
Isaiah Williams
Does he have any ambitions to become the king or is he hidding in the closet afraid to speak up?
Carson Jones
I'm sure he's sad he's not the king, but also relieved, desu.
He knows the Portuguese people are way too republican/pragmatic to accept a regular dude having more rights than everyone else. We're just not like that, really.
Gavin Stewart
B-but your kingdom had some great moments, it led the colonisation of the new world, during it's existance Portugal was one of the key players in international politics, you helped to defeat Napoleon. What did go wrong?
Jordan Rogers
We stopped naming our kings "Afonso" and our generals "Pereira".
Stupid mistake, in retrospective.
Daniel Garcia
>letting yourself be a subject of a king
Is there an even greater way to be a cuck?
Caleb Wilson
How many powers the President has? PS + BlocdeEsq + Communists have majority in Parliament so I suppose that they can pass a lot of things
David Garcia
Excellent point my dude. The British people are a nation, not a tribe. Why would anyone expect our monarch to be any different?
Jackson James
Your head of state is a half-Kenyan muslim nigger.
Easton Hill
He can dissolve the Parliament at will, choose the Prime Minister (he chose the right-wing guy first just to make a point), and a couple of veto powers. His signature is also required for passing bills, I believe.
He has quite a lot of power for a President in a Parliamentary system, actually.
Before that he was a law teacher and a tv-commentator and politician. He's generally very affable and well liked (think Obama), and he's smart as fuck.
Nathan Hill
Look how energic he looks, ready to make Portugal great nation once again, ready to rule with strenght god has given to him. Makes me sad to look at this foto knowing he would be such a great ruler
