Is Ancap the Jewiest ideology? Ayn Rand objected to collectivism...

Is Ancap the Jewiest ideology? Ayn Rand objected to collectivism, but Jews are some of the most collectivistic and tribal...having the goy accept things like Ancap literally weakens them just as much as Marxism.

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Ayn only did it for the boy toys

>Ayn Rand
>Ludwig von Mises
>Hayek
>Ancap
hol up

Literally required reading for Ancaps.

True but they are not ancaps, (you can skip Ayn Rand though)

it's the product of jewish atheism just like communism.

Their ideas are the ideological basis for anarcho capitalism and tons of ancaps promote them.

How the fuck can you say they are not ancaps? This seriously feels like a no true scotsman fallacy here.

Look, the fact is, anarcho capitalism is a way to fuck over the masses while unscrupulous and immoral actors take advantage of all the idiots obeying the NAP. It was never designed with ANY consideration for social cohesion or order in mind. It is basically GREED: THE IDEOLOGY, and it aped on the libertarian name for promotion without that pesky 'anarchy' bit at the front, which only served to completely fuck over the libertarian ideology, which now is automatically equated with being exactly the same thing as anarcho capitalism.

Ancaps are nothing more than promoters of jewish interests; exploitation of the masses and unrestricted greed.

It is literally the equivalent of economic anarchy in exactly the same way that regular anarchy is in the political spectrum, and it ends up EXACTLY the same way - robber barons and monopolies and new fiefdoms and warlords.

The main thing that truly puts me off about Ancap and Libertarianism is that they openly justify usury/compound interests...which *always* leads to a central bank with a monopoly on fiat currency.

Objectivist ethics are an important influence on libertarianism, it covers the morality of capitalism, just don't read her novels and go straight to her nonfiction works, which are waaay shorter and explicit. (The Virtue of Selfishness)

>which *always* leads to a central bank with a monopoly on fiat currency.
Not true.

>GREED: THE IDEOLOGY
Every ideology is greedy. Some make it less obvious than others but they all serve the interests of a certain group.

>How the fuck can you say they are not ancaps?
They wanted a state. Hayek is a very reasonable guy and not even close to ancap. The ancap guy is Murray Rothbard is he's not even in the image

> he's not even in the image
Nevermind I'm retarded

He is in the image.

>free market
>exploitation
>monopolies
you are economically illiterate

educate yourself

>Every ideology is greedy. Some make it less obvious than others but they all serve the interests of a certain group.

You don't seem to understand what I said.

Let me use a comparison:
Anarcho-capitalism is the ideology of greed in the same way liberalism/social justice is the ideology of naivete and hypocrisy

You are all a bunch of retards for saying people like Rothbard, Hoppe or Ron Paul are pro-degeneracy and pro-leftism. AnCap is the ultimate expression of Darwin natural selection. Free markets where you have to produce something valuable in order to succeed, unlike in a welfare state where you need only be a NEET parasite to survive off the productive populace. Maybe that's why so many of you guys dislike libertarianism in general, it'd force you to work for a living.

Read Hoppe's books you fucking morons.

>inb4 open borders
See pic related before you start with that shit

Free market's don't appear like magic and they don't persist like magic. They require certain conditions to exist, and interested parties who want to maximize their profit - to the detriment of everyone else - are both enemies of a free market, and the product of a free market.

Seriously, get a fucking clue and stop parroting buzzwords. Your precious free market 'paradoxically' requires rule of law and regulation to exist and without them - with an anarchic system, you get monopolies and warlords, not competition. You weed-addled moron.

Free markets arise spontaneously and out of the necessities of the people who partake in market exchange. Ever since tribalism died humans have realized it's better to cooperate and trade (even from a distance) than indiscriminate killing. You are the one who should be educated. Retard.

>Free markets arise spontaneously
No, they don't.

>muh scary page numbers!
>muh limited attention span!
Pussy

How stupid are you?

You're wasting time arguing with a fucking leaf. It's legitimate, non-meme autism to start bashing your head against a wall trying to convince people who will, unconditionally, never agree with you.

>for thee and not for me

What you actually mean is ancaps want more money. Yeah, you're right but in the exact same way socialism is a wish for more money for those who now have less than they would in a socialist state. SJW progressivism is also just a wish for more power but it's mostly related to morality and attention.

You're right about that one, Burger. No point in arguing with retards. I'll use this thread to red pill the masses with Hoppe.

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Literally none of these people are ancaps. All of them realize the need for police and courts of law in a capitalist society. Hell, even in Ayn Rand's capitalist utopia "Galt's Gulch", Judge Narragansett was charged with arbitrating disputes.

It also helps that I'm correct and he is wrong.

Anarcho capitalism isn't about creating free markets, it's about exploiting pre-existing free markets to the fullest extent possible for the benefit of whichever groups can manipulate the masses the best.

We basically live in an anarcho-capitalist world already. Where people are seen as nothing more than commodities to be exchanged, where the idea of spiritual enlightenment and morality are dismissed in favor of atheism. Where the only thing that matters is how much fucking money you have.

It's a blight in the world and needs to be destroyed.

Ancaps can't even disassociate the concept of a free market from anarchocapitalism itself. It's amazing - if the free market exists it must be due to anarcho-capitalism. If anarcho-capitalism does not exist, there is no free market.

Ridiculous mental gymnastics used by promoters of the most jewish ideology in existence.

This is a bait thread. Stop responding to bait you dumb niggers.

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Really? Free markets don't occur naturally?

Free markets are actually the natural state of man. Ask any drug dealer. Just because you make laws doesn't mean you can completely kill supply, demand, or the exchange of a good.

>You have violated the NAP, prepare to die
what did he mean by this?

I would argue communism is more greedy. At least in ancap you have to produce some kind of product, the profits of which are affected by other's voluntary willingness to buy it. In communist countries you either buy state goods with no quality control or get shot.

Not even an ancap, btw.

>exploit
>how to spot a marxist

>we basically live in an anarcho-capitalist world already.
>muh morality
You're still free to be a moralfag like you seem to be leaf.

The main point is, in our current system if you have the government as your friend (read: corruption) you simply can never fail as a big company since the government can bail you out to "prevent unemployment" and as a result shitty companies are allowed to exist and to keep operating. In an system with less government interference (not only ancap) shitty companies fail and only those doing a good job stay in the market.

This. Brazilbro is right.

Also, we need to stop with the Ayn Rand = jew meme.

She disavowed everything that was Jewish.

>atheist
>anti-Federal Reserve
>anti mindeless indulgence and over consumption
>married an Irish guy
>radical individualist that couldn't give two shits about the collective or "muh multiculturalism"

Yes, in an interview later in life, she sided with Israel over mudslimes, but if you listen to her words, you'd realize that has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with merit. She actually goes full Sup Forums in some regard, insinuating civilization should always take preference over savages (do we not say the same about Africa?)

>to the detriment of everyone else

Not true. It's in one's interest to be appealing to consumers and to convince people to buy their products, fuck off.

you realize hayek is nothing close to an Ancap. I've just started his book the Road to Serfdom but i've read some of his articles from his days at UOC.

He's against government planning(aka socialism/communism) but advocated for safety nets and international government (on a small scale). He wanted people to have a chance at prosperity and didn't want corruption and regulation to ruin those chances for people. Sup Forums would hate him for being super anti-national socialist.

He's literally the most sane person to walk earth. If anything he would be classified as a classical liberal. You can't go through to the university of Chicago with Frank Knight and Milton Friedman and expect to just go full retard.

So, please don't lump in your meme with Hayek.

>she sided with israel, it has nothing to do with Judaism
>she's literally a Jew

How can you be this retarded

She was pressed to pick between mudslimes and Israel. She sided with Israel. And she explicitly stated it was because they were the more civilized society and mudslimes are essentially savages.

In the end, she did not think highly of either, as she was a hardcore atheist.

>invents the Jewiest ideology of all time
>n-no stop saying she's a Jew

While Rand did not advocate sending American troops into the conflict, she did argue that America should “Give all the help possible to Israel.” She stated specifically that “the help Israel needs is technology and military weapons—and they need them desperately. Why should we help Israel?” She explained that at that time, Israel was “fighting not just the Arabs but Soviet Russia, who is sending the Arabs armaments.”

>she goes full Sup Forums and advocates sending money, weapons and technology to Israel cause my scary russia and arabs

Glad to see more and more of him recently in pol. He should be the role model for this board. There's nothing more red-pilled.

When discrimination is a possibility, and your welfare depends on being on good terms with your neighbors, you behave, and if not, free market brings segregation.

Finally someone who gets it

Ussually these threads are idiots spewing false fact and mis information about Ayn Rand

Next will be: she took social security

Based Monacobro. I love Hoppe. You being from a microstate understand how precious the right to discrimination is.

I dont see how, under an Ancap system any city or village is privately owned and thus they can exclude anyone and set their own moral standards, without interference by an outside government

Please tell me, why is this a bad thing?

Hoppe is who Sup Forums should praise
he is based as fuck

I honestly think virtually no one here actually read her books especially the fountainhead. People say she's all about greed when really she's all about respect for individualism, high achievement and the beauty that comes from creation and creativity. It's why she talked about architecture and trains so much, she thought it was very inspiring when people put their all into mechanical marvels

I'll admit, it's not one of her finer moments, and it was much later in life. But communists and religious terrorists represented the biggest evils in the world, according to her. And when the communists started giving the terrorists money and weapons, Israel was standing up to it, and she thought we should to.

There's also the big issue that what we knew then is not what we knew now. Information back then was distributed by a handful of Jew-run media outlets, all painting Israel as a perpetual victim and a "shining city on a hill" surrounded by savages There was no internet, no Sup Forums. No way to learn about all the lying and subversion Israel and Mossad were/are engaged in. If Rand knew what we knew, I bet she'd have told Israel to get fucked, or at least to "just fucking move already". Or you know, "shrug", as was the premise of her magnum opus.

This is either /u/RobinReborn or James Hughes, enemy of Objectivism.

Or maybe hakayek or some kinda name like that

really hope it's not sword_of_apollo

Yup. In fact, she stresses that we should find more happiness in productive achievement than in mindless indulgence. She promoted being productive over degeneracy.

She really should be /ourgal/

Well were starting to step into a grey area. I am not much for political philosophers. Their basis are usually weak and reading their thoughts usually ruins my thinking.

Sorry for being aggressive. I was annoyed that Hayek was brought into this mess.

>Is Ancap the Jewiest ideology
Yes, hell Ayn's "ideological" heir, whatever the fuck that means, Leonard Peikoff is, guess what?, Jewish.

Europe could use more Hoppe than Marx.

looks like bernie sanders from the thumbnail.

so to speak.

Would you rather:

>helicopter every hard communist
>deport every socialist

No worries. I'm also with you on Hayek. He has no business being drawn into the Ancap conversation. The guy was in no way shape or form an Ancap. He was, however, a genius. And his writings were very prescient. I recommend Road to Serfdom to every normie I know. It's an academic approach to red pilling. First, you get them to understand the evils of collectivism. Then they start to ask "why collectivism?" or "who is behind it?". And that's when you give them the fat red pill.

Deport the socialists because they're usually bigger in numbers and more appealing to the masses.

Agree with this.

You can tell whether an ideology is jewy because it always ALWAYS promotes atomization and "we are all the same lol" to the goyim so they can retain their tribal nepotistic special role in society.

The former.

Thank you based Hoppe!

Everyone should honestly read this book. I think a lot of you, who think that libertarianism is just about promoting degeneracy, would see why that's not the case.

Might as well post the book.

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Thanks for this. Adding it to my reading list.

You are definitely my favourite poster on this board, keep up the good work Portugalbro.

Thanks! That means a lot to me actually. Based Danebro. You are cordially invited to all future /pp/ - Portuguese Politics General.

Stay woke

It's ok to be exploited by big international companies and not to look after your own, goyim.

Literally Greed: The Ideology.

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Libertarianism is jewish philosophy.

Op is a cuck!

calm down leafm8, it's not like ancaps exist in the real world
I mean they do but we just call them sociopaths

So you go to /liberty/ by any chance? We could use some better posters.

No. Link me up senpai. Always up for a chat.

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It is a slow board with loads of shitposting but you can occasionally have some discussion.