Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Nathan Jones
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Hunter Johnson
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Juan Brooks
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Grayson Walker
Anyone with questions or curiosities, feel free to ask them.
Henry Smith
I had this conversation with an Australian user some time ago, he organised a poll of the political views of Sup Forums and also asked us what was our ideal political system. The group I belong to proposes the form of State organization I described in my comments, the ones in red. I'm asking for some opinions on both his and our ideas.
Benjamin Perez
I think you're in the right place, I agree with what you are advocating for for your country. I've been going about the same thing as well, how fascism would work in my country.
Camden Thompson
A few things that I wanted opinions on, since I think they would seem unusual for a fascist government:
1.- The leading office of the executive branch of the government is taken by three people and they are elected democratically.
Jonathan Sanders
How long would their terms be? And would the process of Democratic elections continue to be held?
Mason Stewart
A problem we saw in previous fascist governments is that they where too dependent on their figureheads, it seemed like they would have some problem continuing without them, most of those leaders appeared to have the intention of staying in power until their deaths and the issue of the succession was apparently not considered.
By dividing leadership in three people no one takes the protagonism, no one is so fundamentally important that the project, can't go on without him.
David Young
The terms would be of six years. the election would not be like the ones we see nowadays anywhere, votes have different values and people are divided in three classes each electing one of the leaders.
John Edwards
So each class votes for its leader?
Noah Rogers
Bump
Eli Nelson
Yes, but they must manage the government together. Just like the roman consuls they can veto each others decisions, the fact that there are three of them means that there will always be a majority of them either approving or denying any given decision, which also makes said decisions more legitimate in the eyes of the general public when taken to accion.
Aaron Bennett
What will the economic system be? And hm, it seems your going for a sort of "quasi-fascist" state.
Noah Green
Corporatism.
There would be a chamber of industries where the plans to organize the economy, as per the basic principles described in this screen capture, would be drawn.
Colton Davis
Interesting, so in terms of fascist Corporatism everything would operate the same? The state still regulating corporates and their products?
Eli Rodriguez
I have almost no written material on the economical theories of fascism. My university is by no means a backwards hive of Marxism like most of the ones in the USA, but it almost seems like information on this subject was either never collected or actively suppressed, the faculty of economy has no book on the subject and the professors I asked simply said the knew nothing of the issue. I have however a copy of Mussolini's "the corporatist state" is pretty much all I have read about this.
Cooper Jones
Where does Christianity fit into fascism? Do they oppose each other? How do we attack egalitarianism, especially to normies?
Sebastian Baker
Leaders of industries and representatives of labor unions would postulate members of this chamber. they would make the plans based in their first hand knowledge of the state of each particular industry. But, as I described here , these plans and every other law would require analysis by the intellectual class and approval by scientific consensus. the final project would require approval by the majority of the Consuls.
This is similar to the current legislative process in Mexico: Chamber of deputies -> chamber of senators -> presidential approval.
Ryder Collins
Not at all, each fascist society has placed some form of Christianity as the state religion. Christianity is a natural safeguard against degenarcy and instiller of good morals, the fascist state does not require you to be religiously faithful to god however, only to atleast be religious in your morals.
Hudson Sanders
I remember Rivera noted Falangism was a supporter of the Catholic Church and Catholicism's influence on Spain and Spanish culture but that they were fine with religious freedom.
Xavier Hughes
Interesting, if you're hoping for this to become a party I can see how you've made your system to attract people, it wont completely turn off people by using a full fascist plan. It couldn't be very possible for you to win democratically, I am guessing you would assume an authoritarian stance than a totalitarian one.
No where here do you define what the word fascism means
What is fascism?
Caleb Torres
I believe that widespread acceptance of military values by our population is the only thing that could save Mexico, but we also need to get them to cooperate, The workers and their patrons are too distanced from each other and an undeniable hostility between them has formed over the years. We need to direct our message to both groups and ensure them that their interests will be looked after.
Jayden Murphy
If fascism had been invented in an English speaking country instead of Italy, would it be called faggotism?
James Perry
But those are defining fascism, fascism goes so much more beyond a simple definition. Which would be "a strong ultra nationalistic authoritative or totalitarian state"
Ian Rodriguez
Economic colapse when? Its inevitable, only after can fascism rise again
Angel Adams
Do u have any phone wallpapers of Il Duce? Or anything fascism?
Indeed, a complete fascist rule is not always needed. And to the rest of the world, you'd most likely be called "fascist" anyways. It seems you are blending many elements form fascism into your countrys current system, changing and tweaking a few other things. But that is what fascism is meant for, to be molded and crafted to suit every countrys needs and situations.
Luke Diaz
hitler did so much meth and that shit is so awesome
Soon my friend, the midst of a resurrection is most definitely upon us.
Julian Young
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Eli Thomas
Indeed, fascism most important element, other than militarism, is an strict adherence and identification with national identity, but said identity can be radically different between two countries, or even in the same country in two different times.
Mason Nelson
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Elijah King
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Owen Perez
Indeed, for my country I've come to the conclusion that the current constitution will either have to be completely done away with or heavily heavily rewritten. Our founding fathers were classical liberals, they founded my country off the basis of a free liberal society and individualism, and well, we see where that has gotten us.
Hudson Ramirez
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Charles Lewis
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Caleb Richardson
How many times the US constitution has been amended?
Adrian Bailey
Nothing like to the extent I am talking about, like I said a completely new draft may even be necessary.
David Lewis
I miss Salazar every day Angola is ours
Brody Diaz
It would be a way to tell how different it is now compared to it's original program. We recently reached 700 amendments.
Christian Walker
What is he remembered for in Portugal?
Landon Ward
I'm going to give you a tip OP. That quote about corporatism is confirmed fake, if you investigate a bit you'll find it was invented by a woman journalist for the NYT in the late 80s or 90s.
Justin Williams
That depends. If you ask the media or the communists, he is literally Hitler.
For the rest of the population, he was a great leader who was leading the country to greatness, who always had the well being of the country first, the one and only politic who died poor, although a bit hard on the censorship.
Facts speak louder than opinions, and the truth is that Portugal has been in a steep decline ever since the end of the regime.
Isaiah Smith
700 amendments? Damn that's quite the number, and yes it would, a comparison.
Dylan Green
Which one? The first one at the top?
Carson Baker
Ironic considering he disliked Hitler
Jason Allen
How could we reach this goal? What are the ideological precursors that push a society to our end goal? What do we need to push above all else? How do we organize without being instantly dead on arrival? Where has groups like the KKK or communities like Stormfront gone wrong?
Oliver Taylor
I don't know. He ordered the flags to be flown at half mast when he knew about Hitler's death. He was a very neutral man about that whole situation. A genious and a leader like we will never have again. He managed to stay neutral during the war, and influence Spain to do so.
Evan Kelly
Can a fascist system maintain the idea of democracy in a way that allows the people to have a say in government? Maybe only people who have earned the right to vote and show they have a love for their country and hold the same nationalistic values that should be expected.
The only thing I don't like in a fascist system is the idea of an autocracy and the leader abusing the strong government to go against the wishes of the people and go mad with power.
Josiah Powell
Any good books on fascist monetary policy?
Jeremiah Ward
KKK and groups like stormfront have done it wrong in the way they are strictly white nationalists, there has to be more to it than that. For us I'd recommend creating a group and laying out fascist ideals, without saying its fascist. That way you can have a higher chance at attracting people, and then once you have a considerable amount of people. Maybe you could let a few of them know what its really all about.
Camden Wood
Most likely out of respect, he personally disliked Hitlers promotion of pagan symbols within the reich. And Spain? Well, they definitely heavily supported germany with troops and air support on the eastern front, with the blue Division.
Parker Lewis
Maybe so, that is the only thing that was never really considered in fascism. Who would succeed the current leader and how, the system you proposed could sound like it'd work.
Robert Bailey
Do you mean like the economic system, Corporatism?
Sebastian Long
Anotger depression, mass unemployment from automation, and racial tensions are all looming. I will not be surprised at all too see a totalitarian movement come forward. Hopefully it will be nowhere near as bloody as the last century.
Justin Evans
Yeah, Salazar was heavily Catholic. "God, Motherland, Family " was his motto.
Well, Spain did support Germany, but that was as far as they went, instead of full support (as Salazar feared). We also supported the allies, while making deals with Germany.
Jack Robinson
Yes.
Sebastian Green
Indeed, Salazar completely kept it neutral between both sides. Although maybe Portugal and spain joining the axis would've meant the better for the world. But at the time it was difficult, Portugal having the alliance with Britain and all.
Matthew Hall
I know of one but I can't remember the name of it right now, I can just recommend reading the doctrines of fascism though and read the chapters talking about the corporate system.
Brandon Reyes
Yeah, Portugal would never betray the alliance with Britain, even though it would have probably benefited us in the long run.
Zachary Flores
Unfortunately with the amount of enemies that would oppose us, violence would have to be used. And we'd have to win, to finally end these brother wars.
Jack Foster
Indeed, how is the situation in Portugal today?
Justin Lewis
Shitty. The country is turning more communist everyday, SJW are starting to appear. Currently we are led by a coalition of the left wing parties. It is a great country, led by terrible people. Low wages, old population, the interior of the country is neglected. People only vote for the same parties (PSD and PS) One is supposedly center right, and the other center left. Both of them are lefties, comparing to many countries. We have no real right wing.
Jose Flores
Thats terrible to hear, is there any hope for the future? Any possible candidate or movement going on?
Gabriel Powell
The only "true" right wing party we have is the PNR, a meme party that feels like controlled opposition. There is no candidate or movement that I am aware of.
Ryan Campbell
Don't lose hope user, the worsening of things is what may be needed, to eventually lead to a social and economic collapse. And a chance to start anew
Michael Miller
I really hope so. Right now I dont see the situation getting better though. I just hope I can see it turn back to the good old days during my life time.
Jack Murphy
Fucking finally with al these left and centrist faggs i thought this board was lost forever.Sieg heil brother.
Angel Brooks
Ha, don't we all. I can only pray we something as glorious and awe inspiring as to what was born after ww1, if I could even witness anything slightly resembling that, I'd be beyond satisfied.
Levi Anderson
Heil brother, long live Codreanu, we'll never forget what they did to him, and what he fought for.
Ayden Perry
Bump
Andrew Garcia
It's rare to find a mexifag that's not either a leftie or a diehard capitalist
Jacob Fisher
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Alexander Barnes
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Connor Scott
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Jacob Sanchez
Recently I discovered that my great grandfather was part of the military when the Falange Española was formed and that got me curious about what fascism truly is. I only had heard it was kind of like the polar oposite of communism and barely anything else. It's really interesting to see that there's a whole lot to it more than that vision of KILL AL THE KIKES/NIGGERS/MINORITIES that everybody seems to have about it
