Were goths more based than we gave them credit for?
Consider this
Goth #1-Hey do you know Dameon?
Goth #2-Isn't he that guy who hates Jews who's father is a Catholic or something?
Goth #1....Yeah that's him
Goth #2 What about him?
Goth #1 I want to marry him and have a traditional gothic family.
Thoughts?
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No.
Most here went through some sort of goth/emo phase. How do you think we all found Sup Forums?
goths were right all along
They were, now they aren't anymore.
Just a trend.
the visigoths were based, yes
They don't date niggers either.
lmao. Nice try faggot!
>Goth
>Catholic
>Marry
The fuck?
Goths were either edgy satanists (developed into nazis), Neopagans (Developed into traditionalists), weird wiccans (these developed into 3rd. wave feminists) or Atheists.
Yeah most of them were based and still are not worshiping a dead jew except for the ones who decided to worship some nature goddess bullshit and drink eachothers menstrual blood as a sacrifice. Ever wondered where the 3.rd wave nutjubs got the idea to free bleed and play with their own menstrual blood to gain some womynz supaMAGIXpowahs? The answer is wiccans.
>implying they weren't attention whore seeking sjw's
"Gothic" stuff isn't just the stuff in your picture, it's just a much bigger movement. A lot of goth artists, like Kraftwerk, are super red pilled. I think being "goth" is red pilled because usually people who are "goth" have a huge amount of melancholy for personal reasons but also because they're not satisfied with the world. As far as I can tell, a lot of goth people admire beauty, love, or other virtuous things, but their feelings are marred with discontent for various reasons which to me seem red pilled most of the time.
Kevin Shields is another goth artist who seems pretty red pilled.
>white
>artistic
>don't support the (((mainstream)))
>appreciate white folklore and fantasy fiction
>usually the smart kids
>don't usually drink or do drugs
>keep themselves to themselves
There's a lot going for them.
The females tend to be the ones who partake in the degenerate practices.
>goths to get boyfriends
>self harmers
>attention seekers
>smokers, weirdly
>support the (((manufactured))) 'alt' scene
It's like with any scene, the girls usually fuck it up.
possibly they were generally all white although i never associated with them so know nothing about their ideology
Goth and faggot pagan kike slaves are not synonymous with each other, you just don't understand what goth is. You could say those witchy freaks were influenced by the goth culture, but that doesn't make them anywhere close to the epitome of Gothic.
>Another scum of society just like emos and punks
No.
REEEEEEEEEEE
not really and it bleeds over into the swinger scene a lot. It's just a way for fat middle aged men to fuck chubby teenagers and they are all degenerate as fuck. Half the cafes in Whitby have photo boards full of fat chicks with their tits out.
Goth chicks (the non fatties) were always a fetish of mine. I really wish the SJWs didn't hijack the wild hair dye thing from them.
Most "goths" I've met are incredibly blue pilled social justice warriors, but maybe I've never met a """real""" goth.
Goth culture these days is practically a subset of emo/punk with darker musoc.
Early goth was a love of victorianesque style with dark tones and emotionally dark music.
Most of these people are, like metalheads, hippy liberals with a hard mask.
Nothing more, nothing less.
>lovers of depeche mode and velvet acid christ are traditional and morally based
I refer you to that crappy goth porno club from the early 00's tag teaming some dumb slut with everyone lit off of eighteen different drugs.
there are no real goths anymore, just like there are no real punks
I woke up with this feel today
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goth nazis
>Early goth was a love of victorianesque style
wut.
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They were faggots and eternally will be faggots.
Emos were even worse. Thank God those trends are dead. I always wanted to kick the shit out of the goths and emos in middle school but I was a good boy so I never did nuffin.
They just don't know shit about goth, they think pic related is what goth culture can all be summed up to.
Emo culture was most likely Jewish subversion of the gothic culture into a consumer based fashion movement , devoid of any real ideology, a hollowed out corpse if you will.
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Doesn't mean there aren't real "emo" people with meaningful creations and feelings.
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I don't think kikes created emo culture, but I think they subverted it and turned it into something else.
Looking deeper, most goths emulated victorian era clothing albeit all black. The obsession with black suggests a funeral in their appearance. Victorian era enlightenment ideals are severly injured, if not outright dead. Gothic fashion is a representation of this unconscious reality.
>american football
>emo
lol no. It's so far removed from any kind of punk music. At best it's whiny alternative rock
Noice
>Google'ing victorian enlightenment
We didn't have the luxury of myspace music. We were more limited in what could be seen/heard then.
Kraftwerk goth?
Try again!
>early goth
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I was always into actual goth music and I always hated the kids in my school that listen to Marilyn Manson and Slipknot and shopped at Hot Topic and thought they were Gothic. Fuck those faggots
This is a more pathetic than usual divide and conquer tactic, you're really digging in the bottom of the barrel for bait now CTR.
I'm just here to loo at these goth sluts.
Hahaha, maybe if you're a retard with a kiked perspective on music.
Goth is just melancholy. Kraftwerk was described as cold wave, a part of post-punk, which is all under the goth banner. If you can't hear it yourself you just don't understand goth.
sisters of mercy goth enough for you?
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Anyone who dresses like these idiots is a hyper emotional trainwreck.
Same with wearing tattoos, piercings and blue hair.
Goths were predecessors to SJWs.
Yeah, they were awesome.
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Shit you're right, I didn't realize this song was hardcore punk music with introspective themes
fuck no, they were faggots
Who said emo has to be hardcore punk music?
Already listening to the full album since posting.
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>In the 2000s, many members "...claim overlapping memberships in the queer, polyamorous, bondage-discipline/sadomasochism, and pagan communities."[48]
Women in the goth scene tend to be more independent: The "...[s]cene's celebration of active sexuality" enables goth women "...to resist mainstream notions of passive femininity." They have an "active sexuality" approach which creates "gender egalitarianism" within the scene, as it "allows them to engage in sexual play with multiple partners while sidestepping most of the stigma and dangers that women who engage in such behavior" outside the scene frequently incur, while continuing to "...see themselves as strong." [48]
Men dress up in androgynous way: "...Men "gender blend," wearing makeup and skirts". In contrast, the "...women are dressed in sexy feminine outfits" that are "...highly sexualized" and which often combine "...corsets with short skirts and fishnet stockings." Androgyny is common among the scene: "...androgyny in Goth subcultural style often disguises or even functions to reinforce conventional gender roles." It was only "valorised" for male goths, who adopt a "feminine" appearance, including "make-up, skirts and feminine accessories" to "enhance masculinity" and facilitate traditional heterosexual courting roles.[49]
Oh, yes. So based.
Goths were always the faggiest kids in high school
Emo literally stands for "emotional hardcore", dumbfuck. Maybe try spotting the difference between late 80s-early 90s emo and the completely unrelated indie rock shit you posted
These goth fags usually get married in Whitby here in the U.K. because of the Dracula link.
One day they will grow out of it for most it's just a phase like being a wigger or emo.
I was involved in the Los Angeles goth scene in the 90s (yes the goth scene was still alive) a lot of people hated us cause they usually think its another glam rock. Some people called us nazis because we wore all black were white.
There was a nazi goth movement in San Francisco in the mid to late 80s though
Holy fucking trainwreck.
"Gothic subculture might have been a bulwark against something much worse"
- Richard Spencer
>In the 2000s
there's your problem
goth girls were hot asf in high school and middle school
now bitches listen rap and rnb crap
Ayyy hol up we got a wikipedia scholar here everyone.
Oh so you're one of those kike-slave reddit faggots that thinks that music is supposed to fit neatly into one genre, and that in order to be a part of a genre you have to follow specific pre-set rules, rather than just making music influenced by any combo of genres you like, thereby creating new music that fits into many genres while also having a type of it's own.
People like you kill all music scenes.
What an insightful plant.
Nice quote. Great minds think alike.
Look at the über manlet boots to the left. Top kek
The original edgelords.
They were dorks - but they honestly had some decent taste in music.
Oh yes and just to address this music discussion taking place, any white person who does not listen to and appreciate classical music on a frequent basis has been undoubtedly kiked.
Ah man I haven't heard ToH in such a long time. Thanks that made my day.
Goths are pretty cool sometimes. They like to do strange shit like chill in strip clubs and ignore strippers
>tfw never seen a real goth
My schools were always full of mall goths and scene kids
What would it take for another anti (((mainstream))) movement that's genuine to arise? Hipsters are manufactured bullshit and Gavin McInnes is a goddamn faggot and cuck
Emo did evolve from 1985 to 1995. At some point they just starting forgetting about soft loud dynamics and went full soft all the time. That's not evolution or progression. It just became something completely different and bands like American Football are directly responsible for MTVemo shit like My Chemical Romance. By your logic I could also call Limp Bizkit an emo band because "fuck your pre-set rules you kike lover"
>being this assblasted about getting corrected by a punk historian nerd
Nah, it's more like this guys.
Yes.
I was so fascinated by this trend. The black clothing, the heavy music.
... then I got redpilled on Burzum and Bathory and sort of realised what a bunch of attention whores and absolute SLUTS the goth scene consisted of.
Still a shame.. there was something awe inspiring about the way every goth seemed to be wearing a unique set of clothing, despite it all being red and black.
And the chicks, of course.. fuckmesideways some of those scene kids were gorgeous.
Beg pardon?
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I think punk, rock, guitar whatever music will make a comeback soon. There are huge music movements in every decade and it's been pretty stale for the past seven years or so now, so I'm expecting something to pop up soon- then again it could be that society really has completely lost control.
God I miss my first wife.... Met her in a goth club, cutie little gothic girl, all in black, gave painted white.... She looks better 19 years older and as a cowgirl to boot
Where did I go wrong? Fml
I've never listenedto Limp Bizkit but sure, maybe you could call them emo! MCR actually does have some good music. Maybe you just need to accept that full soft and soft loud can both be subsets of emo.
What do you mean you got red pilled on Burzum and Bathory?
>jewpedia
This is why I dress like a fascist
They were and they still are. It's not a thing of the past. Goth never was just an edgy teenager phase like emos. There are lots of adult goths in europe and new ones.
Internet was a bad thing for the subculture I'd say, now we see lots of "internet goths" but only small groups irl.
You need to ignore the cyberfags though.
Internet is obviously one of the worst things for culture. Do the math
ultimate fags. Basically the kids that wanted to fit in with the metal heads but were too rich and completely devoid of any musical skill
I mean that before I could delve into the wonderful world of KoRn and My Chemical Romance, I was shown actual fucking metal and ended up forgetting how fascinating the goth scene is.
I bet those dudes listen to "Xymox" *^_^*
Will painful normality become a thing? Look as sludge and old country musicians. They both had agonizing material, but never expressed it through clothing like goths. What I'm saying is can there be a counter mainstream movement, but they just wear work wear instead while still being redpilled about society?
Don't pay any mind to him. He said he was attracted to scene girls so he obviously doesn't know what goth is anyways.
Oh, okay, but you realize that the BM scene, and Burzum fans, are full of sluts, right?
I don't listen to that kike faggot anymore, but I never had a hard time enjoying that genre as well as goth music and lots of other genres. Korn and MCR aren't goth.
Isn't that called post irony or something? I don't think that goths just express their feelings through their clothes, and a lot of them do it in different ways- I already posted Joy Division earlier, but these guys don't dress like typical goths.
Love this one by them.
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I've never been part of any scenes. So no, I have no idea if the bm scene is full of sluts.
I get what you're saying, but you're ignoring the fact that Joy Division existed before goth. They are post-punk and even though post-punk is a stylistic precursor to goth they are not the same. That would be like saying LA punk bands are goth because they were a stylistic model for death rock.
No it literally is, just go look up #Burzum on Instagram and look at all of the slut selfies of girls in Burzum tees.
In all fairness Burzum isn't the best example for the BM scene because he has massive popularity in general. I mean for fucks sake Hot Topic used to sell a Hvis Lyset Tar Oss t-shirt on their website, and not to mention his meme status because of his trial pictures.
I don't know but gothic rock was pretty damn good.
I don't look at music genres that way really, I do think that you could label all sorts of music from different times, different scenes, goth. Like this band:
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But I'm sure you'd really disagree with that. I see anything with a heavy, sad, melancholy tone in it as gothic.
But as for Joy Division I think within your definition they still qualify as Gothic. Goth was first coined in the sixties, and one of it's earliest applications was specifically to Joy Division, everyone considered Joy Division goth.
Yeah that's true, ultimately there are sluts every where, attention hungry girls will always find male dominated areas and try become a dream girl for those males because it's easier than getting attention competing with normal girls for normal guys. That's the case with gothic stuff, too, there are plenty of non-slutty gothic girls and I'm sure you see more sluts in the more retarded bands fan groups.
I fucking hate goths, emos and punks.
>LOOK AT US OUR MUSIC IS SUPERIOR URS IS SHIT.NOW LET ME ENJOY MY DAILY EAR RAPE.
shut up
Goths are counter culture
Eh... I like his music.
I don't want anything to do with his neckbeard fanbase.
She's just a human. Probably disgusting acting. Don't go back
Or maybe do
Idk
I wish I could totally give myself to like, one fashion scene so that I could know what that feels like but I never will. I guess I will when I'm real old and wear wizard robes everywhere
I'll concede because you're presenting goth as a concept rather than a specific music scene. I can respect the notion of the concept because goth does seep into many mediums. Faulkner wrote American gothic lit, True Detective is gothic television, and 16 Horsepower is gothic country
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