What went wrong?

What went wrong?

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germans

Everything

fpbp

Eastward expansion. Also Greece.

Germany

again....

are you blaming us for muslims invasion?
what?

People trying to aim towards a common goal, but also trying to steer it for their individual, short-term benefit. The usual human failings...

Becoming more than just ensuring cheap trade and turning into a political institution.

What went RIGHT?

>Eastward expansion

Cuck brainwashing 101

we collectively voted in cucked politicians which resulted in a cucked union

you answered your own question

Markel

too capitalistic for left, too redistributive for right

Globalists abusing Europe to push their one-world government pipedream.
If you want a redpill, go look up Kalergi, his biography and what he had to say about Jews and race. The EU is still handing out a Kalergi award.

Globalist agenda. Began offering companies loans and grants (Literal free money) to move their manufacturing and other operations to eastern europe, resulting in job losses in western europe as well as the euro currency screwing up certain countries (Greece, Italy)

Despite the refugee crisis, economic issues is what always forces people to take action. I think the powers that be do know this, but its something they refuse to budge on.

Operation Barbarossa

Germans didn't make it go wrong. Germany is the EU.

The EU is a bad idea all together.

Started as a feel good bullshit union with the only advantage of dropping trade barriers in Yurop.
Became, well, the EU. The fact that they can issue law is absolutely horrendous. It so happens that the laws they make are also horrendous, but even neglecting this fact the mere fact that they have any form of legislative power should be ground to hang all the motherfuckers tied to it.
Also the Euro. Completely moronic decision pushed for political and financial centralization and control of population. It was fed under the guise of feel good bullshit, as usual with the EU (muh yurop of peace instead of war, things like that). The eurozone is not even close to a working (or even merely sane) monetary zone. It entirely fucked Italian industry for starters.
If you drop the entire legislative apparatus plus the ECB with its euro, it would be bretty good. It would not be very different from the various regular summits that countries have in other parts of the world. Even then the geographic expansion has gone too far.

>It so happens that the laws they make are also horrendous,
you know nothing Bong Smith

FPBP

Even though the aim from the start was political union.

everything, should have never been a thing

The Monolithic Communists were allowed to run it

ein richtiger hurensohn bist du.

Everything, especially Goymany.

Nothing ever went right.

Now we're crashing this plane.

Chronologically

a) utopian ideals taking place of practical reality.

b) mass immigration from Algeria to France, especially, but also from North Africa to Belgium and the Netherlands, and so on. Turkey to Germany too, but while Turkey has been fairly deislamified this has been less problematic. Which will not be so for much longer...

c) letting Greece in

d) German unification

e) utter collapse of standards of French public life over the past 3 decades, meaning that, even without d) France was no longer able to act as a meaningful counter-balance to Germany

g) The Euro. A fucking stupid idea is a fucking stupid idea, however convenient it may be.

h) 2004 and subsequent expansions. Further German dominance ensued.

i) Failure to uphold the rules underpinning, first the Euro (and the Stability and Growth Pact) - or rather holding the likes of Lithuania to follow them pedantically and exactly, while later letting Germany and France do as they wish (while allowing Greece to lie and lie and lie in the first place)

j) Germany acting to destroy both the economic and what passes for democratic life of, first Greece, and then Italy, in the name of "European" (no really not a synomym for German my arse) interests

k) Germany - both Schroeder (a director of Gazprom) and then in a more subtle way Merkel - chumming up with Russia to make energy deals that benefit Germany and Russia while concurrently and necessarily screwing over not just the energy security but the actual security of the smaller and more vulnerable countries between them

il Merkel and almost the entire German political class trying to appease the destruction of their Jewish population by allowing in invading hordes reared on decades of antisemitic propaganda indistinguishable from that of the Nazis (only in Arabic), so that they might eventually consider finishing the job - oh and destroying Schengen, which, with firmly defended external borders was a good thing, along the way

tl: dr GERMANY

EU is based.

This too

I actually never minded it in theory, I like the idea of being able to work and travel across Europe, having a platform for european countries to work together, something to counterbalance the United States' political and economic power but still a "western" bloc.

I think we have a great deal in common and a degree of centralisation in a bloc made sense as China is on the up

But it just got hijacked by a bunch of cucks who don't seem to be able to do anything right. Who the fuck thought you could have open borders both internally and externally

/Thread.

/thread.

Short answer: everything.

Long answer: while in theory it was a good idea in its early days - a small yet important group of neighboring Western European countries, very close in culture and ethnicity, who shared a faith of death and destruction during WW2, with similar post-WW2 geopolitical goals willing to overcome their rivalries and effectively unite to form a "giant sized Switzerland" so to speak - in practice it didn't go that way.
The EU (or what was before it) and its institutions were designed, used, and abused to serve short-therm by almost anyone who thought he could get away with it:

>France and Britain used it to try and prevent the unification of Germany and the regrowth of her economy (the € was imposed on Germany as a condition for reunification, and when they gladly accepted it Thatcher famously said "we could have asked for more").
>USA and Germany used it to expand their respectively military and economical presence in eastern Europe by admitting basically anyone from the former Warsaw Pact.
>Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain used it to boost their credit ratings and live above what they could afford to.
>German and Scandinavian leftists used its open and porous borders and supposed "obligations" to let in millions upon millions of animals from the their world.

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>union

The flaw is in the name

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Funny part is that this approach backfired every time. Every. Single. Time.

>France and Britain haven't prevented Germany's rise and in fact they're the ones complaining that Germany is using her influence against them.
>The USA and Germany have angered Russia which in turn lead to the destabilization of the European neighborhood. Russia has long stopped trusting the lunatic foreign policy approach of the West and so didn't take her chances when more of her (former) allies started looking westward - Russia intervened militarily to defend her interests in Georgia, Ukraine and Syria.
>The PIGS have cornered themselves: staying in the €zone and suffering austerity is bad, but leaving the €zone would be as bad if not worse (at least in the medium term).
>The flood of subhumans shitskins hasn't turn Europe into the multi-mixed-racial, post-national, multi-ethno-cultural, LGBTQQIAAP+, globalized federation they have long masturbated thinking about. In fact it's quite the opposite, European political climate is doing one hell of a 180° turn back to right wing traditionalism and nationalism.

The average Joe's (or Hans', or Pierre's, or Mario's, etc..) opinion on the EU has changed from something that solves problems - which the narrative wants us to believe are unsolvable otherwise - to something that creates problems. And therefore EUro skepticism has never been as high as now.

From a purely detached and academical point of view, geopolitics in the EU (past and present) is incredibly fascinating. But that said, may KEK help us.

Really?

The EU should have been Saliens HRE borders, instead of Trajans RE borders.

jews

This is the only answer. Look at Japan, no national guilt whatsoever and they committed similar or arguably worse atrocities.

Then look at Germany. What does Germany have that Japan doesn't?

Jews.

>short-therm
*short-term interests

like germany

what is the party being represented by the flag over ireland?

low birthrate

>let's have every regional decision go through an extra layer of continental bureaucracy
I wonder what

Most of the politicians taking EU decisions were not elected even in a faux-democratic way.

They are puppets carefully chosen by higher powers.

There are other problems, such as countries sharing a currency but having no real monetary policies. Of course, sovereignty has also been lost in many other areas (such as immigration).

oy vey goy why do you hate peace

Your questions are answered in this YouTube video:

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It is the idea of a one world government sold to the people as something to benefit them.
Open borders and a common currency are nice for traveling and companies but not worth the sacrifice.

The EU as a monitary Union didn't work out because it is simply impossible.

The Idea of a political Union is the most terrifying thing there is in all of Europe.
The EU is not a democracy although it likes to pretend to be one. All the power is in the hands of people who are completely unaccountable and completely unknown to the genneral public.
In essence it is a power grab by the elites seeking to destroy democracy.

THE JEWS

Not much.

The EU is working fantastically, compared to other systems in the world.

>The EU is working fantastically
>its 2nd largest economy just voted to leave

hmm

Western europe is working despite the EU, not because of the EU

really? ..

>fantastically
It is barely better then Communism only because they haven't yet started to put people into camps.

Also it is falling apart quite rapidly, anti EU parties are gaining a lot of power and the Brits just voted to fuck off.

What went wrong is that the EU is literally crypto-communist.
You have a planned economy in all but name thanks to your trade laws, you force left wing Marxism through censoring your media and press, you actively keep out anything that doesn't conform to the ideology (but not the shitskins- refugees welcome!), you are now sending out communism-promoting missionaries to places like Africa just like the Soviets did and are even making your own army to keep the "racists" out.
You spent decades fighting off the Soviet Union just to BECOME them. And you will suffer and fail like they did.

Not real communism

We joined just in time to leech few billions € before it inevitably collapses without it putting shitskins in our country.

Blue and yellow are sissy colors.

EU is a shit acronym.

Europe isn't a country. Even in Greek times Europe merely referred to the land itself and the nation was Hellas or something.

The true masterrace of Europe are the Anglos and our Atlantid cohorts, not the German shitmunchers.

>Jewing the Jew

Good for you.

Everything is dominated by banks and companies that you call democracy

OY VEY
You're supposed to use those shekels to wash away your national identity in the name of communism goyim!

Yeah the Germans didn't fare very well from eastward expansion last time they tried it.

half-decent idea gone horribly wrong.

>common currency but you can only join if your spending doesn't get out of hand. also no bailouts.
>spending gets out of hand, greece gets bailout

>common area of free movement, but only if we cooperate on law enforcement and secure our outwards borders.
>cooperation is barely existent, outwards borders are being invaded.

Jews

There was never meant to be any of that. It was just said to make people go along with it. The goal was always to create a single planned European economy and a single European nation. To do this you needed EU trade policies plus open borders that would equalize and destroy the value of labor the same way as outsourcing and Mexican immigration does in the US. The open borders also serve the ideology by washing away individual cultural identities to make a population less cohesive and easier to control. Classic communist trick, and now you have Swedes unironically saying that their nation has no culture.

Germany

(((bankers))), (((academics))) and (((other globalists))).

fpbp

Just the French/Italians/Germans being retarded continentals again.

Don't you mean Western expansion?

Money as they say, is the root of all evil.
The problems happened when wallets mattered more than innocent lives.
They literally made articals telling people to deal with terrorism as it was good for the economy.
Fucking greedy kikes. We should have got them all when we had the chance.

fpbp

Cuck

fpbp

Currency Union

It could have worked with France, Germany and maybe the UK, we have similar economic interests

Its doomed to fail with dozens of members with different needs and interests.

meanwhile in the real world Britain probably has half of EU's muslims in it and Farage is ok with it.

Why?

Politics having become an indistinguishable pile of shit over, the "representants of the people" continued to distance themselves from its people and now they reap the storm of populism and a re-emerging of right-wing politics. This is especially apparent in Germany and the EU parliament in Brussels. Juncker is the biggest retard on this Earth there currently is.
The idea of an economic union isn't a bad one per se, but politics and an increasing trend for left-wing ideas fucked it all up. Pray that Khalif Al-Merkal won't be re-elected next year and that the French vote for conservative parties, there is still hope.

Everything from the beginning. The EU tried to be the United States of Europe.

I'm not talking shit, we're also fucking it all up. The Feds need to fuck off and read the Tenth Amendment again. State's rights, nigga. And we're a Republic of 50 independent states. Europe is comprised of actual independent countries. There is no place from some giant organization of unelected officials undermining the sovereignty of whole countries.

Nige is on the radio tonight (in 2 and half hours time, join us in brit/pol/ if interested) and I'll try and phone in and ask this exact question, OP.

Germany of course, like the last two times too my good goy

They were hosed once Schengen included non-contiguous countries like Greece.
How the fuck can Greece be part of Schengen? Pro tip: it can't!

Good summary, but you're missing any references to Schengen. Greece is incompatible with the original idea behind Schengen.

Border-free regions MUST be contiguous. Period.

Corrected. You did mention Schengen.

>What went wrong?
>went
unspoken assumption DETECTED

It didn't "go wrong", it was wrong from its foundation. The whole concept depended on the fantasy that national identities were disappearing, eliminating themselves to pave the way for a new Utopianist European identity.

> pluralism

ruled by Germans

> united

ok, let build that pipe avoiding Poolan

> diverse

let unify everything, by force

> abundant

make people insecure by severe austerity

> European

invite literally WHOLE Syria

The EU created cucked nations but the British people were totally lied to by our politicians about what the EEC/EU was about... Edward Heath actually committed Treason. Once we were in, each and every Government just continued it and signed ever centralising Treaties. As for the founding EU countries like Germany, your fate was sealed immediately after WWII when the CIA steered the continuation of the German plans for a 'European Coal and Steel Community', which you guys actually already started in occupied countries such as France... Zionists in the background, oy vay. The plan for the EEC and the EU was already known before the end of WWII. We have all been conned but Germans have been more cucked for a few reasons you know about.

Yes, that's a pretty good summary although the industrial migration has favoured Germany most.

EU is love, EU is life

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> effcient

waste gibsmedats on muh friends completely competitive business

and shit

It was a bad idea from the start. It's goal was always to replace nation states with a globalist government. The founders said as much themselves. It's not a conspiracy, it's just people can't be arsed to look into it.

Death to the EU.

Europeans

Correct. This guy gives a brilliant historical perspective on this. Peter Hitchens.
The EU is the Continuation of Germany By Other Means.

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Merkel, Refugees and crazy Brussel-commie bureaucrats like Juncker. On the deeper level, it should have remained strictly economical union instead of a political one. EU was made to counter soviet influence, instead it copied the worst aspects of soviet federalism.

This.

'We have an embarrassing history of intolerance, let us make up for it by importing terrorists'

Good overview. I think the creators of the Euro knew it would kill the peripheral countries. Everyone who had a brain cell was saying this when they rolled the Euro out. My theory is that they wanted to collapse the economies of the peripheral countries so they could take them over and consume them into the superstate. In fact, we can see this with Greece and Italy already.

Ahem... How so? Your statement only shows your ignorance dear fellow.

based in a globalist/marxist ideal, yes.

It's the same idea behind mass immigration to the West. Weakened nations are easier to annex. I despise the EU and it's a real shame Europeans are dying yet the evil cunts in brussels remain untouched.