Authoritarian or Libertarian

Pick one and explain your reasoning.

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Libertarian

You leave me alone and I'll leave you alone

What about muh degeneracy?

Ex-Libertarian who has turned full on helicopter enthusiast and Zyklon B salesman. Hanging out on here for too long can do some crazy shit. I only see Libertarianism as furthering our issues where the elite can run rampant and continue to desecrate our society without punishment. The few people in government who are trying to keep them in check is important.

Probably authoritarian. Most people I encounter daily are mentally handicapped and need their hand held with everything. They wouldn't function without a strong guiding hand giving them purpose.

How do you establish an authoritarian gov't in the 21st century? Wouldn't absolutely everyone oppose you? If you're a Sup Forumsitician but decide to go libertarian how do you combat cuckoldry?

Authoritarian in a 1 to 1 choice.
I'm a minarchist, but I'd rather live in with benevolent dictatorship than among filth, in a hypothetical situation. I just don't think benevolent dictatorship is really possible.

Authoritarianism requires competent individuals to rule over everyone. Humans are inherently retarded and giving them power is a mistake.

As an American I'd pick Libertarian. Any of my fellow countrymen who unironically pick Authoritarian are traitors.

Authoritarian because rules set us free.

There are many american fascists that have messaged me, telling me to join them.

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FPBP

I kind of want to be libertarian since it's closer to reality and people would more easily accept it, but honest question: What would you do about le degeneracy?

If you're being degenerate and not pushing it onto me, why would I care?

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You don't just establish one, especially in a first world country. My authoritarian views are more mental masturbation than anything. However there are a few paths in which an authoritarian government could take place, I will use America as an example and keep in mind this is me just spitballing, and it would be much more complex. First, you have a populist president who was elected by the majority. Second, you must have an insurrection of the minority against the majority in which the majority feel oppressed, and they view their only solace as government protection. Third, some form of long standing martial law is declared, and the federal government reigns and does not step down. Now, I do not see a permanent authoritarian government happening in the US long term, ever. Period. However, if things keep going the way they are and normies start to realize who and what is actually keeping them down, there is a possibility of a short term authoritarian regime in which those responsible for the downfall of western society are punished. It will never happen in the US and muh rope day, but I could see prison sentences for some of the elites. Maybe not with Trump, but I can see more fringe governments coming to power in the next 20-30 years. For example, I am in my mid-twenties and most of my friends from college are left-leaning. However my brother who is 19 is a staunch authoritarian right like me, and so are all his friends. I think the younger generation is starting to view Authoritarianism as a alternative solution to society's problems... even if it does not solve all of them. Remember, Gen Z is the same generation that grew up under the patriot act and does not remember going through airport security without the TSA. They have become complacent with big government, and they don't fear it as much as millennials or other generations.

That's fine until everyone around you is parading degenerate behaviour and your own daughter starts tweeting "BBC only whitebois gtfo".

lurk moar

This would include taxing the rich and creating restraints for for businesses to stop them from creating monopolies. I have no problems with creating monopolies just that those who do have the money tend to abuse it if they could be trusted i would have no problem but they can't.

>came for the rare pepe
>left because nothing really interesting going on

None of ye business

Then she'll be a slave for sale, done. Solved.

Authoritarian, people need to be put in line

Authoritarian.

Freedom cannot protect itself. To a degree, people must be forced to embrace freedom. Look at the current democratic party. This is a party based upon taking away your individual rights for the "benefit" of the collective. The DNC is not some government organization, it is made of your own fellow citizens who willingly and knowingly throw away their rights and yours.

Libertarians have no teeth to defend themselves from these kinds of threats, because to really stop them would be to impose your will on them, which is against libertarian "live and let live" philosophy. This is not right. Our government should take serious, proactive steps to stomp out movements that seek to strip us of our rights.

To establish flow of leadership.

Authoritarian.

Humans are worthless and need to be told what to do by men with conviction and strength. The alternative is chaos and madness and there is empirical evidence to support this.
Just look at the inner cities in all of the US. Statistics are incapable of bias when performed correctly.

Not to mention the fact that letting worthless parasites breed and do whatever what they want lowers quality of life for the entire human race. All of western civilization is falling apart because of "Liberty" and the the powers that be abusing it to poison entire societies with psychotic animals that murder, steal, and rape. Liberty is a tool for evil and I cannot be convinced otherwise.

TL;DR
Humans can't be trusted with freedom. The evidence is mounting by the day.

Libertarian. Autheritarianism is only nice as long as someone likeminded is in power.

>degenerate behaviour of my children is not my business
Really made me think

Most libertarians support fascism out of the fact without a cleanse of faggot commies there is no way that a libertarian system could be put into place. I'm a NatSoc. I think we need to socialize education to indoctrinate more into the right. Maybe socializing medicine to deny medical care to the left. This would actually be good for future.

>Why not both
As long as it makes a man kek

>not going full AnSnek and picking both

>hivemind
Please tell me more

Well, it's your business till she's 18 (That is while she's yours). Afterwards she's another human being responsible for her own fuckups and misery. The fact that she's doing it voluntarily means that she wants it, and if that's the case then there's not much you can do.
People were degenerates in authoritarian regimes for ages, stop trying.

By the way, degeneracy is kind of subjective.

for libertarianism to truly work, degenerates and those who encourage degenerate lifestyles need to be physically removed from society (preferably via one-way helicopter ride)

Libertarian.

Degeneracy isn't a problem - true degeneracy will swallow itself from the inside.

Like we never tried doing that

Authoritarian.

Libertarians enjoy the freedom and culture that an ordered society created.

She would always be my daughter regardless of age. Would you like it if your son was a junkie, even if he's a self standing adult?

Sounds about right

We could do it again, this time with a real holocaust.

Authoritarian. Reality sucks; libertarianism will always fall to psychopaths and jews. Authoritarianism at least has a chance if the leader is competent (like Trump), and if the leader is incompetent (aka jew or psycho) he can be brought down; it's much harder to bring down a bazillion imported shitskins let in by psychos and jews (especially when your people have been weakened and corrupted by said psychos and jews).

Ethnic NatSoc is the way to go, period.

Binary thinking is weak as fuck.

Both philosophies are flawed. For certain things you can have "managed liberty". I'm thinking of the economy here. An economy should be managed to give the maximum freedom while also cutting down on the bad things that come with that freedom like monopolies, asset-stripping, and the rich hiding everything off shore.

Others you can go laissez-faire, e.g. freedom of speech and assembly, crimes where the only victim is the perpetrator like drug abuse, etc. Look to the most based century, the 19th century, for inspiration.

Still others - particularly immigration - you need to go maximum Korean Workers Party insane on.

Capitalism is the tool of the Jew.
t. Goebbels

Cant talk for the moose but tribalism sounds pretty funny and as a positive nihilist I like to laugh watching the world burn

>She would always be my daughter regardless of age. Would you like it if your son was a junkie, even if he's a self standing adult?

Nobody would like that. That's why you need to raise your children correctly. Junkies are people who are running from crippling emotional damage, almost always sustained in childhood. If your child is a junkie look in the mirror for the reasons.

>Well, it's your business till she's 18 (That is while she's yours). Afterwards she's another human being responsible for her own fuckups and misery. The fact that she's doing it voluntarily means that she wants it, and if that's the case then there's not much you can do.
That's got to be the most cucked thing I've ever read.

If only parenting was as influental as it once was, nowadays children go to schools and watch TV for their social education (read: brainwashing).

>She would always be my daughter regardless of age. Would you like it if your son was a junkie, even if he's a self standing adult?

Naw. That's just your emotional attachment. Sorry that you and your offspring are weak.

>We could do it again, this time with a real holocaust.

lol good luck

in a libertarian society, people would homeschool or send their children to a school they've already checked out to make sure it teaches values they want instilled

why do people arguing against libertarianism always assume that no actual libertarian ideas will be implemented and it'll just be the same liberal democracy we have now except with weed and child prostitutes

>Naw. That's just your emotional attachment. Sorry that you and your offspring are weak.
Is it somehow wrong to be emotionally attached to the future of your bloodline? Is it my fault that society might teach my children that they must miscegenate?

refer to This is actually good. Here's a rare pepe.

Don't debate morality, it leads nowhere.

It is not your fault and not your business.

No commies or fascist commies....all for political incorrectness.

>not your fault
Which is why I intend to eliminate the risk
>not your business
I beg to differ

>It is not your fault and not your business
But it's his business if he's not doing anything wrong, according to you. But then how do you know what is wrong if you won't debate morality?

>why do people arguing against libertarianism always assume that no actual libertarian ideas will be implemented and it'll just be the same liberal democracy we have now except with weed and child prostitutes
homeschooling is legal in america; very few people do it. weed is illegal, tons of people do it. i cant speak for prostitution.
Most people are not responsible moral adults, and therefor are tools for the corrupt to use against libertarianism.

>homeschooling is legal in america; very few people do it
Depends on your definition of very few. Also with the high amount of fuckups and shutins online/independent studying is getting popular.

Paleo-conservative is the true patrician choice

Good point. This is a big problem.

TV isn't needed. Over here if we have one we have to pay a license fee to fund the BBC. I don't want to pay for the privilege of being brainwashed so I got rid of mine about 8 years ago. Got a projector, DVDs are cheap like vinyl records were in the 90s. It's great: no adverts, no tv news, and I have plenty of time for other shit.

Education is harder to avoid. It's pretty much one of the reasons I dropped out of being an employee and built my own company. When I have kids I'll be able to send them private. Plenty of private schools in the UK are conservative.

But we want our kids to be able to think for themselves. The best way to do that is to expose them to both sides of the debate. If you teach them logic, reason, good morals and not to go with the crowd they'll hopefully be able to figure it out for themselves. Which is what they'll have to do anyway, because you can't control them forever.

This will lead to debating morality in which no real arguments can be made. I disregard morality and just Occams razor unnecessary parts away. The result is a logically sound system.

If it is truly degeneracy then it will kill you. I won't save you and I win. Also I get to do what I want and if I am smarter than you (which for most values of you is true) it was right for me to do what I did and you didn't stop me.

Beause those debates end up with arguments like
>"You're degenerate just because"
>"These behaviours are degenerate just because"
>"[blank] just because"

The point being that arguments are not made in moral debates

Fuck who cares if they function? Let em die. I don't want to live in a romper room.

The problem is that most people will join forces and you'll get stumped while they establish a communist gov't or some other cringe bullshit. You cannot just alienate most of society.

If you feel morality is useless that's your opinion. A strict and beneficial morality would do much good in any society.

irrefutable logic which has doomed this thread. stormfags will hide and ignore.

Authoritarian

I know cuckery when I see it and as a Swede I'm obliged to worship it.

To prevent this:

1) Close borders because we're having a welfare state ( see below ) and welfare states are impossible with open borders.

2) Give GENEROUS welfare to degenerates. Make them comfortable. On condition that they accept surgical sterilization.

They never get the numbers (or the will) to start their commie revolution. I am still free to do what I want. Nobody is starving on the streets or fomenting marxist terrorism.

These authoritarians need to try living in China for a while

>On condition that they accept surgical sterilization.
Is that realistic though?

Nobody's forcing them. They can remain fertile and get no welfare.

Maybe even expand old age social security into this. Old fuckers don't want to make babies anyway.

You will get menopausal women eligible for early 'retirement' though.

>cherrypicking
>an argument
Pick one rusfriend

Authoritarian. People don't actually want freedom, and people only really understand force. 'Liberty' breeds comfort and hedonism and ultimately nihilism and degeneration. A strong society requires a strong state or strong moral code (like religion) to keep in check animalistic behaviour incompatible with civilization.

I guess that explains why Americans don't have any culture.

Libertarian.
Preferably moderate right libertarian.

I'm sick of commie thieves in the government.
Whether they wear a red star or a yellow one.
And i'm sick of """"""""""""nationalists"""""""""""" who are just commies in a nationalist skin.

Pic related is literally the only good leader in the last 70 years, sadly he was in coalition with the yellow SJW commies and they brought him down, used him as a scapegoat and bought themselves 4 more years in office.

Traditionalism. It includes both.

Libertarianism ignores human nature as much as authoritarian communism does.

Yes, the men who create do so with will and force.

>that pic

Either. Some cultures probably do better with strong leaders. For some people a more lax political hierarchy could suffice. Universalist proscriptions of political economy are the pits. Let Singapore be Singapore let Alaska be Alaska. It takes all kind to make the world go round and team work makes the dream but don't take my word for it!

Authoritarian, because someone needs to keep these niggers in line.

Push non-degeneracy, and the degenerate losers will fall about because they're unable to feed themselves.

Authoritarian
Fuck you I wont leave any shitskin alone I dont care if they are literally "gud bois who work hard" you dont belong here.

Authoritarianism is for cuckolded submissive bootlicker manchildren

Only a nigerian, technocratic Union of Socialist Libertarian Khanates with the Ideology of Anarchism will save the west

hoppian libertarian
for the survival of libertarianism we need to physically remove of existence communists,collectivists,immigrants and faggots

Fuck you. The founding fathers would go full 14//88 if they saw what the world has become.

Libertarian and anarchocapitalist.