What will really happen to the parties over the next 4-8 years?

What will really happen to the parties over the next 4-8 years?

It seems like we may be witnessing another epic shift

The Democrats trying to support extremist left ideals while also propping up a neo-con like Hillary and purging anyone who didn't toe the line.. seems as though there is going to be a massive fracture in the party and giving Republicans a great way to secure elections for years

Republicans, thanks to Trump, could see themselves having more candidates which are center-left. They could easily use this to snatch up millions of Democrat voters who are alienated from this past election.

Are we going to see another Southern Strategy type of situation, where Republicans attempt to gain support from the non-extremist liberals who skipped out on this past election? Will the Republicans take this chance to go back to where they belong at the center left?

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>The Democrats trying to support extremist leftist ideals

What, exactly, would those be? Or are you using Sup Forums's definition of leftist as "anything to the left of Pinochet"

I think we are going to see WA and OR go Blue for the first time in a long time. By allowing the right to openly tolerate fags, the mountain men up there have more voice than the queers. Most of the libs have their man ass and edibles to eat so the majority of the state may actually take over now that those two faggoty issues are laid to rest.

Pun intended.

we could be seeing the death of the democratic party

whether or not it actually happens depends on whether or not they learn from their mistakes

so far, it's not looking to good for them

I see the Republicans going full retard, privatize medicare and medicare and start a war with Iran and Russia. Not sure about Democrats

Democrats are far right

tf no. What? How?

Bernie and Warren are extreme left progressives. Fuck off commie.

>ohio is blue
lol ok

2008 is old

The ivory towers will burn from the inside.

Democrats policies such as indefinite detention, drones, war, welfare, etc. would make it further to the right of any """""far right""""' wing party in Europe

I don't see Republicans or Democrats surviving the 21st century. Both parties are hated and Trump is gonna go full retard and go down as the worst president ever.

>Bernie and Warren are extreme left progressives. Fuck off commie.

Lol

You don't know what the term left or porgressive means.

>2008 is old

2012

>assuming trump will fail
I see you haven't learned from your mistakes

>they aren't Castro-tier, so they aren't true leftists

Democratic party is shattered
They'll tear themselves apart removing whites from positions of authority
Republican party was battered like a 1950's housewife, hard to say what they'll do post trump

old

>I see you haven't learned from your mistakes

Still defending Trump after seeing his billionaire cabinet?

>Democratic party is shattered

I heard this in 2004 and Republicans in 2008.

This time is different, they're blaming white people as a whole and trying to remove them from the democratic party

>rich people are ebil

Right now the Republican party is the strongest they've been since like 1920.

Trump is not though, which is part of my point. We can see a shift toward the left thanks to Trump.

WA resident here.. I'd love to see this state go red but it's simply not a possibility.

Do you even know what leftism is? Because it doesn't seem like you do.

Leftists /= progressive liberals

Exactly this

You're not progressive until you've accidentally genocided a group of people

nice strawman argument

please continue to assume you will come back in 2020 and win without changing anything

go ahead, i'd fucking love it if you Democrats could not change your strategy at all

>Democrats policies such as indefinite detention, drones, war, welfare, etc. would make it further to the right of any """""far right""""' wing party in Europe

Good point. Really the question is how aligned are left/right with liberal/conservatives and authoritarians/libertarians

>Right now the Republican party is the strongest they've been since like 1920.

Not because it's "popular", because it cheats. Look up Greg Palast.

Look at it's approval rating. It's universally hated.

1. Neocons like hillary clearly failed the dems. Dems need to refocus on populism and a progressive agenda. Elitism didn't help them.
2. Through gerrymandering, demographic playmaking and all that, republicans have locked in congress for a long, long time. This is a bad thing.
3. Republicans have 3 irrationalities, one needs to be addressed and removed if they stand any chance of getting moderate dems:
>stop being scared of brown people
>stop humping your bible
>stop hoarding money
Hoarding money stays. Brown people is gonna stay, Trump abandoned bible humping and republican christians just went "well I don't like the man and he's not very Christian, but he's better than hillary", so this is proof the religious part can easily budge and that's how to get moderate dems.

But Pence was a terrible pick if that was the case.

Give me a definition smartass. Just because they aren't technically commies does not mean that they are not considered leftist in US politics.

>Trump is not though,

Trump is far far right off the spectrum. He's the only world leader in world history to deny the science of climate change.

>democrats BTFO everywhere
>waaah you evil right-wingers are cheaters
okay buddy

>nice strawman argument

It's not a strawman faggot if it's his actual cabinet and transition team.

I see people on here say Democrats shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Lurk more

How long you been here?

>Fix three things by choice. We're forcing you to do the first two so the last one is your only choice.

Idiot. Bible and money are the nonnegotiables. That's why race was such a huge player this time. Stop making those things under threat and you'll see a decrease in unblackening.

Uhm. Bush? All the Bushes? Every world leader prior 1960?

> if I say it, it's twwoooo

Fuck the left
Fuck the far left
fuck the center left
Fucking commie faggots

Yeah, illegal aliens shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I think the shift is nearly over. The Democratic Party has pretty much become the party for poor minorities and rich whites, while the Republicans have become an all-general white party. Notice how most of the neoconservative and Wall Street fags backed Clinton, not Trump.

rall.com/comic/leftists-versus-liberals

counterpunch.org/2006/04/27/why-leftists-mistrust-liberals/

Actual communists fucking hate mainstream Social Democrats like Sanders and Warren. They see them as reformists who are okay with trying to 'fix' capitalism rather than changing the entire system.

Not sure but we are certainly in the midst of a massive political shift

Democrats thwbshift was left with obama but it wasn't obama, trump is the shift

>Alaska is smaller than Texas
kek

But thats a strawman comic user. I supported him, didnt vote because Chicago, and Im quite upset at the swamp cabinet. Youre strawmaning because there are plenty of Trump supporters upset with the cabinet

strawman means we are talking about 1 thing, and they in response to my point you talk about something different

that's exactly what you did

Okay, so you're basically a commie and anyone who isn't as crazy as you isn't a "true leftist." Whatever. By USA standards, Liz and Bernie are far left.

>your reading comprehension
I'm saying money and brown people are the nonnegotiables. The one thing Trump can't do or else he'll alienate his base is back down on his immigration stance. He could shoot somebody on the street just because and they'd support him. The money thing is literally the core of the party, Christianity is a fucking stick in the mud. A scourge, but what I'm saying is it's passable. This time around christians were more scared of brown people than the President being a good Christian. They're the pillar that can back down and crumble and take the damage

>Yeah, illegal aliens shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Yeah sure it's """illegals""""". That's why they talk about New York and California not being allowed to vote and not Texas.

Republicans have a wonderful opportunity to grab supporters that traditionally vote Democrat during Trump's term, but I'm pretty sure they're going to fuck it up and let the Dems back into power because Republicunts are awful as well and all we'll be talking about for the next four years is abortion.

All of the things you said not to do are things we should do. If Republicans want to get libshits on their side they should start pushing a green agenda, that gets the libs dicks hard.

The feeling is mutual, left-liberals feel no great love for leftists.

I see a great reversal. The GOP becomes the working class party and the Democrats become the party of the wealthy elite. Schumer said so himself:
“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

As a white racist Republican how do you feel your candidate is a kike puppet?

kek
And if they try to appeal to the white working class, minorities will see it as treason.
They're still blaming the Russians too.
It's pretty funny. They seem kind of fucked to me too.
Especially considering that Trump will probably make things better. Common sense protectionism does work. Everyone understands (hopefully) that a surplus of labor is bad for workers. People will start seeing the democrats as the fraud that they are.

>Republicans have a wonderful opportunity to grab supporters that traditionally vote Democrat during Trump's term,

Yeah they will do it with Goldman Sachs shills! That will do it!

>Liz and Bernie are far left

No, no, they really aren't, but you seem very intent on calling everyone you disagree with a communist, so carry on, I guess.

The Democrats will be forced to go though the same type of soul searching the Republicans had to when the Tea Party emerged in response to it's own corrupt neo-con shill, i.e. Bush Jr.

Now that Hillary is BTFO, occupy will unfortunately set the direction for the party's rebirth, as commies.

We will have a right authoritarian party vs a left authoritarian party, and Jews everywhere will be pleased.

Wealthy people are harder to pay off because the price tag is higher

If Donald Trump is even a slightly successful president (especially with the economy and jobs)
Republicans and conservative ideology will dominate American politics for our lifetime.

The funny thing is Obama and the Democrats had this opportunity 8 years ago. but they fucked up so badly that they lost everything and are staring at irrelevancy.
Fucking up demographics, importing illegals, and rigging the DNC couldn't even save them from themselves.

>Wealthy people are harder to pay off because the price tag is higher

You are a fucking dumb faggot. Using your "logic" Hillary couldn't be bought because he was a multi millionaire.

>“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”
Nah that's just wishful thinking. After 4 years of Trump, cuckservatives that fell for the media propaganda will come home. In fact, Trump is very moderate overall.

>If Donald Trump is even a slightly successful president (especially with the economy and jobs)

Lol how you enjoying your jobs being replaced with automation fagot? That's Trump's labor pick?

Again, relative to US politics, they are. Barely anyone else in congress is as left-wing as they are.

it's making me so happy to see that you're not changing at all :)

but for the sake of helping you learn, let me ask you a question:

what was Hillary's economic message? Can you even remember it?

How about instead of calling people racist, etc. you actually talk to them about what you're going to do to help them

>Nah that's just wishful thinking

I live in one of those moderate Republicans suburbs in Philly that went for Hillary retard.

>After 4 years of Trump

M8, they're far left. Doesn't mean you can't go farther left.

Illegals aren't allowed to vote dipshit. Even legal immigrants aren't allowed to vote. My Brit bestie has been here since grade 6 and just now got her citizenship approved.

>it's making me so happy to see that you're not changing at all :)

I see you still haven't accepted your kike pupptery faglord?

>what was Hillary's economic message?

idk but Trump's economic policies are Reagan on steroids not hitler's

That's only if they became wealthy on merit.

Celebrities and politicians became wealthy and powerful by eating feces and cannibalizing children in satanic abuse rituals as initiations into their pedocult.

>thinking illegals don't vote in California
lmao

If you want to see how the Democrats are going to implode, look at the British Labour Party.

They lost an election that they were "supposed to win" in May of 2015. They totally underestimated the public anger and hatred for their slimy soft-socialist ideals and got BTFO, despite polls suggesting that they would win the race. The parallels with Clinton and the Democrats in November 2016 are eerie.

Since then, the Labour Party has pretty much given up on trying to work for the electorate. They view us as "the problem", and they think that we should be the ones who come over to their side, not the other way around.
They've retreated to the far-left (the new leader is an IRA and Hamas supporting Stalinist) - much like Ellison - and they refuse to compromise on anything with anyone. Despite being utterly irrelevant, they think they can call the shots, so they're just becoming more and more extreme in their views. They are collapsing in the polls (some Labour-friendly polls even suggest that they're behind by up to 20 points), and outside of the few upper middle class cosmopolitan urban areas, they're basically dying as an electoral force.

Now, Labour is attempting to imitate Trump with a "populist revival". I expect the Democrats will do the same.
However, what they both fail to realise is that populism means giving the people what they want, and Labour (and soon the Democrats) utterly stone cold refuse to compromise on their far-left stances on immigration, Islam, the military, foreign policy, etc. So to them, "populism" means "we might consult you on some irrelevant minor policies, but the big stuff is still ours". This new astroturfed, bizarre "populist" relaunch will fail within a few months because they don't understand populism, and then the party will hopefully die for good.

That's what I expect the future to look like. The Left will keep spiraling, but they won't go down too easy. They're going to try to make a comeback, but ultimately, they will fail.

You're all overthinking it. Sure they got some smart guys in politics, but to act you have to first agree. The democrats are going to field some unknown minority for 2024 just because Hillary did so unbelievably fucking bad in terms of turnout. They'll probably overreact to Trump's winning over the rust belt too, and you'll see republicans unexpectedly taking some urban areas as a result.

>michigan
>not a hand
>shiggidy diggidy

Yes Trump is a disaster who lost by three million votes in the popular vote. He will lose reelection after going down as the worst president ever after starting a war with Iran and privatizing social security.

We have to wait and see. Trump has always been pro-choice politically, while being morally and ethically against doing it.. he does support a person's right to choose. This is why he dodged the question so much during the campaign. He didn't want to discuss it at all.

Although he said he will appoint anti-abortion folks, we have to actually see what he'll do. Something tells me we won't be seeing a completely pro-life administration.

I'm not talking about Hillary, I'm talking about people who have made their wealth in business, e.g. the Trump cabinet.

>i don't know

Hillary had no fucking message. All I remember was "Here, put this sticker on a suffragettes headstone because women like me allowed you to vote"

Entitled bitch.

Mass immigration, for one.

>and you'll see republicans unexpectedly taking some urban areas as a result.

LOL no

>t. butthurt hillshill
A ton of people fell for the media propaganda this election. You can't count on the same "literally hilter" namecalling in 4 years. I'll enjoy the re-election landslide.

> Democrats policies such as indefinite detention, drones, war, welfare, etc. would make it further to the right of any """""far right""""' wing party in Europe

Dude, the democrats are the opposite to Front National, FPO and AfD in everything except healthcare

fuck off

Stop raiding Sup Forums with garbage reddit-tier conspiracy theories.

As a lib, the green agenda is kinda a minor priority for me. Can't really give a shit, Trump won't do it either. No republican will because spoilers:
>being green comes at the cost of jobs

Pretending global warming and climate change doesnt exist or isn't at least partially cause by humans means you're allowed to be as unethical as you want, and that allows companies to make more and hire more. Everybody wins.

I barely give a shit about the earth. He just needs to fund NASA

>I'm not talking about Hillary,

How is it any different? They are both kike puppets.

Those states are not to scale, this pic really bothers me.

>people doing illegal drugs means drugs are no longer illegal

No shit dumbfuck. That doesn't mean they are "allowed." It makes them double criminals. Super-predators, if you will ;)

And the democrats will NEVER help the poor minorities in the long run. They need them alienated and dependent. What they'll do is bring everyone else down to their level and call it equality.

>Dude, the democrats are the opposite to Front National, FPO and AfD in everything except healthcare

Prove it.

How you gonna say that when you die in Iran fighting for Israel Trumpkike?

>1. Neocons like hillary clearly failed the dems. Dems need to refocus on populism and a progressive agenda. Elitism didn't help them.
Radical progressivism is what lost them the election
>2. Through gerrymandering, demographic playmaking and all that, republicans have locked in congress for a long, long time. This is a bad thing.
For you
>stop being scared of brown people
we aren't, we just don't like wasting money to incarcerate them, feed them, school them, and watch them repay us by destroying the culture of the towns they take over
>stop humping your bible
Stop dismantling Western Civilization
>stop hoarding money
I agree
>Trump abandoned bible humping and republican christians just went "well I don't like the man and he's not very Christian"
What he stands for is a culturally conservative country and that's all they really cared about. If you put a Muslim in as the Rep nominee and he was talking about faith, family values and the rest of it, they wouldn't care. Evangelicals are less facile than you proggies stereotype them as.

>what was Hillary's economic message? Can you even remember it?

Same old recycled garbage.

>tax the rich lel

>minimum wage lel

>build mcdonalds on top of the coal mines lel

>And the democrats will NEVER help the poor minorities in the long run

Neither with Democrats see

They are defacto allowed to vote in liberal sanctuary cities. Don't be a pedantic retard.

>thinking I give a single shit about Israel

>tax the rich lel

Yeah we should give them tax breaks

>minimum wage lel

Yeah we should replace workers with robots!

>build mcdonalds on top of the coal mines lel

Fuck the planet!

Hillary made her wealth off obscene speaking fees and monetizing public service. In other words, rent seeking.

I don't think Tillerson is a puppet, and I am glad that we are draining the SoS swamp by starting with him. It's much harder to succeed in business through pure patronage and obsequiousness, it's more likely that they have talent.

Trump does because he's a good guy. He will make sure Americans DIE FOR ISRAEL

>I don't think Tillerson is a puppet,

HAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHA

Her message was to "stand with her"

She has to be the first fuckig person to run a political campaign about her goddamn self, who thought that was a good message

>"""""far right""""' wing party in Europe
How new are you? I hear this blathered about by mostly underage kids who just discovered politics. Truth is you have to look at politics case by case for each country. The modern democrats are the most left wing mainstream group our country has ever been suffered with. Compared to right wing european parties who want to shift their countries politically and socially to the right the democrats are trying to do the exact opposite in the US. They may appear compromise but deep down democratic leaders like Bernie, Schumer, Clinton and Obams would love to see completely socialized medicine, complete gun control, completely open borders and global identity over an American one