How has modern society been convinced that Abortion is morally justified?

> How is the torturous murder of an unborn human being ever justified?

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>muh cell clumps

it isnt, only marxist's believe aborting western usually white children is a good idea.

it's like you guys WANT whites to become the minority

I don't have a right to your gf's uterus and neither does a fetus

>How has how insane modern women are not justified abortion?

if the justification is 'my body my right' then why is abortion only allowed in the 1st trimester?

It's justifiable for eugenic purposes.

They changed what the unborn is called from human baby to fetus yet forgot to update the laws accordingly. If someone post-birth aborts a pregnant woman they get charged for double manslaughter, but the mother is allowed to pre-birth abort the baby without repercussion

>implying we cant limit minority birth by deporting the illegals, stopping welfare and putting an end to birth tourism
nigs wont have kids if they cant get a gubmintgibcheck and spics wont have kids if it doesnt mean they get to stay

statistically speaking the baby is much more likely to be a nigger than white.

that justifies it enough for me

Moral relativism.

>justified
It's not. It's entirely about selfishness and greed.

Almost all women who get abortions regret it tremendously unless they make a religion out of it. Most people who get abortions are either children who don't know any better or old spinsters who are sacrificing their children to moloch.

It's murder, but degenerates shouldn't breed anyway.

>It's entirely about selfishness and greed
>Bodily autonomy is selfish

>>Bodily autonomy is selfish
if its just about autonomy why aren't abortions allowed right up until childbirth?

It's not. It's Molech worshp. A proper sacrifice. And each and every woman who orders such will burn in hell for all eternity without the blessings of Jesus.

>free market eugenics

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No one should have a legal obligation to sacrifice ones body to sustain someone else's life. If the fetus has come to the point where it may sustain itself without requiring someone else's bodily rights be sacrificed then the mother has the obligation to support the child financially.

At the point right before birth abortion shouldn't be allowed, at that point your killing something which doesn't require that you sacrifice the rights your uterus in order for it to live.

Would you rather sacrifice a rape baby to the eternal beyond, or to a torturous life of terrible parenting, lack of strong identity, and almost certain degeneracy?

If you think you don't have a DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to your OFFSPRING, you're either retarded, or you KNOW that you DO have such DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES and you're being selfish and greedy by killing your offspring.

They aren't offspring until they're born.

>If you think you don't have a DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to your OFFSPRING
I do, but the role of the government isn't to enforce what I believe everyone should be like

>idon'tunderstandbiologyorlifecyclesatall.jpg

Wew lad.

You have a duty as a human being and parent to care for your offspring. This is non-negotiable.

>At the point right before birth abortion shouldn't be allowed, at that point your killing something which doesn't require that you sacrifice the rights your uterus in order for it to live.
it's not clear to me where the cutoff mark should be based on this argument. shouldn't you be able to abort right up to the middle of the 2nd trimester since there's 0% chance of survival?

>You have a duty as a human being and parent to care for your offspring
Alright but that doesn't mean that a fetus should be able to have the right to someones uterus if it isn't consented to by the owner of the uterus

It would be different from case to case. The point at which a fetus may be sustained outside the mother is the point at which it shouldn't be able to be aborted

> shouldn't you be able to abort right up to the middle of the 2nd trimester since there's 0% chance of survival?
Yeah sure

everyone knows it's wrong,op

The problem is women can do no wrong, so everyone is just kinda confused.

>Alright but that doesn't mean that a fetus should be able to have the right to someones uterus if it isn't consented to by the owner of the uterus

It's not even about the rights of the fetus, it's about the duty and responsibility of the mother to care for her offspring. Abortion is murder. Period.

Bad Selfeater?

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Because nobody cares about a stupid fetus aside from retards.

Because human life has no value.

If Roe v. Wade never happened, this country would be nearly 25% black today. But it is 13%

Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a dedicated Eugenics supporter. While modern cuckservatives love Mexican immigrants, 'progressive' Sanger believed that immigration should be limited to only Northern Europeans and that those unfit to procreate should be sterilized.

Sanger described blacks as 'barely better than Chimpanzees' as she worked hand in hand with black ministers to distribute birth control to their congregations.

Planned Parenthood is the #1 killer of blacks in the USA and worldwide is second only to AIDS and Malaria. They kill hundreds of future Mike Browns every day.

Any candidate who opposes planned parenthood or abortion is a cuckservative.

All of the Christian conservatives are cucks.

Do you realize how many more niggers there would be without abortions?

The "why the fuck do people care about the death of some celebrity they didn't even know" thread

This. Removing financial barriers for those we want to reproduce and adding them for those we don't will quickly tip the scales

I'm convinced a lot of trouble is caused by cultural (((change))), but a large part is also just financial and, surprise, non-whites care less about financial stability

>Skywalker that doesn't need a lightsaber

The lightsaber isn't a crutch, it is the weapon of a master. The blaster is Luke's first weapon. It is easier to use. The lightsaber in the hands of the untrained is practically useless. Someone with a blaster will just shoot you.

When Luke stopped carrying his blaster and relied entirely on his lightsaber and The Force is when he became a Jedi knight.

>It's not even about the rights of the fetus
It's exactly about that. If the fetus has the same rights as all other children why does it then also have an inalienable right to someone else's body?

Jews always go after the women first because they're easier to convince about anything.
Then the men go along with it mostly since they want sex.

But if we have the intelligence to know we were all fetuses once, is that not grounds for compassion?

> actually wants white supremacy.
Sup Forums is satire 90% of the time. Abortion, immigration and economics are the only viable discussions here. And the death of a thousand niggers doesn't justify the death of a future white man, when he is weak and tiny.

No, it's not about that. That's like saying that a child has a right to have parents, which is nonsense. Orphans exist and they don't have a right to force themselves on anybody and demand care and rearing.

It's about the responsibility a person has for reproducing and creating a human life. Once that human life is created (and it is created at conception, science agrees don't bother them about it), then the parents have an undeniable duty and responsibility to care for the child. The very minimum is not to kill the child, especially now that we live in a society that will care for children pretty much from day one (ie, drop your unwanted baby off at a fire station, no questions asked).

>That's like saying that a child has a right to have parents, which is nonsense
Exactly! So why does a fetus then have a right to someone else's fetus even if they don't consent?

For one, why the fuck would we want to legislate limiting access to abortion on the basis of mercy and the sanctity of human life when to do so would undermine any future attempts to bring back sterilization and euthanasia?

By their nature, Blacks won't stop fucking indiscriminately to avoid having children, even in the absence of gibs.

Whites will likely just get more diligent about birth control (blacks don't bother with it) so they would still end up not having as many children as blacks. Before we even think about outlawing or limiting abortion we need to focus on measures to increase incentives for whites to have children and create disincentives for blacks.

Whites don't have kids when they're surrounded by blacks and crime which would go up in the absence of abortion. If anything, abortion and birth control need to stay legal so it can be made readily available to the black community.

Honestly, if you feel abortion in its current state is too barbaric, you're better off just advocating for more humane methods.

The fetus doesn't have a right to the uterus.
The mother has a D U T Y not to kill her offspring, at the level of basic humanity.

Do you understand the concept of duty? Obligation, responsibility, things that you MUST do, that are REQUIRED of you?

Look if someone wants an abortion, whatever, but society needs to stop actively encouraging it.
It disgusts me there are liberals that are saying "hurr durr I haven't had an abortion but I wish I had one"
Having an abortion can permanently traumatize a young woman, knowing that she killed a potential child that she could have loved.
Women should be encouraged to have children and to love them, but society cares for no one and that is why we are collapsing

I cant understand why you guys dont support abortion, think about it this way.

With the exception of cases like rapes and retarded kids I support abortion because the women who are unwantedly getting pregnant are probably whores and sluts. Whores and sluts are usually liberal, and in being forced to raise said child, that child is very likely to be a liberal too, since their mother will most likely raise them alone and be forever assblasted towards conservatives for making her have this child thus pushing her autistic beliefs on the child who will in turn make more liberals.

>inb4 whites will become a minority argument
Id rather whites be a overwhelmingly conservative than the majority race as it would give us unity so we could then focus on retaking the country. The problem isnt that our population is decreasing, its that the amount of whites that are liberal shitheads.

>but society cares for no one and that is why we are collapsing

You know you can name the jew here, right?

I honestly fully support abortion because hey, sometimes accidents happen and contraception fails, and I believe its better to nip it in the bud, rather than force the mother to have the child, despite lacking the emotional, financial, and logistical needs to support a child, giving both the mum and baby a shit life.

You're right, we should give blacks money to reproduce and then just let them do it.

Think you moron. Why do you think so many intelligent people are pro-abortion? Who benefits the most from 50 million fewer black people in society?

Kek.

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The idea that you don't have to be held accountable for your actions is far more dangerous to society than floozies maybe raising liberal idiots. Also, if the mom is forced to be accountable then she will have to work. Steady employment is the factory of conservatism.

>implying you can't just leave your child at the hospital or a fire station no questions asked

Resources or lack thereof is no excuse for murder. Society bends over backwards to care for children when mothers are lazy.

>"Oh well if we stop X black babies and Y hispanic babies from being born I suppose it's worth the price of Z white babies"
Fuck off.

gotta keep the black population from getting out of control somehow and this is the most humane way possible

>Alright but that doesn't mean that a fetus should be able to have the right to someones uterus
The fuck? How does a growing baby not have the right to the ONE PLACE it can survive? The one place it was created in and the only place it can survive in? That's like saying you don't have a right to eat food.

No it's not. Deport or sterilize.

How fucked up are you that you consider murdering helpless babies is more humane than deportation?

>No one should have a legal obligation to sacrifice ones body
Having a child is not "sacrificing your body" you retard.

you still need to go through the physical and emotional toils of actually giving birth too, not even the labour but like, the 9months of crazy hormones and things.

and honestly say what you will but the baby probably cant feel anything, earth is overpopulated, keeps the functional members of society happy, so honestly, who is actually losing out with abortion?

yes it is? have you seen a woman go through that? its a massive toll phyiscally and mentally.

>If the fetus has the same rights as all other children why does it then also have an inalienable right to someone else's body?
The baby has no choice but to grow up in the mother's womb. That's why it has a right to develop in its mother.

youre not murdering shit, youre just preventing birth.

>torturous

You sure must hate factory farming then you fucking massive hypocrite

Abort yourself OP

>earth is overpopulated
No it isn't, and citation needed besides.

>yes it is?
No it isn't.

mass sterilization is more inhumane because it punishes those that otherwise wouldn't get pregnant

abortion is the prevention of life, not the end of it.

>sterilizing niggers is bad but butchering little kids' dicks is A-OK
sorry, no cucks allowed

Because society has largely become hedonistic, and thus the purpose of life is to maximize pleasure and minimize pain for them. One aspect of that is sleeping around for the fun of it and (trying to) obliterate the consequences of that which they don't like.

Sadly, it turns out most people are horrible human beings, who care more about looking like they are good, rather than actually being good.

>but the baby probably cant feel anything, earth is overpopulated

Neither is true, retard. How can you be so selfish and greedy and lazy?

It's murder. Period.

Think for just one second. If they weren't going to get pregnant anyway, how is sterilization a punishment in literally any way?

>>abortion is the prevention of life, not the end of it.


thank you, i agree with this, but how can i back this up when asked for evidence?

>abortion is the prevention of life, not the end of it.

I missed this little gem of stupidity. Life begins at conception, that's basic biology, and abortion is murder.

Not OP, but I hate factory farming and abortion
Now what?

It's murder. Period.
How? you cant just say it is and make it true, prove me wrong dont just dismiss me.

>Life begins at conception, that's basic biology, and abortion is murder.


you say these things but dont prove them

>don't want one, don't have one.
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It's pretty obvious when you look at what happens. For one, that's when your DNA originates. At no time before that is your DNA present anywhere in the history of the world. For another thing, you can trace back the history of your body in a single unique line back to conception, at which point you can trace it back no further, because it diverges and follows separate paths with the two haploids.

It seems that most neurotypical humans like to have coitus for purely recreational purposes, and if conception does occur, they simply kill the fetus and continue on with their hedonistic sexually liberal degenerate lifestyles.

okay but, how does that make abortion any less ethical?

>keK

I think is because of the oversexualization of our society.

People see now sex as just that, sex. A form of convivence, they don't see it as the process which animals, including humans, reproduce, as it should be.

The normalization pornography, prostitution and LGBT causes, is also part of the same problem.

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sex is fun though, and with contraception being very easily acessable, why not have it a ton?

>Alright but that doesn't mean that a fetus should be able to have the right to someones uterus if it isn't consented to by the owner of the uterus
Sex is consent; the only excuse is rape.

A fetus is a living thing, this cannot be argued,it also has human DNA and can be called a developing child, the process to stop this development includes such actions as dismemberment or lethal injection to facilitate "induced fetal demise" to kill the living being that for one reason or another is not recognized as a human or a child but a living creature that fulfills those requirements, so how is it ethical?

>you are only a person once you are pulled out of the vagina

fuck off liberal retard

Sex is fun because if it wasn't that way humans wouldn't be that encouraged to reproduce. But we should understand that we are not beasts that are only impulsed by their most basic insticts. Not because we see a pussy we should go and fuck it.

We, as superior beigns, we should know that our acts have consecuenses.

Literal retards who are supported by my tax dollars their whole lives should all be aborted. It's just good fiscal conservatism

Candy tastes good though, with toothpaste being very easily acessable, why not eat it a ton?

>Life begins at conception, that's basic biology, and abortion is murder.
this is semantics. Life is technically extant in the spermatazoa

I think life begins when the human form has been coalesced in the womb. If the mother wants to rid herself of unneccessary clumps of cells that is her prerogative.

because it doesnt DO shit, abortions i assume would be done as painlessly as possible because i dont imagine its a pleasant experience for anyone involved, but sometimes is a necessary evil, and i fully believe that nobody but the pregnant woman should be at liberty to make this choice.

And I think life begins at conception. If a mother wants to rid herself of unneccessary clumps of cells too bad, she should be hanged for doing so.

>i dont have sex this makes me better than you for some reason

you do not have an argument

Woman's rights started it all,after we gave them pretty much all rights it was easy to push the idea that they mattered more than the fetus.Universal suffrage is a terrible mistake

thats not the same thing, candy will fuck your teeth up regardless, yet safe, consentual sex more or less always results in an inconcequential fun time.

>because it doesnt DO shit
Explain, you're very vague here.

I don't care if they're painless and I don't see them as necessary either and as far as I'm concerned no one should have the choice.

It's basically a primitive form of getting high, and instead of rotting your teeth it rots your morals.

>Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a dedicated Eugenics supporter. While modern cuckservatives love Mexican immigrants, 'progressive' Sanger believed that immigration should be limited to only Northern Europeans and that those unfit to procreate should be sterilized.
I would support her because I don't want a great percentage of non-white / non-Europeans into the United States, but it would be hypocritical if I did because I'm Southern European and she specifically stated that "the Latin people are like weeds" thus wanted them to be sterilized.

I've asked this question before, but I never got a response.

If abortion is murder, wouldn't that make having a miscarriage involuntary manslaughter?

It's horrible, but let's say you fucked a nice grill and she becomes pregnant.

What do?