Whoah...... so this....... is the power....... of the free market

whoah...... so this....... is the power....... of the free market...............

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> Implying Russia has ever had free markets or a rule of law based in a high culture and hasn't just always been a centralized authoritarian hellhole with no freedoms

*high-trust culture

>centralized authoritarian hellhole with no freedoms
sounds breddy gud desu
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>lolbertarians btfo
What else is new

>implying Russia doesnt have feee markets
Kek. Fuck off retard

Freedom (especially capitalism) is anti-conservative.

You are implying the graph shows what would have happened if the USSR was allowed to develop, but this makes no sense as the USSR collapsed because it was such a shitty government

>it works in my ideal world!
Hmmm where did we hear that before

The free market was designed for humans to use, not cave monsters.

Cuckbertarians are fucking pathetic but at least they arent anarcho-cuckpitalists. Anarcho-cuckpitalism is when market fundamentalism metastasizes into pure, unadulterated retardation

not all curves are lines.

means things don't progress linearly. are you actually going to use a linear equation to model a stochastic process? you're a fucking retard

when the first mcdonalds opened in the soviet union they had to put pad locks on the bathrooms because people would steal the toilet seats and toilet paper out of them

Nigger stfu. Thats bullshit

It wasn't real capitalism, it was oligarchical capitalism run by crime syndacates or crony capitalism for short.

This is because the people had no idea how a free market worked and nobody was there to show them. Ofc the economy pummeled

So it wasn't real capitalism, it was just the inevitable result of capitalism.

Considering that Government-aligned resource corporations owned primarily and managed heavily by the state are the primary source of Russian income it is not a free market state, any retard could identify that.
t. a Burger who isn't autistic to the point where he realizes that even states with heavy government spending like Norway and Sweden and Germany are free market capitalist states

>lose half of territory and most of people
>gdp falls
wew

It's gdp/capita.

The post soviet GDP does not include the former soviet republics? Just Russia? That's a sizable chunk removed?

add government collapses into chaos and /thread

I (((believe))) the GDP numbers from glorious USSR. Fuck off kike.

Don't you get it? Nothing is real capitalism.

Except when we want to say "muh iphones" in which case decades of direct taxpayer subsidization and state guided markets in the computing industry in the US and Chinese state directed manufacturing are "capitalism"

Transition from a state-planned economy to a market economy is quite hard. Especially since the private sector before the fall of URSS was practically inexistent. There weren't entrepenous since the population was comprised mostly of politicians or public employees.

>american

Because of people like you I stopped taking american posts seriously

soros crashed their economy back then, that's why he's banned from russia

Yeah dumbass the price for inflated shit reset. It was inveitable. Free market or not.

>Country was doing so well it failed

Yup, those (((international dollars))) were worth so much

>that growth level
>sustainable by any means

Now, if we want to talk about the benefits of the free market, we have to use countries with a strong tradition of respecting market institutions, such as the rule of law and private property.

Before communism, Russia was the leader in grain exports. Then Stalin collapsed grain production. It stabilized in the 1960s at a much lower level. Russia did not recover fully until a few years ago.

During the cold war the grain shortage was covered by imports. The imports were paid for by oil and gas exports.

Soviet population rose and almost completely urban. In the 1980s the price of oil dropped because of the Oil Glut. Grain production did not rise with the growing population. There wasn't enough oil money to buy grain.

Gorbachev tried to do the same economic reforms that China did. Reforms that made China the economic power it is today. Hardliners overthrew Gorbachev because they didn't want capitalism. Hardliners were overthrown, and those assholes were overthrown. Then Boris "two drink minimum" Yeltsin ends up in power with the help of the cia.

Oil Glut was caused in part by Jimmy Carter. Who deregulated domestic oil prices. Which lead to a huge increase in global production.

It's almost like economic growth synthesized by a currency-manipulating central authority isn't real?????????!??!??!!!!

Free market economy doesn't exist.

Those Soviet era statistics are quite trustworthy. Yeah, right.

>it's almost like the Soviet Union collapsed and regressed in size to Russian boarders

Holy shit! It's like the free market started actually representing the intrinsic value of the currency as well as the correction in the market to allow the proper facilitation of market action with in Russia.

Also point of note under new Keynesian economics that is the point (that deep drop) is when government should start investing in the economy to move and improve the economy as well. It is also a point when market forces, investors, would invest into the market because of a potential opportunity for profits of goods and services.

Moreover it is impossible to have consistant continuos growth without a counter reaction from the market, IE a market correction.

has there ever been an argument about economics on Sup Forums that wasnt completely fallacious? or an argument about ANYTHING? and people complain about the shitposting. fucking just

Bread lines and empty shelves were only in the late 80s.

Is this really comparing North and South Korea purely based on the market type?

>american reading comprehension
It doesn't says Russia, but "Former Soviet Union" - all countries are included. And it's gdp per capita.

No, it's conservative because conservativism is simply the preservation of Enlightenment ideology. You won't finda conservative before the Enlightenment (though you will find many traditionalists).

This. The collapse came, and then the free market. Not the other way around.

>Economy collapses because you can only lie for so long
>Communist dictatorship is forced to come to an end
>"This is capitalism's fault."

lol this is literal bullshit.

hope this clarifies

>lose
More like told them to fuck off desu senpai.
Out of 15 Soviet republics only Belarus, Ukraine and the RSFSR weren't leeching off dotations from the national budget.

amazing graph

There are other examples, like Western Europe vs Eastern Europe.

>us
You mean, those of us that can afford it.

>famine in the Ukraine resulting in millions of deaths doesn't count

>private sector before the fall of URSS was practically inexistent. There weren't entrepenous since the population was comprised mostly of politicians or public employees
Based pizza. That's probably the answer to it.

This.
The collapse is a direct and inevitable result of any socialist/communist system.

No because most people who shit post here do not hold economic degrees. The closest is Obamaleaf but he does not post credibility backing his claims then he just strawmans and ad homs.

Even in subsaharan Africa. Botswana was one of the few countries that didn't go "muh revolution" after it became independent. They have been governed by a center-right party since de 60s and were by far the fastest growing African country of the late 20th century. Meanwhile in Zimbabwe you had an anti-white revolutionary dictator.

There's only socialism anywhere, it just more or less intrusive to the economy, more or less extractive for everyone's pockets, but at the end of the day it's still socialism even when there's a "right" wing party.

Economic growth always look great at the top of the bubble. If you don't understand credit expansions, you're gona lose systematically, and eventually everything.

When monetary system collapses there will happen a global wealth transfer to lolbertarians that made good choices to store value.

Damn the future is bright.

No country collapses for a single reason.

and by 2008, GDP was at an all time high

This happened because a lot of the businesses in the USSR were able to keep running because they were propped up by the government and we're dependant of its support. Without its support the businesses failed.

It's like the Soviet figures were misled... somehow...

The USSR didn't collapse. It was merely dissolved. The Russian economy collapsed because Boris Yelsin (who was elected due to Bill Clinton meddling in the Russian elections, look it up) completely sold out to globalists and oligarchs. He then had to resign in disgrace and let Putin take over because the entire country was literally about to break out the guillotines .

Those little boxes are just strawmen.
This tries to graph poverty with just one indicator. That alone is a mistake. Not to mention that "economic freedom" is a meme-tier measurement,

>country collapses
>expects it to not hurt russia's economy

>t.Fox News

Doubt
Source?

>user hasn't heard of Thomas Sankara

In terms of literacy, healthcare, employment and all other kinds of HDI measures, Burkina-Faso sky-rocketed under Thomas Sankara. A Marxist revolutionary.

which was 20 years later

I never said that a market economy is the ONLY factor that helps an economy grow. But it is clearly an important factor.

youtube.com/watch?v=amx-JHhtsHw

Fucking /leftypollsmoker/ fag.

Problem is, he stayed in power for just 4 year. So it is hard to guess the long-term result of his policies. But he was indeed kind of different from other revolutionaries in Subsaharan Africa during that time.

Of course not. That was intentional.

>I don't know what a market correction is
>Why can't we just have everything be a bubble?

go back to /leftypol/

the power to grow the economy of a country after the failure of the shitty system that proceeded it? yes that is the power of the free market.

lm not sure if it's true, but it seems to be talking about all former soviet countries not just russia you tard

but muh inequality!

I hold an economics degree. that doesn't stop me from shitposting even about economic issues. I think even the most retarded person realizes a free market economy is superior to a planned economy at this point.

Planned economies might work better over a short period of time while countries are developing, but after that they just flounder. Then you have to deal with the ramifications of having a planned economy in the first place.