Rich people should pay way more in taxes because they didn't get rich on their own...

Rich people should pay way more in taxes because they didn't get rich on their own, they got rich because of the rest of society. They wouldn't be so successful if it weren't for the rest of the society, so why not pay for it?

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Without rich people the rest of society wouldn't have jobs retard.

>Jews should pay way more in taxes because they didn't get rich on their own, they got rich because of exploiting White society. They wouldn't be so successful if it weren't for the rest of White society, so why not pay for it?

What about rich people getting rich in a shitty society, should (high crime, low education, etc) they pay less taxes now?

Here's a better idea, everyone pays the same tax percentage.

>I'm a retard with no semblance of how macro or micro econ works, nor any idea of what it takes to become extremely wealthy and successful through entrepreneurial endeavors

Please kill yourself. People like you are a cancer to progress. Piece of shit.

This, but modify it with a flat deduction applied equally to everyone to help offset basic living expenses

But that's not true at all. If a rich person designs a building or a new method for extracting ores, it is working class people who do all the hard work and labor. Without them the rich person would have nothing. And with no one to use the rich person's design then they would also have nothing.

They all ready do pay an insane amount in taxes great thread m8

Oh wow so they mutually benefit yet the rich person has to pay more cause reasons? Fuck off commie the rich are already taxed more you just want to suck them dry cause you are a lazy shit head.

Rich guy here. Not totally in love with this logic. Personally, I do think that rich folks should bear more tax burden...but more because we can afford it and other folks cant. Prolly not a popular opinion on Sup Forums. But america is a better place with some income distribution....my quality of life would be worse if i had a little more money but 80% of americans were living in squalor like some 3rd world shithole.

>income distribution
oops, meant wealth redistribution

Really rich Pearson could contract one service of heaven taxes, small business people get fucked for high taxes,means Really rich people never gat compentence.

High taxes for rich just hurt small businesses.

taxation is theft

Society got rich from this person's entrepreneurial abilities. Without this person's foresight and entrepreneurial skills (and sometimes existing capital) then a business wouldn't exist

I assume these are the types of rich people you are talking about hence your statement about "getting rich from the rest of society"

Shouldn't people be encouraged and rewarded to make more money rather than be financially punished? What if a lawmaker proposed that students who have a 4.0 GPA pay more in tuition that those who have a 3.0 GPA?

This. OP is either a teenager with no real understanding of the world, or a NEET with no real understanding of the world.

Rich people get rich by taking risk. Most fail many times over before they succeed. Just because you don't have the drive or willingness to take risk doesn't grant you the right to punish those who do and succeed.

Donald Trump pays more in property and payroll tax in one year than you will contribute over your whole lifetime.

Just an example of how retarded you are.

then you should have a tax rate of 80%, since you don't produce that much individually and the rest of society is propping you up.

and since we've already gone that far, why don't we just up your tax rate to 100% and force you to work? and why don't we make you work in a prison styled work camp?

this would be fair, wouldn't it comrade?

For shame OP, opposing the 1% is opposing 42% of the Jewish community.

What does the US treasury have to do with the rest of society?

The rich shouldn't be taxed. They've done more to earn their place in the world than poor people have.

I am not rich but i still manage to pay for a maid once a week. My boss does okay but is not rich and he gives me a job.

Small loan of a million dollars from my father

The rich should just start paying taxes in general. No need for any higher percentages.

Poor people should not be allowed to go without working. This is a society after all and society needs everyone to pitch in for the betterment of all, so it only makes sense to seend these jobless Neets to work camps.

i wouldn't mind rich people being taxed, the problem is the government spending like nothing else.

take the festering shitpile that is social security/medicare/SNAP/etc in the US. almost nobody that actually NEEDS it gets it, and there is a very large group of people that rely on it to get out of work. these people are burdens, and they are being assisted by the government.

if we were to strike out almost all social programs (at least federal ones in both my country, yours and the US) and just leave it to individual cities and states, that'd be great. at that point i would genuinely approve rich people paying the majority of taxes. the catch is that they'd be paying something like 1-2% of what they do now, aka almost nothing.

then lower taxes so they have less maneuvering room to avoid taxes. when it gets to the point where they'd save more money by just paying taxes instead of paying accountants, you'll get a higher tax revenue.

Rich people DO pay way more taxes.

Nobody should get any tax write-offs. Not rich people, not poor people, not parents, not married couples. If everyone paid taxes and nobody got a free ride we wouldn't be needing to charge some people more because others get to pay nothing.

Yes, faggot, it's called a flat tax rate.

>Rich people should pay way more in taxes because they didn't get rich on their own
poor people should get everything free because they didn't get poor on their own.

Is there any relevant country where the rich don't pay "way more" taxes in absolute ?

Even without some moralizing argument it makes sense. if we imagine even the most minimalistic of governments, if I need to get 5000$ from everybody to build a powerful enough to ensure security, clearly some people can't afford the 5000$ so somebody will have to pay for them if we don't want to compromise security.

As for the argument, I'm not so sure, they got rich becuase people freely accepted to exchange money for a product, so they already pay back society by providing them with the goods they want.

>passing on wealth to your children is a bad thing

I genuinely hope every last parasite like yourself dies a painful death. You're a fucking idiot and will probably be a poor, repulsive, unsuccessful whiny faggot for the rest of your shitty life.

I completely agree.
It's why Denmark is a much better and safer society for all classes of people than USA.

if you take the very 0.1% wealthiest (which most people do because they can't comprehend liquidity) in any given society generally they give barely nothing compared to the 99.9%, but once you compare the 1% to the 99% the 1% pay a larger amount of taxes. it comes down to having wealth in companies and so on vs working for a wage or salary.

>Shitmark
>highest suicide rates in the western world
>much better society

Kill yourself.

No need to rush him, he'll do it soon enough.

>I have no fucking idea how economy works, please give me the gibs :DD :^)))

Neck yourself

They already pay way more in taxes you useless sack of meat.

True

the irony

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
You're 50, we're 82..
How does it feel to fail so hard? I've never tried that before.

Rich people should have to pay their "fair share" in taxes which is 30% + a possible 5% state tax. They also pay heavy real estate tax and their massive purchases should have 5-7% sales tax.

That's less than they are currently taxed in the USA where people complain that they don't pay enough. We don't need more taxation on the rich, we need to abolish the loopholes that let the richest rich avoid them.

>Wikipedia

Can't say I'm surprised. Enjoy your shitty life, poorfag.

I genuinely pity you. It must be painful to be so retarded.

>30% + 5%
okay that's personal, so the absolute richest people that you obviously want to hit (the billionaires) don't actually have much in personal income. maybe a few million a year. so really, you're hitting highly trained professionals with this tax, not billionaires.

>heavy real estate tax
if you raise this, or even keep it at what it's currently at, you are just giving billionaires a larger budget to pay accountants and tax lawyers with. they WILL avoid your taxes, if they can shave off 20 million dollars in real estate tax by giving all of their money to lawyers, they will. that's an apartment block right there.

>5-7% sales tax
i really hope you have no exemptions, for anyone, ever in this domain, because otherwise you'll suddenly get billionaires turning into philanthropists and selling their apartment blocks with no sales taxes, with the clause that they'll allow homeless people to have a BBQ out the front every month or something.

>We don't need more taxation on the rich, we need to abolish the loopholes that let the richest rich avoid them.
if you do this you will simply force everyone to take their wealth offshore, or otherwise avoid ever telling you they have it. in effect, you'll get a bunch of ghost billionaires and a near instant collapse of your economy. or they'll just use other people to do their bidding while they get blowjobs from thai girls and will be rich regardless, now you have less investment in your country.

good job mr commie, when do i report to the gulag?

They should be encouraged to give back, but not at the point of a gun through state sanctioned theft like you mean.

What a great response.
Greentext wikipedia, you win.

>You're not taxing people enough
>You're a communist
>Check flag
The system I brought up is the currently existing American tax system, -3% on personal income and closing some loopholes.

The rich do pay the majority of taxes.

>I'm a faggot I'm a faggot I'm a faggot

Why do you do this to yourself?

kek confirms

That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on pol


Way to go you so so so stupid fuck

I mean seriously I've read some stupid shit but this takes the trophy

You should be embarrassed

And above your boss is someone richer making it so all you have those possibilities. Fuck off leaf, how can adult leafs be this stupid?

you need to reread my post, i'm explaining what is currently happening in the american economy, and what will happen if you try to "close loopholes" (aka exemptions, you people are just like gun grabbers in your rhetoric, it's not robbery it's undocumented retrieval of assets).

the ONLY solution to what's going on right now is deregulation. lower the tax rate across the board and you'll see an increase in tax revenue.

Lmao not an argument. Good job commie retard kid.

what gives you the right to take other peoiples money without their consent?

if you can decide how much of their money belongs to the state, do they really own it?

am I a frogposter because of society?

i deserve free tendies

>all loopholes are exemptions
You really don't understand what's going on in the USA, do you? I'm all for exemptions, I use them. Trump's 1995 tax return scandal where he used an exemption to cover his taxes for 18 years was fine, he lost 1b (that he earned and was taxed on) on a business deal and wrote it off until he earned 1b back. Simple, acceptable. The loopholes I'm talking about is where they simply avoid paying the tax at all, without losses or industry-needed expenses.

Pretty sure people have always had jobs regardless of rich people

Like 150,000 years of history backing me
Now eat my ass you retard troll

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look. at this retard lmao

go back to reddi.t socialist scum

This is stupid if you try to tax wealthy people too much they'll just move to a country or state who won't tax them as much

Oh yes you want to live like its 150,000 years ago then get off Sup Forums retard. Yeah you'd have a job picking berries and chasing down animals while some alpha invents the bow, fucks your women, and gets more berries cause he just improved society tenfold while you're just a stupid peon.

>Without them the rich person would have nothing
source? haha I know it wont come because this is the last post you make in this thread shill

You just proved his point, idiot.
>rich people create jobs for people
>b-but that's not true! If a rich person designed something, people will be doing labor based around it!!

hey I'm balding and I agree with OP. Resources should be redistributed.

Still waiting on all these long haired commie faggots to shave their heads for equality. Not like a statham shave, like a cul de sac in solidarity with the oppressed members of the balding class.

>Your intelligent investments and/or ideas are the product of a bunch of brain dead retards that you need to share the country with

But they are using way less than poorfags.
Rich people don't need sponsored medicare, they don't need public transport, they don't need welfare, they don't need state sponsored lawyers, they don't need public schools, etc.

And they got rich because they've had exceptional talent in some field.

You lost faggot, get over it.

>Rich people should pay way more in taxes
They already pay tons in tax. How much more do you want?

Don't feed the trolls/shills/mega autists

Reading comprehension = F
Want to argue = A

Good job
Shit troll is shit

Then start your own country only with rich intelligent bankers. Let's see how that turns out

Kek

well someonne needs a heli i,ride

That's actually a good allegory. If every person was forced to cut their hair down to an average length and that cut off hair was transplanted to every balding man, Everybody would have a beautiful hair line.

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that many rich people got to where they are now thanks to their work/investments and putting them in the same bag as people who inherited or who made unfair profit off of others in society like OP suggests is a really retarded thing to do.

You're a faggot, faggot. Kill yourself.

no they don't, the middle class does.

So basically one rich guy who got rich by inventing something useful should not benefit from his exclusive threat, so a lot of unskilled labor people could benefit?

I'm all for it if it could be demonstrated that with a bad hairline also came poor health, malnutrition, crime etc.

Ok wait hold up you're a fucking retard

Rich people should pay more in taxes because the nation must put the interests of all citizens above the wants of any particular group.

Or to put it another way, there is incontrovertible evidence that rich people do not 'trickle down' the wealth and that their spending and investment patterns do not promote economic growth for any nation. It is proven that nation states need to take the wealth from the rich and invest it (or spend it on infrastructure and so on) in order to make that wealth productive for the nation. This results in economic growth and more riches for all.

And the very bottom line is that excessive hoarding by rich people is the tinder that the likes of Lenin throw their sparks on to ignite and create raging fires.

if everyone is paying 10% the rich are still paying more

Er, no. That is an obvious myth. Plenty of very rich people got that way through luck rather than judgement, and plenty more only have talent for criminality.

But in reality these rich people just going to move their companies (with jobs) offshore to less retarded countries, and your retarded high tax country would succ. Plain and simple.

If they are criminals, detain them, obviously.
Is it really a myth that rich people take less from the government? Why should they contribute more while taking less? How does it benefit them to invest in your country then?

Tell it to Donald Trump. His vow to punish US companies that move jobs overseas is paying large dividends. Ford ain't investing in Mexico now, it is investing in the US.

Lol troll commie or just retarded, cn't even argue and wants society to be shitty with crappiest low tier jobs in existence. Good one, commie like you should be stripped down and shipped off to deserted islands. Then you'd love oh so much to have those things rich peolle made possible for you.

Basically yes, rich men would just be another man if they were born on a desert island, the mere fact they were born into a position where they have the opportunity to become wealthy is why they have the duty and obligation to "pay it forward". Anyone who says otherwise is just a moron and shouldn't be taken seriously

Ford's decision had nothing to do with Trump, their CEO had been pretty clear on that.

We would see how it would play out, but I don't think that there would be no way around these things.

Rich people should pay less in taxes because they are successful and you don't punish success.

But on the island they would contribute just to themselves, while in the society they are working towards the needs of society. They didn't use anything that you had not been using, so why should you take more from them then from other members of society?
How is poorfag living on a welfare benefits less from a society than a rich man who can afford anything?

>Why should they contribute more while taking less?

Because they are citizens of the nation. If they wish to take their chances without the power of the nation to defend them and their wealth then they should do so. See how long they last before being swallowed up by some gangster or by some predatory nation.

The lessons are all there in history. British history shows it very well. Britain swallowed up the riches of the weak and built a strong nation. But failing to properly invest in the entire population was our downfall from 1914 onwards.

And they use less. They don't need welfare, they don't need medicare, they don't need public schools, etc.

Yeah right, and you believe the CEO of Ford on that?

Do you believe everything you are told by rich people?

Your retarded plans of taxing private stuff basically created the US, idiots.
That's what happens when you punish success - it turns out that success doesn't need you in the end, it is you who needs it.

Taxation is theft i would alow child labor if i was in charge and remove all zoning laws

absolutely horrendous post

>we should transfer the one and only objective measure of success from the people who were the most successful to the people who can make as much of the objective measure as they want out of thin air, but who are themselves totally unsuccessful, repeatedly, without fail
what could go wrong

Trump is not a president yet. Even if his future presidency contributed to the decision it wouldn't be the sole factor at play.
There is no evidence that shows otherwise