When did you realize that (((man made climate change))) is a hoax?

I have known for years but fortunately more people are waking up

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I am still open minded. But yes, starting to realise scientists have been manipulating data to fit the narrative.
Any idea who benefits from this manipulation?

Meme answers Jews

Real answer scientists who have made a career out of taking grants and money to propagate the lie

Environmental misanthropist activists who use climate change as a pretext to ban fossil fuels and force a dramatic depopulation

You idiot, it literally taxes technology. Use your fucking imagination.

i believed in it when i was young.
i got skeptical when all the early 90's predictions about what would happen by the early 2000's didn't come true at all.
i realized it was a hoax around 2010 after studying up on science, epistemology, limits of knowledge, complexity theory, basic stats and then reading random parts of the IPCC reports. they have no standards for science, never mind low standards...

The earth is a energy -> matter reactor.

youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U

big oil does. coal is its biggest competitor and more emission-heavy than oil. it also increases the value of oil by selling the idea of scarcity.

you fucking retard. seriously fuck you.

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>When did you realize that (((man made climate change))) is a hoax?

When I realised that absolutely none of the people who claim to believe in it actually live their lives in a manner that is consistent with their belief.

Whether it's powerful politicians who - despite claiming to believe in it - bizarrely refuse to a) De-industrialise their nations b) Enforce population control c) Bring in rationing d) Ban pointless/luxury consumption e) End democracy so that the aforementioned can be achieved

or

the average individual who shouts "OMGS we're only years away from disaster due to needless consumption!" while continuing to live needlessly materialist lives

nobody who claims to believe in anthropogenic climate change actually follows through on their professed belief.

uhh durrr


astronomynow.com/2015/08/08/corrected-sunspot-history-suggests-climate-change-not-due-to-natural-solar-trends/

>The two methods of counting the sunspot number — the Wolf Sunspot Number and the Group Sunspot Number — indicated significantly different levels of solar activity before about 1885 and also around 1945. With these discrepancies now eliminated, there is no longer any substantial difference between the two historical records.

>The new correction of the sunspot number, called the Sunspot Number Version 2.0, led by Frédéric Clette (Director of the World Data Centre [WDC]–SILSO), Ed Cliver (National Solar Observatory) and Leif Svalgaard (Stanford University, California, USA), nullifies the claim that there has been a Modern Grand Maximum.

>Now that this error has been corrected, solar activity appears to have remained relatively stable since the 1700s.

no (you) anymore...

i did until i figured out that the same people pushing climate denial were the ones pushing smoking doesn't cause cancer

Imagine an entire industry built up around lobbying with junk science to protect big business

Very tolerant and open minded

>Any idea who benefits from this manipulation?
a lot of people do
scientists that get grant money
elon musk and his billions in government funding for electric cars and space program
Russia for selling Europe CLEAN AIR so european countries meet the polution per cubic meter air quota
China and south-east asia since all big industries/factories move over there
lobbyists

and probably many many more. Most of these people know the hoax, others are just "useful idiots" are jews out for shekels

Liberal conspiracy theories. I bet you also believe race is a social construct

This

Sup Forums acts like scientists never get a fucking grant and yet completely ignore the paper trail from climate skepticism

Protip: It's oil industry money

>muh unsubstantiated conspiracy theories are better than actual facts!!!

Stupid indebted wannabe roach

Feel free to look at who supports the Cato and Heartland Institutes which are the most major proponents of climate skepticism

>manipulating data

This has not happened

Yeah dude this evil greedy White males are also promoting rape culture and police brutality against PoC

Wake up sheeple!!!!!!

Non the less given by these graphs you people keep posting its shows that the temperature change required around ~100 years to rise or fall.

Nowadays we have higher temperature rates in just a couple od decades.

Nice strawman you autistic fuck

>le jewish corporations are totally fine in this case guys, trust me!!!!!

I wonder who's behind this post

you got that graph going up to modern day though? because, sure, it looks ok on that graph , kinda, but it looks like around 1800ish it was on its way down, but then the industrial revolution happened and it just went back up again...and kept going up, and even before y2k it as at its highest point in over a thousand years, and the graph clearly shows the largest consistant increase after industry....my words are mumbled, im heavily medicated...i hope someone can decipher my point.

The IPCC was literally caught manipulating data in 2010 kys brainwashed retard your fake pretentious sense of superiority is cringy af you are a laughing stock

lol look up the Hoover Institution

literal tobacco industry shill mill looking at climate change as a new market

Do you even try to research/think about things or do you just go with what ever supports your bias?

I've known ever since algores movie

No they weren't you utter retard

>fake pretentious sense of superiority

I think you're just mad and insecure over the fact that you're a fucking mentally defective retard that thought he was fighting evil while being so easily duped by kike oil corporations you literal kike retard puppet

#staywoke

Those evil White male racist white supremacists at le corporations are denying science because they hate LGBT people and proud women of color!!!

>its impossible to be anti-SJW and be a believer of AGW

Literally kill yourself you kike bootlicker

out of context email exchanges from one university means that the literal thousands of scientific papers on the subject must be in on the conspiracy too?

Just google IPCC Himalayan glaciers you fat inbred kike they even had to issue an apology

It is not a hoax. And most people in power realize that even China and Russia accept it and Europe. You will drive an Electric Car in 25 years.

>just check out my super biased industry shill web site for the "facts"

The East Anglia university scandal is a different incident. How much are you getting paid by Soros or Peter Lewis to push the hoax? I cant imagine you are doing it for free

Oh look, it's basically fucking nothing

Now are you going to get the kike cock out of your mouth and look at how every argument of climate skepticism is null and void and how all climate denial is fueled by oil industry money and nothing else?

Of course not you worthless subhuman kike

They issued an official apology Shlomo GTFO

Just a reminder that you are literally shilling for kike oil companies FOR FREE

Notice how your increasingly nervous autistic ass can't even specifically reference any of your (((arguments)))

You have none and just shill (((Infowars))) as some universal source. You are a willful puppet who likes their hands up your wide asshole

>The IPCC error on the 2035 prediction was unfortunate and it's important that such mistakes are avoided in future publications through more rigorous review. But the central message of the IPCC AR4, is confirmed by the peer reviewed literature. The Himalayan glaciers are of vital importance, providing drinking water to half a billion people. Satellites and on-site measurements are observing that Himalayan glaciers are disappearing at an accelerating rate.

Thanks for the info. Not sure how it helps you though as this error doesn't prove a hoax.

It's been like 10 years I know it.

Even at the time Al gore made his stupid documentary I knew it.

>You will drive an Electric Car in 25 years.

and you will pay even more "green taxes" because of how "harmful" the lithium exploitation is and how "dirty" the electricity is the cars use.

>Not sure how it helps you though as this error doesn't prove a hoax.

>base the whole premise on an error loaded model
>implement laws, and regulations on this
>sorry folks we go it wrong but the message is whats important

When I realized "environmentalists" were lying about temperature records. If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.

youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-DNNIUjKU

>found the useful idiot

>I do not understand the basic premise of science

Not an argument.

>Climate change
>Hoax

I agree, that's not an argument. That's a statement of fact.

>posting a video from a tobacco shill who had to change his name to get work in the climate denial field


really nigga?

>leaving out man made

saw what you did there pedro

skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Great website for people that don't just confirm their biases against liberal policy because it's convenient for them

I have for years.

>tobacco shill
[Citation needed]
>If I keep using ad hominems, maybe people will believe me!

Ad hominem

You mean a great website for liberal confirmation bias?

The only issue was that they predicted it could disappear in 2035. That's basically it, almost everything else is just fine

Like how the Himalyan glaciers are disappearing at an accelerating rate. But to confirm your biases, it's more convenient to blow this one thing completely out of proportion

I doubt this. Lithium exploitation is not that harmful and battery recycling is obvious for car batteries. Also the energy should be solar, water, wind and nuclear. Fuck Gas Fuck Oil Fuck Coal. Atleast we in Europe should be as independent as possible, I can not wait to see the middle east going down the drain once oil has no value.

Here is another one:
Spanish posters are consistently fucking trash

That website quotes the "97%" number, i.e. 76 or 79 cherry-picked scientists, as if it represents some significant segment of the scientific community. Into the trash.

>Electric Car

So everyone can now drive a VBIED

That's not an ad hominem

I don't think you know what an ad hominem is

What you're doing is what in the industry we call "Not an argument"

The website analyzes both sides of the argument and even admits to some of the fallacies within certain aspects of climate change. Nonetheless it entirely objectively analyzes everything and verifies what is essentially a fact at this point.

...

1 error does not make an error loaded model especially when you look at the countless other literature that doesn't have any of these errors.

No laws or regulations were implemented on this error.

This error was even an overestimation of glacial retreat. That doesn't mean it isn't happening just isn't happening as quickly. The IPCC has also made errors of underestimating in the past too, of course you wouldn't mention that as it doesn't fit your narrative.

If you see a black swan do you start believing that white swans are a hoax?

Ad hominem is an attack against the person making an argument instead of opposing the argument itself. When you say of the person that they clearly do not understand science without addressing any specific issues with their argument, you are committing a textbook example of ad hominem.

1 Error shows that there is a chance for other errors.

And considering how shit the computer models are at predicting anything from the weather to rainfall in a few months. I wouldn't trust them, especially to the extent of formulating laws and taxes and government spending.

>76 or 79 cherypicked scientists

An utterly ridiculous number that you made up. The 97% is a result of a meta-analysis of thousands upon thousands of papers analyzing AGW you utter fucking retard

>as if it represents some significant segment

It does you dumbass

>Into the trash

Wow, that's so reasonable. You dismiss everyting from the website based on your idiotic fabricated misinterpretation of something you clearly didn't remotely investigate. You literally have the reasoning of a 14 year old feminist

>instead of opposing the argument itself

Something you and only you have done

>without addressing any specific issues

Like not understanding how data analysis works? It's hard to even specifically pinpoint something when your criticism is so vague, non-specific, and basically non-existent, reliant upon some Youtube video from an actual paid shill

Scientists are always looking for more grants/money, so they make up a bunch of nonsense to "study" and keep getting said grants.

>Lithium exploitation is not that harmful

kek, how about doing some research. Not only does the lithium salt mining takes huge area of land, making not much different from any other from of strip mine,.
Also to make lithium usable from the salt form, it is done by electrolysis, which take a shit ton of energy.

You are just falling for another jew.

>The only issue was that they predicted it could disappear

They also predicted the avg. temperature would already have been raised by over 1.5°C avg.

Can you actually link to the study so we can check if it's a proper meta analysis.

There's more money on the AGW side, do your argument is worthless.

uhh, what?

>humans create heavy industry
>emit shitloads of hot gas into the atmosphere from burning a fucking massive ton of oil, gas and fuel
>hurr durr how could this possibly affect the earth's climate??

Seriously? It's common sense.

When did you realize you're an uneducated, unsophisticated mouth-breathing cretin?

Get a load of this guy
>Implying the production of electric cars and their batteries is better for the enviroment
>Implying that electric cars are magically environmentally friendly despite getting their energy from the nearest power plant.
Europe is nowhere near energy independent and in fact are becoming more dependent on U.S. and Canadian wood stores each year.
As far as I understand the IPCC has been shady in a few areas. Such as continually publishing falsified data in subsequent reports and the denial of studies that don't fit their narrative e.g. Soil samples from the ocean that don't correlate with temperature models, and studies that show that solar cycles have more than a marginal impact on Earth's climate.

>In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered “risen” to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2.
ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/legacy/testfolder/aa-migration-to-be-deleted/assets-delete-me/documents-delete-me/ssi-delete-me/ssi/DoranEOS09.pdf

It's right there in the study being quoted, spelled out in plain English. The people conducting the study first narrowed down the thousands of scientists questioned to those who define themselves primarily as climate change scientists, then further narrowed it to those who predominantly publish papers on climate change. As a result, they had a group of 79 climate change activists who were virtually guaranteed to give the desired responses.

Let's see who is to benefit from AGW:

Governments
Green Energy faggots
Misanthropists
Commies
Leftists

Who is to benefit from AGW not being pushed:
Oil companies
Gas companies
Coal companies

Can you not see a difference in power, scope and other such things. In fact Big Oil might benefit from AGW as it might increase oil prices since they have been plummeting.

See

So what ? Still better than the alternative. Fucking OIL and Gas is the JEW. Arabs/Jews/Russians controlling it. But you rather stay dependant you stupid shortsighted faggot.

Lithium we do not need others to do it we can do it ourselfs.

I do believe most of the people advocating for it are full of shit and the science behind their numbers is flimsy at best.
Still I also believe we should be wary of pollution, if only to preserve our own survival.
Unfortunately the morons who calls for an ice age every 5 years aren't exactly making it easy for people to take the issue seriously.

>data analysis
>rewriting historical temperature records to continuously lower temperatures the further back in time we look with no given justification
How about instead of using ad hominem, you address what justification climate change scientists have for claiming temperatures in the early 1900s were ~1C lower than what actual recordings show, and why it is that every few years they revise temperatures from the early 1900s lower and lower.

That's literally not an argument. You're dismissing the mountain of evidence in favor of complete absence, ignoring the enormous amount of money spent into climate denial for such a small minority of people because liberals

YOUR argument is utterly worthless

>It's not an argument

If it's not an argument then at least it's an observation.

Are you claiming that the Governments, as well as other parties involved benefit from AGW, and that they have more power, influence and resources than their opponents. And are you denying it's relevancy?

Does it matter if climate change is real or even man made?

>buying energy from third-world shit holes where everybody hates us
>supporting goverments in Russia, SA, Iran, etc

We could just be doing it all ourselves without pollution, but you faggots think we have to mine coal to make america great again. Fucking kill yourselves brainlets.

This is you actually cherrypicking one part of a particular survey

Not the entire study itself.

>as a result

This is another of your fabricated misinterpretations

It is real
Stop believeing everything oil companies say

Fossil fuel industries have billions and a plethora of resources

Your only argument is some invalid conspiracy theory to argue the abundance of evidence versus non-evidence and fossil fuel industry backing

You either admit that your skepticism is grounded in noting objective or that you're 100% hypocritical

Not an argument

>. Arabs/Jews/Russians controlling it

Guess who is controlling the companies who mine lithium?
Australian ones are owned by american jews, south american ones are also privatized and the other big players are the chinks.

Again you are just replacing the arabs/jews/russians, with jews/southamericans/chinks

I have believed it was a hoax for awhile but have given up debating it. Its more interesting to hear liberals explain solutions when 2 billion africans are getting natural gas over the coming decades

Based burger and brit bros btfo'ing full blown morons itt with calm manners and basic logic and science.
How can deniers be so stupid?

When I looked at the LONG TERM chart of warming.
We are still very, very much below the Roman Warming.

>the climate has undergone huge changes before, therefore it's alright durr.

You know what followed these huge climate changes ? Mass extinctions

The 97% figure comes directly from this cherry-picked group of 79 scientists. The "97%" claim is what was in dispute. I have proven that it was not 97% of thousands of scientists or meta-analysis. It was 97% of 79 scientists.

Now you're trying to deflect attention to something else.

I've provided all of the information necessary for anyone interested to see the holes in man made climate change arguments. Does it disprove the theory? Of course not. Does it highlight factual problems with arguments advocating the theory? Yes.

Responding to someone obviously not interested in facts no longer serves a purpose.

Are you claiming that fossil fuel industries outweigh the power and influence of world governments?

>Your only argument is some invalid conspiracy theory to argue the abundance of evidence versus non-evidence and fossil fuel industry backing

What evidence?

The climate is changing because we think so and we are blaming it on a minute part of the atmosphere.

Are you being retarded on purpose or what?

>You either admit that your skepticism is grounded in noting objective or that you're 100% hypocritical

You don't know the source of my skepticism, because I never stated it. Stop being a better than thou, all mighty, all uppity cunt and maybe then people would take you seriously.

>Spörer minimum :DDDDDDDDDDD

I disagree on the reasons given for it, as well as nearly all of the "solutions" to it.

The reason the climate is changing is there are 8 times the number of people on earth than there were 100 years ago, and the planet can't cope with that.

The solutions given seem to be "go back to the dark ages" which is bullshit. And good luck getting China to cut down on its industrialisation in the guise of environmentalism, that'll work out well.

Anything that claims to be a science that also becomes a staple on the political circuit is a hoax.

There is always a chance of error it would be odd if there were no errors. That is why science always deals in repeatable tests to account for errors like human error. The errors you find in climate science are in line with what you would expect as the norm for any science.

To prove climate change was a hoax you would need a lot more errors or to repeat the tests and show that multiple organisations and experiments were wrong and people would need to be able to repeat your experiments to make sure you were not wrong as well.

good. all these animals and plants and shit are getting a little too complacent imo. Hopefully we'll get a high score with this one and take the humans out.

fortune.com/2016/12/15/solar-electricity-energy-generation-cost-cheap/

>According to Bloomberg's analysis, the cost of solar power in China, India, Brazil and 55 other emerging market economies has dropped to about one third of its price in 2010. This means solar now pips wind as the cheapest form of renewable energy—but is also outperforming coal and gas.

>Solar is cheaper than coal and gas
>There's no need to build up as much infrastructure for solar like you do coal and gas
>Community battery storage and small power lines can supply poorer villages with power at lower prices
>Problem fucking solved

Rapid climate change is coming. It is not man made. The 'man made' meme is pushed to give you hope for the future, keep you complicit as the elite steal from you to plan for their own preservation while disregarding your safety, and cause you to welcome your fate when it arrives.

Have a redpill: youtube.com/watch?v=e_9VLNIYVFE