I went to Waco for you guys!

>in the area on vacation
>took some photos
>split because I felt kinda weirded out

Any Waco conspiracies?

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To this day I don't know why it was deemed necessary to drive the flamethrowing tank into the building and set it on fire.

Supposedly even the Davidians say the flaming tank thing was probably just a reflection off the front end, or possibly ignition (they were pumping in CS gas). Linda Thompson really discredited herself; The ATF was acting crazy, but I don't think they'd risk that.

They knew what they were doing though, punching holes on all 4 sides to allow wind to flow before using flammable gas. That's basically how a campfire's made.

(New camera, figuring out how to resize photos)

Nope no conspiracy at all, the house caught on fire from natural causes. And the ATF were shooting at the exits of the building so the poor people trapped inside could find them more easily...

Here's the first photo. New camera, like I said, so some of them came out a little dark. At least one of the memorials is donated by a militia, but I can't figure out who donated this one.

One of the reasons I left early was because the gate was marked "No trespassing." There was a memorial and requests for donations, though. A black truck drove by me as I was reading the main memorial and the guy looked at me as he drove into what looked like communal trailers out back, behind the remains of the pool. I remembered there were people warning about dogs on the property, so I didn't rubberneck too much.

Mainly wanted to talk conspiracies with you guys.

That's a new one. I have to go, but maybe someone can link the video in here. Best I can recall, it really really looked just like a flame-thrower. I always assumed they thought that the media/camera crews were made to park so far away that they'd never catch any of it on film. They were wrong.

Bump for interest.

The Feds made an example of the Branch Davidians to help put down the growing militia movement in the 90s. No allegations of Koresh abusing chidren were ever substantiated (yes he was married to several 14-16 year olds but marriage in TX was legal at age 14 w/ parents permission. Not saying it's right but it was legal) and no machine gun parts were ever found. I'm pretty sure Janet Reno admitted in court to making a bunch of shit up too

Everything you were never told right here...link

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The theory came from Linda Thompson. She has an interesting story and might be part of a conspiracy herself.
>leftist most of her life
>gets hired to be Davidian's lawyer
>for reasons unknown she's ditched for a new one
>founds American Justice Federation, publishes conspiracy docs
>two best ones are Waco: The Big Lie, and Waco: The Big Lie Continues
>McVeigh said he was influenced by these videos
>my father tried to pay for one and magically got audited by the IRS a few days later
>Linda goes nuts
>black helicopters, laser guns killing her dog, FEMA camps
>declares herself Adjutant General of the Unorganized Militia
>Militias around the country criticize and dismiss her when she orders an armed march on Washington
>a few years later she overdoses on pain meds

It calls it a Stone Church here, and there's also a small brick out in front of the one-room church that has that written on it. Anyone know what it means? Something about how they're rooted to the land, or refuse to move, maybe?

This pic is the remains of the swimming pool. I'm about standing on the filled in concrete building foundation where Koresh was found. The pool is used now to collect rainwater, and the buildings in the back are all on the same property, so I guess that's what's left of the church. I wonder if they still stockpile.

Iirc the guns were legal, but they were raided because they heard automatic gunfire. Turns out it was hellfire trigger systems, basically a shitty equivalent of a bump stock.

I'm not going to make excuses for Koresh, he wasn't a good person but people didn't have to die imho. just serve a warrant when he's out for a morning jog - the church actually gives out pamphlets that ask why the ATF couldn't have just done that. I think the ATF did it because they wanted to look cool and helpful, saving children to redeem themselves after Ruby Ridge, prove they shouldn't be dissolved. Too bad someone tipped the Davidians off and they had already prepared for it. ATF heard they were standing their ground and sprayed the front door -- later lost the door in evidence, which would've proved this.

Picture here is a pile of rubble to the left of the front gate. I think most of the rubble should've been left as a reminder of what happened here.

So here's a video I made, I'm liking the video on this camera a lot more than the pictures, but I haven't mastered that yet.

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Pic is the new church, built centered on the remains of the old one.

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nice vid bro

Danke, let me see if I can find any other interesting pics

A classic example of why you can't simultaneously keep the public in the dark about a threat or problem while at the same time feel like you are justified by using lethal force to take care of said problem.


Ever since nam, disgruntled americans were basically going full retard with their antigovernment bullshit. however the government had the news media keep everything on the downlow to discourage other dissidents from rising up. After the counter culture movement, the lefties went underground and started cults based on socialist/communists ideals. So we had a ton of new age socialist cultists on the left stirring the shit pot causing problems, while militias on the far right where agitating for their own revolutions because they were upset with the ever reaching long arm of the federal government. Shit wasnt looking good for the current power structure because both sides effectively hated them.

During the cold war, russia and other external threats were used to keep the average citizen stupid about these internal issues, but things came to a head after the wall fell. As militias and cults upped their game, so did the feds. But the main problem was that since they did such a good job coercing the media into keeping all these problems a secret, the public had a hard time understanding why the feds would randomly show up at a church and set children on fire.

It's not so much a conspiracy, as it is the left hand didnt know what the right hand was doing and everyone is just staring at a seemingly crazy schizophrenic government going ham on itself and everyone around it.

Isn't CS gas flammable if used in doors in a high concentration?

That's a pretty good point, user. And I feel like the feds killed two birds with one stone in the time after Waco when people were still upset: When McVeigh blew up the federal building, the media tied him into the militia crowd (even though the Michigan Militia literally kicked his ass out and reported him to the feds). So the leftist cults and the right wing militias were both pacified.

All it took was a hundred or so people.

Yeah, but a lot of conspiracies make it seem like the government or the authorities or The Man knows what he's doing. I bet 90% of the guys on the ground had no idea.

One of the causes could've been the cutting of the electricity. Gas the building, that sparks with a kerosene lantern, there's so many bullets going off that people are afraid to leave he giant exit holes, Feds are scared and mow down civilians. It seems like a giant fuckup that everyone had to cover their asses after.

>Also when it burns it makes hydrogen cyanide
>Cyanide makes muscle contractions so severe that they snap your fucking bones
>Pics are out there but I don't want to post them here
>This happened to kids

>why it was deemed necessary to drive the flamethrowing tank into the building and set it on fire.

if you worship moloch you burn humans to death on his birthday, Waco happened on Moloch's birthday

It's still federal government fault for allowed it, either way the chain of command leads up to the Clintons.

Postal 2 has a great parody of the Waco siege.

The flame-throwing tank has always been complete BS meant to poison the well and discredit the movement to make the feds accountable for their crimes.

It's more or less the textbook example of controlled opposition for those in the know.

The best documentary on Waco is Waco: The Rules of Engagement.

It shouldnt feel wierd they dug up all the dirt and moved it out of there so no one could test it a week after it happened.

You guys will think I'm lying, but the whole thing was predicated on back taxes. I shit you now.

that was worse than anything Assad did before the real terrorists showed up

people need to open their fucking eyes

MUHHH DICTATOR

There's other factors in the equation. Right before the place was set fire to, the feds ran the armored car through the building to create sources of air (fuel) to feed the flames. The inventor of FLIR is on the record identifying footage of fully-automatic gunfire being directed towards fleeing Davidians (the FBI maintains it never fired a shot when they took over), never mind that emergency services were prevented from controlling the blaze, and the building was literally bulldozed into a pile of ash and coals before any attempt at investigating was made.

Wow, it's still in fire after 20 years?

Idk if Moloch has anything to do with it, I can't find April 19th as a real feast day anywhere that's not some shady blog. It says OKC, Waco, Virginia Tech and Columbine all happened on the feast, but OKC and Columbine were both supposedly inspired by Waco, and VA Tech was inspired by Columbine.

Never heard of it, but I'll look it up, I love LetsPlays. A good movie about it is Red State, it seems like a parody.

I agree, also the one about FLIR was good (might be the same one.) It's like how after JFK got killed, everyone knew Oswald was a patsy. Then there were a million conspiracies about the mob, Freemasons, Cubans. We all knew who killed him, but the well was poisoned.

Check out who donated the centerpiece in the main memorial.

Yall two circle jerking justifying this makes me sick.

The main memorial out front.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm just saying the authorities used the whole "Never let a good tragedy go to waste" mantra with OKC.

Yes, I distinctly remember watching television in the living room with my parents when they were lobbing CS canisters into the cabin that Christopher Dorner was holed up in and saying, "Oh shit, they're gonna burn the building down around him like they did in Waco." And then the cabin caught on fire and they let it burn...

I didnt justify a god damn thing, but keep on role playing over something that happened before you were even born. Governments rule with force, and ifyou dont want them to fuck your shit up then you should prepare to deal or compromise with them in the current year, not complain about injustices 20 years ago. It's like fixating on who shot jfk. The answer is, it doesnt matter. He's dead, nobody was held accountable, and even if you could find out the truth and arrest people right this second it wouldnt change anything because too much time has passed. The people in power have changed, it's the current elite who you need to be wary of, not of dead or dying people whose time has come and gone.