Do you think Russia will invade west Ukraine with Obama gone?

Do you think Russia will invade west Ukraine with Obama gone?

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If Russia wanted it would have taken west Ukraine like it took Crimea in front of Obongo.

Russia is pretty cash strapped right now, it can't really afford taking in a wartorn region. Even integration of Crimea was expensive enough, and Crimea is the more wealthy of the regions.

>taking hohols in Russia again

Is the Ukraine/Russian conflict still going on?
Are there still active firefights and acts of aggression, or has it died down?

i hope so

but this

Yes. What's going to happen now is America is going to allow Russia to do more shit, and liberals will use this to further their conspiracy theory that Trump is a Russian puppet.

Its a neighbooring country that isnt a nato member with a big russian speaking population.

Why the fuck would you want to invade something which is naturally under your control ?

The FSB probably doesnt even have to work hard to flip Ukraine back in control in an year.

Every single step of the Maidan revolution was artifically engineered. Without external support Yakunovich would be signing the membership into the eurasian union right now

That ship has sailed. The bridge to Crimea is already being built, we don't really need to grab land to the north of Crimea to create a path to it. We might take DNR and LNR, but it probably won't involve a war, it's already controlled by our people, we just a need a referendum and we need US to acknowledge results. Seeing how DNR and LNR were shelled by Ukraine for months, they probably don't feel like Ukrainians anymore and they would probably prefer to be in Russia, so we're likely to get those regions even if the referendum isn't rigged.

>Russia is pretty cash strapped right now.
>Has almost no debt and running a surplus.
Hillshill please go. Your woman didn't make it.

>FSB probably doesnt even have to work hard to flip Ukraine back in control in an year
You're underestimating the effects of Ukrainian propaganda. Most kokols hate Russia these days, we probably can flip their government in a couple of years, but they'll still have those anti-Russian sentiments and they'll probably have another revolution in a few years. The only solution I see is to keep pressuring this sad non-country until it breaks. Maybe we can make a deal with EU and carve it up.

Had they invaded back when shtf there, it'd be over before you could say nulander or waltzman

Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia and Kazakhstan will be incoprorated into Russian sphere of influence. Whether by military means or otherwise, but it's inevitable.

You mean south-east?

It would be pretty interesting to see the rest of Europe being carved up between the EU and Russia. Not sure how the EU would intend to pay for all the new poverty ridden shitholes after the UK left as they would ban the Ukraine's only sizeable exports, prostitutes and child porn.

He means "Russia already invaded south-east, would it nvade west?"

They easily took Crimea but barely managed take little piece of eastern Ukraine. Taking whole country would be extremely hard and extremely expensive with a lot of casualties and with no guarantees. They had small window when Ukrainian army was destroyed by their puppet president but now that window is closed. Even if they accept the price and do full scale attack west would definitely provide all the guns to Ukraine army and even if Russia advances it would very hard to have any control over territory. Ukraine is huge country and they have military industry and large and now somewhat experienced army. In short Russia can't do that easily and it's probably not worth the trouble. Now they at least have chance of manipulating the west to return to business as usual which would not be possible with full scale war.

These days? They have always hated Russia, Ukranians welcome the nazis, then stalin put his foot on their necks.

All it would take is a decent propaganda campaign to expose how much the EU was fucking Ukraine in the ass just to get back at russia. Do the same as before, create an economic situation in which Ukraine has no way to win without a russian alliance. Etc.

Might not get that puppet candidate but you certainly can get a legit govt

Baltic "intellectuals" everyone. Self-indulgent verbal diarrhea with zero insight. Like a toddler parroting adult words out of meaning and context.

There are skirmishes here and there. Russia mostly want frozen war so Ukraine can't join Nato and EU. Same as in Georgia. Good we managed escape in time.

>Crimea is the more wealthy of the regions.
Not really... It was really neglected my Ukraine and it doesn't have much other than tourism to sustain itself.
East and South has industry and ports. Also a lot of it was focused on Russia.

butthurt because he's right

Not really the whole south-east. And why would you need Western Ukraine?

>Russia is weak
>but Ukraine is strong
Somehow he's right, yes...

idk
it's poorer than eastern anyway

>Salty Russian intellectual
>With a lot of insight
Yeah yeah net analogov v mire we all now. Vodka niggers stronk

>lol russia is big cuntry so tey can take on ukraine in day LOL xDDDDDDDDDD
War doesn't work like that.

>Yeah yeah net analogov v mire we all now.
Well, you are russian after all.

Come on now, we all know Russia can get to Kiev in a week. I know that you tell yourself stories about how weak Russian army is so that you don't shit yourself every night, that's okay. No need to tell those stories, keep them to yourself.

Why can't we have a Simple Eastern European Thread without the hate? Why can't we converse like normal people

>Seeing how DNR and LNR were shelled by Ukraine for months
It's "for years" already.

>The only solution I see is to keep pressuring this sad non-country until it breaks.
They will break without any pressure. If anything, any pressure, real or imaginable will keep them together longer. Better what we can do is to withdraw altogether and keep borders close.

>Slav reading comprehension

nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Military

Do you think we'd get to test out some of our new toys?

Russia army can get to Kiev but definitely not in a week. I was talking about how hard and expensive it would be to keep control of such a large country or maybe even impossible, not about bombing your way to the Kiev. No need to be salty.

>vryoooooti
If you say so...

actually it works somehow like that

>They easily took Crimea but barely managed take little piece of eastern Ukraine.
Because they didn't actually try to take more than Crimea. They wanted to have conflict in the east for leverage and they have it. Their involvement in Donbass is not even Georgia-level...
>Ukrainian army was destroyed by their puppet president
Watch less propaganda. Ukrainian army was destroyed even before Yanukovich, he didn't do anything extraordinary. And he wasn't their puppet. If he was - he wouldn't even negotiate EU association and would instead join EAU like Lukashenko did.
>Now they at least have chance of manipulating the west to return to business as usual
That was probably their goal from the very beginning. Ukraine will probably fall under Russian sphere again, there are some signs already.

America will help Russia (((reclaim))) Ukraine if Putin asks.

why are hamburgers soo keen on instigating trouble in europe?

The EU is the sole problem in Europe. Slavic economic union when?

You are clueless. If Russia wanted to take Ukraine by force, they would have done it and can still do it within weeks. But Russia is dealing with absolute psychopaths in EU and US (until Trump) and Ukraine, capable of any kind of provocations. Imagine Ukrainians shelling their cities and blaming Russia or rebels and EU supporting them no matter the truth? Can't? This has already happened in places like Mariupol or with MH17.

All Russia needs to do is wait, because first, Ukraine's economy is unsustainable, second, Trump is the president, and he could red pill the rest of the world regarding Ukraine, MH17, etc., which will send Ukraine back to Russia.

Did you missed whole Syria company or that Ukrainian army getting worse every day? If Russia really commenced real invasion, whole UAF would be destroyed in American style - with bombs and missiles in a matter of days, and all what's left will be butthurt hohols (5%), people who don't care either way (94,9%) and insane nazis who will become terrorists. And at that point it will become the usual police operation.

-To invade westernmost part of the country, you must first invade eastern part of the country

russian wisdom

Great counter argument, really convinced your correct

That's not how Georgia went down.

I wish they'd just stop fighting, have population transfers or referendums

Russia will dominate the west. Vladimir Putin is very smart.

I wish they'd just stop fighting. Have population transfers or referendums instead

it was merely a defensive suppression operation, not an invasion of any sort

>Do you think Russia will invade west Ukraine with Obama gone?
Don't think so.
But with the new gas pipe build to supply Crimea and alternative routs to supply EU countries he will cut off gas supply to the Ukraine for sure if even one rubble of payment is one day late.

Do you think they will invade Canada and control the Arctic?

our government is run by neocons and neolibs

Bog dal, bog i vzyal.

No. Russia only needs Crimea for their naval operations and to keep nato in check.

Because lesser Slavs hate each other and Russians are forged to cause butthurt to our neighbours

shakashvilli was honestly thinking that US would come to his rescue when he attacked.

he thought US and russia would go to war over south ossetia

>arctic
Useful. Plenty resources there, ripe for exploration and exploitation.
>Canada
Can we instead make a strait there?

I think you really underestimate Ukraine. I don't think that a huge country with a strong military industry complex can be compared to some shitskin tribes (that took way longer than a week to take down btw in one city!). But yeah the only thing that russia has to be proud of is its army so russians gets really triggered if someone tells them that they can't conquer someone in a week.

I don't care as long as /ug/ comes back.

You need to take Alaska too. I'm sure you could manage a bridge or something to link the territory up.

Absolute majority of ukrainians, both civilian and military would not fight russian invasion (a real, not made-up one)

Oh my God I can't believe somebody wrote that unironically.

Russian army could roll into Ukraine with the smallest effort. It would be the easiest fight they ever had.

Boлк в oвéчьeй шкýpe.

I think Poland will have the most of UKR territory whatsoever.

ukraine can buy from other sources via germany poland and slovakia

and they will pay for it with what?
with Ukrainian hookers

Very probably. Why does Russia have such a boner for Ukraine? Is he just trying to annex the buffer States?

I don't think they can afford upbringing the locals to a usual Poland level.
But for what purpose? Oil? We got plenty of this shit. Only reason why we'd take it is the barely existent Russian minority. And I don't think they want to be back in motherland, given that they left it when the motherland was still an Empire.

It's more about having absolute control of the Arctic. By annexing all the countries which have a sea zone in the Arctic then you can claim it as Russian only so that when you do whatever it is you keep doing in the Arctic nobody can complain.

>Why does Russia have such a boner for Ukraine?
Who doesn't? They make the best womenz in the world.

war between ukraine and russia is pointless and unrealistic.
but neoconservatives in US would like it to happened.

war in europpe would be good for US economy

So why they are fighting now? Even people from east Ukraine fighting for Ukraine and almost all "rebels" are from Russia?

Imagine if Canada tried to join Eurasian Union, and every four to eight years had a new presidential chimpout, with more and more anti-American opinions rising, stole American resources mid their transit, and during the last chimpout actively insulted King Nigger and had the chimps chant 'Gut the Americans'.
With representatives of those chimp-outers getting to power with full Russian approval.

>Poland
>not a future oblast

and lot's and lot's of AIDS

Just like Russia.

huh? rebels were made up of local citizens, maybe some volunteers from russia when there was an actual fighting
please cite you sources that led you to believe that local donbass populace are supporting ukraine against rebels who allegedly hail from russia

no no no
look it up, the Ukraine is leading in Europe by huge margin

he doesnt really. It's all about power projection and how he appears to russians in russia. Crimea was taken because they needed to show they can project power on an international stage and to punish ukraine for trying to flip to EU side. It was a no brainer for Putin - relatively cheap to do, lots of fear produced and Russia is now perceived as a super power again as shown in Syria. Putin doesnt need more land, he needs an allies. Russia has sufficient land to be a super power, it lacks the policial and diplomativ power to do so. He's working on the diplomatic power in Syria and on the political power in the EU by supporting the right wing renaissance.

Now that sounds interesting.
Norway under Russian rule wen
According to Zaharchenko there were a total of 3-4 thousand russian volunteers. I'd assume the rest of their army are Russian instructor-trained locals. There are aplenty of those, after all the region has 2mln-strong population.
And their ATO had 6 waves of troop mobilization, it's not exactly volunteers vs volunteers fighting there.

>maybe some volunteers from russia

Kiev threw military planes, heavy artillery, tanks, Tochka's - everything they have at eastern Ukraine and couldn't crush the resistance with force. You know why they did it there, but completely ignored and ignore Crimea? Because in Crimea, there is Russian army with modern weaponry, but in eastern Ukraine, there was no such thing, no use of Calibrs, s-400, Iskanders, etc. Kiev's army basically lost to organized Russian volunteers without modern Russian equipment. The only reason why Russia did not invade was it would cause more bloodshed and it was a trap by US/NATO, so that NATO would justify its existence, make NATO members increase spending (with most of the money going to US companies) and expand NATO's infrastructure even closer to Russia...

Slow down Vlad, I'm not following you very well here. We just had the American rodeo of all elections and The Canadians were definitely not pro Trump. Yet we still haven't invaded. I get what you're saying though about having a hostile state on your border, but surely your role as regional hegemon should be enough to leverage whatever resources you want from them without wasting ammo

Stop drinking bath oil sergei

I guess I was expecting too much. Believe what you will, but I have a feeling that even yourself do not believe what you're spouting out of butthurt.

Whats the obsession with Ukraine? Why do they want it so bad?

Also government in Kiev for many years financially was neglecting Crimea big time,
so people there were very happy to vote for separation.

delet this

He's just a russophobe, ignore.

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>implying ukraine was a country before URSS

we'll help if they give us back our clay

>Maybe we can make a deal with EU and carve it up.

Just have a little chat with the Donald, and he'll be fine with re-creation of Novorossia. You want to take it into Russian Federation like Crimea, don't leave it exposed to HATO manipulation and interference.

Just call it Russian Peacekeepers.

>According to Zaharchenko there were a total of 3-4 thousand russian volunteers.
According to rumours there are no rumours any more.
So if you hear any rumours be assured that they are not really rumours.

And now he will call you Sergei or Boris.

Why not Ivan?

because he already used that name before. lol

The Russian tundra can be a cruel harsh environment Slavs have only made it this far because the purely subsist on the hatred they have for one another.

>Ismail, Cisinau
>Romanian

Kys gypsyshit, blyat

Ukrainian here.

I for one welcome our new Russian overlords.

go back to picking cotton