Finland will pay everybody 587$ For Basic Universal Income

Finland has said that it will pay everyone 587$ to have a basic universal income. This is socialism. Is it good? Will Trump like it?
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It's instead of social benefits. They are trying to reduce the bureaucracy that comes with all the welfare that costs tons of money.

I get the same amount every month thanks centrelink.

It also encourages people to work in theory. We'll see how it turns out.

Well, it's not enough to live on. Will it even cover rent in Finland?

>Finn 93.4%, Swede 5.6%, Russian 0.5%, Estonian 0.3%, Roma 0.1%, Sami 0.1%

Really makes you think

what did you look under your balls and find that there isn't a stamp that says you are a true american?

I don't even know what that is supposed to mean you gap toothed faggot

Probably not.

Genghis Khan 99,99%

I think it's made more to supplement odd jobs than it is to replace work.

The future of work is moving towards like a shift at a restaurant, a freelance writing gig/small-time blue collar job, and trying to retrain yourself for one of the few extremely high-skill jobs that exist. This is how immigrants and hipsters in cities already live.

Lol you can literally live here for 2 months with 500 euros

you are a mongol you mongoloid

see

It's not universal income, it's just another way for the jews to get you pay back your loans.

Universal income is the final noose around your neck, don't applaud it.

This Nord gets it. Also, let's see how many niggers from Sweden come over after hearing this.

it will increase slotfulness,
It will reduce employment
it will increase inflation,
it will decrease productivity,
it will increase crime
3-5 years later politicians will promise to increase basic income people will vote for the most generous politicians.

This is exacly how Roman Republic was destroyed. Gracchi Brothers give free grain to people in times of crissis. But it became perpetual and people always voted for the candidate who promise the most. People didnt care whether politicians cared democracy, republic, constitution or laws or not they always voted for the most generous politicians.

If make people economically dependent to state, people will end up politically dependent to state. Such people can be fed but cant be free.

Start trial with 2000 persons. Give 500€ as universal income, but remove the 500€ social benefits.

Its a good thing, the IRS keeps fucking with you if get a part time job and a small payment.

500€ is barely enough to get by every month in Finland, we are one of the most expensive countries to live in Europe.

It has been spinned in foreign media to make it sound like a socialist wet dream. I hope rapefugees don't get made up bullshit info about this.

kek we sent them 30k allready

Where I live that would provide a man with food and basic shelter for damn near 12 days per month.

How can you survive with 500e in finland?

Teach me your ways.

It's a trial with randomized basic income for people to see if it works.

The theory is that under their current welfare system, your benefits are based on your income and employment status, so people who are unemployed have perverse incentives to hold out for a better job rather than accept whatever low paying job they can get, because if they did, they'd lose their benefits.

This basic income is not conditional on income, so whatever you earn, you still get the supplemental basic income. The hope is that without perverse incentives "trapping" people in welfare, people will be more likely to find work and contribute to society.

We'll see if it works out, which is why it's a small trial to see how people actually respond to basic income.

Bedroom + living room + kitchen + toilet (45m2) = 800€ a month
+ electricity (35€) + internet (40€) + (10€) a month.
+ outskirts location, bus pass (100€) a month

=985€ every month.

RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Stop giving money to sandniggers and coons!

I haven't had a decent meal in weeks!!!

>Universal
It's not universal. It's only for the unemployed.

They fucked it up, as the government always does.

300g dry pasta 0,15€ + ketsup and salt
Berries and mushroom from woods.

So i would have my usual food then?

sing me up

>This basic income is not conditional on income, so whatever you earn, you still get the supplemental basic income.
False. It's only for the unemployed, they didn't grasp the entire point of basic income when they implemented this. It's setup to fail as example so other countries can put off basic income a few more years/decades.

aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/finland-introduces-basic-income-unemployed-170103190406168.html

They eventually want to Jew everyone into this so that you'll be forced to accept shitty telemarketer part-time jobs or starve.

if you are that broke why dont you get a job or go fishing

You guys are morons money is basically just confetti controlled by the mega rich. Of course it's an awesome idea. Should really be a human right.

Why would he, the only thing he has to do is to vote for the party that has the most handouts.

Good that history is not warned us about behavior like that, it's a new brave world we are entering.

And i thought my country was 3rd world. How do you guys even live?

so he wouldnt need to eat only pasta everyday?

Trials are with unemployed and if it goes well it MIGHT be implemented to be universal.

Nearly everyone is eligible to some form on social benefit in Finland. One argument for UBI is that it encourages people who rely most on social benefits to do part-time work. Right now the system is fucked, you will get more money in benefits if you do nothing. You get much less if you make the mistake of generating even a small ammount of income.

Yeah no shit it's for the unemployed. I mean that even when they do get a job, they'll still get the basic income. Did you even read the Al Jazeera article? There's literally a subheading that says "Not income-based" and goes on to say:
>According to the plan, the 560-euro basic income will be part of the general unemployment benefit the participant receives when he or she is unemployed.

However, the participants will continue to receive the basic income even if they start working, although they will lose the rest of their unemployment benefit at that point.

Consequently, when the participant gets a job, he or she will receive both the salary and the basic income. And he or she will continue to claim other income-based benefits such as housing or childcare in line with his or her income, like every other citizen.

average wage there is 2600 euro, so he would have plenty left for food and entertainment. If he got some meme degree or has no trade skills to get a job it's his own fault.

Universal basic income is logically inevitable, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will happen. AI might just replace people and the mega rich / governments could just let billions of people die and claim no responsibility

No it wont. Its an experiment for 2000 people who are in a long term unemployment, and the design of it makes it seem like it tries to discredit the idea

> Lowest possible social group
> Lowest possible sum, as there is application based welfare to hand about 85% of the sum already
> Non-reprensative sample
> Ignores students ans precarious people , essentially turning the experiment into one of making acquiring a job always desirable

And oh yeah, its not the sole source of welfare, as housing benefits will still be available to the study group, bumping their incomes 200-300 dollars a month.

I'm glad there is an opportunity to test pilot UBI - it's socialism but who is to say if it would work.

Get your monies and move to a EE country where everything is cheaper. Repeat every month.

>no incentive to work
>nobody does shitty jobs

OY VEY you need immigration to fill these up goyim !
Don't mind if i pump 3 millions of the dumbest, most agressive and primitive people on earth for it in your white man dream country !

Oh, they don't work either ? Let's put them in the army then, so they learn to fight on top of this.


T. Cucked country
We know how that works, please do a shoah before it's too late.

shieeet, good luck getting anybody to do a shitty job

>the bureaucracy
They are a people too. What they do now?

But i already work in Finland, i am on vacation at home right now.

I do, but I am also a uni student, electrical engineering (8-15 lectures, 16-20 part time job, 21-24+ assigments...)

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT, net income 2600€? After taxes? I made 1300€ a month(after taxes and fees) doing basic industry work full time.

Construction?

The average wage is 3300 as of last year.

But Turkey, the system is already there. Finland has had a welfare system that pays people money for decades, and part in it that encourages sloth is designed by conservatives who think that your income going up by 200 euros should cut your benefits by the same amount. The system isn't Gracchi brothers, its trying to improve their system. Also, your theoretical predictions have not come to true. The country has had pro-Welfare increase government the last time in 90s, and the leftist parties are weaker by election.

I'm on welfare and Sup Forums is the first place I read about this.

What.

You mean out of the ass regardless of work? lol thats our minimum wage.

leave it to the russian to stand up for bloated inefficient bureaucracies

bureaucrats will bureaucrat. im sure they will find something to bureaucrat.

Fuck me! With an ECE degree?

Yep. Europe is fucked...

You are getting jewed then.

i work construction and make 3-4k a month after taxes. The employer even pays my rent so i only need to spend money on food when i am in Finland.

And the no jobs in funland meme is a joke i have been offered a better pay if i join another company 2 times now. But i like the collective i work with now so i am staying in this firm for at leas another 5-10 years.

There was a episode of Futurama where everybody in world gets $300. Immediatly every "Everything for $1" become to "Everything for $300". I guess it`s very possible irl too.

Does that mean Pasi Viheraho will buy better food?

youtube.com/watch?v=Se5v-Ym9j8c

> student who doesnt take maintenace loan even when it has a negative interest rate
> complains about lack of money
> lives in an apartment for two alone (45 sqrm)
> thinks his job that is paid by hour is representative of actual careers

>it will pay everyone 587$
Last I read, it was random unemployed people

how exactly? if i'm not working already giving me ~$600 isn't going to change anything.

you're just as bad as shitty refugees, get a job

No, it means he would have less income.

Nothing.

Because they do absolutely nothing productive and nobody needs them.

If you have that much surplus cash, why not lower taxes for the people who actually work and contribute to your economy

>2000 people
>everybody

Where's my 597$

But then there would be space for massive price cuts by competitors, nullifying the whole point of it. Arbitrage cant last.

forgot to include

>unemployed only

Because the current welfare we have discourages working low wage jobs, because you end up without about as much money in the end as you would if you just stayed at home doing what you actually like.

Depends on if it works. One day we will end up as socialist worldwide unfortunately, between growing automation and shrinking jobmarkets its unavoidable. The issue is finding a method that works.

>turk speaks the truth
>europeans becoming full blown communists

maybe constantinople is better off in your hands

If there were no welfare I'd be a criminal.

I think that'd be the case for a lot of people.

I too am on the centerlink

Hows your job search going user?

None hires ECE students without work experience to do ECE work. I am talking about shitty low-pay student employment jobs.

Dem sweet, sweet construction jobs. Basic electrician, plumping and construction is where the money is for a young guy. The problem is that for a finn the chances for getting high in a career is low without an engineers degree and after a day at the construction yard you don't feel like studying.

Btw. How many finns are on your team?

The people not working already get around 700 now, but if they get a part time job every dollar they make cuts that by 50 cents or eliminates it completely if they earn over 1200 dollars a month, discouraging them from getting a precarious job (risky outlook, less than 37.5h/week, etc) inefficient.

One summer, I worked around 25 hours a week as a food deliverer. The money it paid was a bit above the unemployment benefits that I could have claimed, leaving the real benefit from working very low.

They're going to have a hard time doing that after Trump makes them actually help pay for RnD costs on pharmaceuticals. The only reason these countries have cheap health care is because the US subsidizes them.

Why not get a job? If there arent any jobs why not protest for government to encourage job creation.

This shit is retarded. Why is there a government there in the first place?

This is a clear violation of the NAP.

Fuck you I calculate gibs from the German government and have a comfy job with a decent wage. Sometimes I have to deal with shitskins but everyone working here is completely redpilled.

Funny how that works, if you are surrounded by niggers and refugees you hate them and understand their true nature. Meanwhile college kids in white neighborhoods think they're fantastic people.

>Gets a worthless degree in education
>Wonders why they can't find work.

Sorry buddy, but you should starve to death for making the free market hate you.

Wagies BTFO

id say it's 50/50, also there are easy jobs on the site that do not drain you a lot psychically. We have this kid here who is not the brightest pencil in the box, he makes 2600e per month by just doing chores for us (cleaning,bringing tools, helping with stuff that does not involve using your head.

this roach gets it

They should reduce taxes and get rid of welfare. Then make it legal to shoot people who violate the NAP.

>laughing as the course of nature gives you a free helicopter ride.

Just give businesses the option of selling out to the govt. Nationalize industries over 75% automation, it gives the industry owners the option of cashing out, and keeps innovation rolling by not removing the incentive to invent and progress technology. It also solves the problem of people not wanting to do anything and sponge because it would only provide the most basic of necessities for those wishing not to work.

>Thinks that I live alone
>Thinks that that student loan will keep you alive for four years

Even after splitting the most basics of living expenses its expensive as hell. Don't try to deny that living flat rents are fucked up in southern Finland.
I bet you lucky boy still get a good ammount of financial support from your parents.

I mean that's easy money, you don`t spend anything to take it and so you spend this additional money much easier than your real income. I think inflation will grow and grow fast. So that people who take welfare for now will be in even worst situation than now.

The city I live in has the highest youth unemployment % last I heard and that's with the department that deals with those people making the numbers prettier.

There might be work down south but I can't afford to move there because I don't have any money to start with and the rent would be like 200€ more per month. I'm already paying 490€ and considering looking for a smaller/cheaper place because I can't really afford this.

A bunch of my friends are already dealing drugs on the side because they can't get enough from the government and they were lured into meme degrees by the schools. We have this thing where the media and the schools start forcing this idea that there's a lot of jobs in a certain field and once the people actually graduate that is no longer true so they get fucked.

Thats why UBI always has to be for natives only, no exceptions

Working in "bloated inefficient bureaucracies" actually is some kind of hidden welfare.

Fuck this, I just might reroll and choose plumping/contruction.

It's just that I'd rather be designing robots than (possibly) be replaced slowly by them in the future.

Send your mexicans there, they'll do it

I live in 964 euros flat in Helsinki with my girlfriend that we pay as students just fine, mate. Or as unemployed, or part time working or whatever. Our situstion has changed often, and the only thing I have been lacking is travel and hobbies. In the absolute rock bottom economic situation, I don't mind that.

Ofcourse its comfy, you or your boss has no incentive of profit to push you harder, my mom works in government too. Its like a dreamjob with an average pay.
A friend of mine managed to work 6 months in the local government and only doing acual work for 1 month, the rest of the time he just brought in a playstation into his office, nobody cared, its not their money.

Just make sure you get actual skills that can convert into real society once real workaholics like me stop paying taxes.

Learning about race is a good first step.

that sucks. I no nothing at all about the finnish economy, but hopefully you can sort it out. Its ridiculous that a person with a university degree cant make enough money to survive on. There needs to be a change somewhere.

I dont agree with you, but I always find it interesting how similar the politics of the republic look to our modern politics.

Quick, someone print pamphlets directing illegals to Finland and drop them over LA
We will complete something from Pres Trump's list for the cost of a trip to kinkos, reducing taxpayer cost

The government is more interested about selling our natural resources to the highest bidder. They're working very hard to sell 80% of our lakes and rivers to Nestle.

I think the whole idea is to give it automatically for everyone, so you dont need bureaucrats for thinking who gets it and who not.

Nice idea in theory, but this And this

Aye, it could be much, much worse. A student will be able to focus on studying on benefits alone. Even afford some luxury if he works part time AAAND doesn't fuck up by working too much and getting in trouble with KELA.

I'm just quite fed up with the constant calculating and having to prepare for a sudden massive expence. There are plenty of other things where the Finnish government can focus our tax money instead of saving the world.

Radical experiment. Hope it works out for them.

>Socialism

It's a prominent idea in libertarianism. This isn't 'to each according to his ability, to each according to his needs'; this is 'here you go, you're more or less sorted, now go forth and prosper--or don't.'

I spent some time shitposting but there's plenty of work and this is Germany so there are statistics and quotas to fill and some controlling, I can't just fuck around all day

This is disappointing if true.