It's Official: Japanese is the hardest language to learn

Japanese is the hardest language to learn for a native english speaker, U.S. Government Confirms

theculturetrip.com/asia/japan/articles/the-10-most-difficult-languages-in-the-world/
>>According to the Foreign Service Institute, Japanese is the most difficult language for a native English speaker to learn
state.gov/m/fsi/

Would YOU learn the world's hardest language, user?

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no because im not a racist bigot

is this political user

i did and wish i could trade it for chinese since japanese disgust me now

>What makes Japanese harder than Mandarin?

Mandarin is tonal based, but this is not actual difficulty. Tone difference is good because it allows you to seperate words based on how they are spoken.

Japanese? Not the case. Different words share the same tones, so you have to THINK and use CONTEXT.

That context makes it extremely challenging to learn, as you are required to use your brain at all times. This is enough to push it over mandarin in difficulty.

Other than that, the grammar system is innately more complex than Chinese, featuring more exceptions and weird quirks than even english does.

People who insist chinese is harder simply haven't tried learning japanese.

I would try, but without someone to bounce questions and learn and talk to, it just seems like an uphill battle with no benefit for me.

As someone who took it in college and then gave the fuck up, yup, I believe it. One of our professors had been studying it for 20 years and had only JUST passed the final test in order to be considered fluent.

N1?

>N1
>Fluent

N1 is high school level japanese. It's only the beginning of your japanese career.

After you get the N1 you need to get Kentei 1 profiency before you can talk about being fluent.

Your japanese roadmap should look something like this
>Pass N4 (N5 is for pussies)
>Pass N3
>Pass N2
>Pass N1
>Take EJU if going to nip university
>Kentei 3
>Kentei 2
>Kentei 1
>get nip college degree or work visa
>you are now japanese

Really? More than even arabic or Chinese?

As someone who used to know Chinese as a kid, Japanese seems like more of a challenge to learn. Grammar is far more difficult, more than one way to pronounce most kanji, honorifics, etc.

No its not... Shit is easier than russian, spanish, chinese.

>Foreign Service Institute
Who?

Japanese is not even close to being the hardest language to learn, try Finnish or something

>implying high schoolers aren't fluent in their own language

you're being retarded

based on my experience with students, chinese is easier to learn but harder to learn well, japanese is harder to learn but there's not a lot of leveling up once you're past the rudiments

>日本語
>難易度の一番高い言語

Good luck at learning Czech, the only thing that makes Japanese hard is writing.

>muh anime
>muh traditional pure eastern aryan waifu

What's the big deal with context anyway? You have to use context in english as well and I had no trouble with it.
It's not that hard to think about what you're talking about.

You're currently sitting in front of a device that sends information with lightning speed all over the world. It's not difficult to find someone to talk to. A lot of Japanese people are also interested in finding someone to practice their English with.

>with no benefit for me.
Fair enough. Benefits include things like being able to watch new episodes of an anime before everyone else, then hanging around Sup Forums just to laugh at the English-only-peasants who are still waiting for subs. It's probably not worth the effort just for that, but it feels glorious for a brief moment.

you just need to learn like three words in Japanese
Smh desu senpai

High schools aren't fluent, even in america.

I literally told my co-worker yesterday
"Was Bob mad that he had to leave work earlier?"
"No, he seemed pretty apathetic about it to me"
"Apathetic? what's that?"

mfw.

high schoolers don't know all 2,400 kanji characters in the japanese language. they only know about 1000 and learn the rest thousand through their university years. You need 2000 kanji to be considered "fluent" in japanese by the government. So nips who don't go to college are quickly left behind by society. Imagine not being able to read the language of the country you were born in. Eek)

Chinese is harder.

>Other than that, the grammar system is innately more complex than Chinese, featuring more exceptions and weird quirks than even english does.
What? No. It's rule bound and logical.

>Korean
>#2 on the list
Fucking dropped

>Hardest language
Bullshit, Mandarin was harder than Japanese by a long shot. I took 1 semester of Mandarin and said fuck it and went back to Japanese. Only gets hard if you don't memorize the conjugation chart. Takes less than a day to learn hirigana and katakana. Kanji is hard, but not impossible if you take 10 characters a week

How is it harder than, say Polish or Hungarian? I've read that those languages seem nonsensical to beginners in comparison to many others. Japanese seems quite structured. The real difficulty appears to be the fact that they have, what 3 fucking alphabets?

2 years into learning Japanese here. I desperately need to find a native speaker. Too many years as an user has made it blisteringly hard to muster up the balls to message Japs via social media sites. My reading and vocabulary capabilities have probably increased at a nice level, but I'm sure regular speaking with a native would skyrocket your speaking/listening skills.

>What's the big deal with context anyway

>he doesn't know

Here's example

1. 双 (pair)!
This one's a CLASSIC cock because there's a lot of jukugo which use the そう reading:

(双方: (both sides)、 双ロール鋳造 (twin roll casting), 双一次Z変換 (bilinear Z-transform), and so on)... but the only word using 双 is 双子 (twins), where 双 is pronounced FUTA, not SOU. To make matters even worse, FUTA derives from 二つ...the word for TWO. But they don't use the 二 kanji, they fucking use 双.
This is a bitch in written form, user. But remember - Kanji only exists in written form. So when you speak it, how are you supposed to differentiate the words?

Well, FUCK YOU

In the time it took you to comprehend what was being said, the guy talking to you just said like 10 more words you weren't even paying attention to now you don't know what the fuck was said and now you have to ask him to repeat it again because you're a retarded dumbass that can't learn japanese

Is no one going to explain why a language being hard to learn makes it the best or whatever is being implied here?

Seems kind of like when people brag about the temperature being extreme and act like others should be jealous.

>Would YOU learn the world's hardest language, user?
I am. It is hard, desu ne.

My next laptop is going to have a Nip keyboard.

2 syllabaries and kanji (borrowed, simplified Chinese words)

Oh, I just red the article and Czech language is comparable to Polish in difficulty and has extremely similar grammar.

>High schools aren't fluent, even in america.

>a high schooler not knowing a word means that he's not fluent in English

I don't think you know what 'fluent' even means.

Hint: it doesn't mean that you're necessarily on the same level as a native-speaking, college-educated adult. Even native-speaking children are fluent in English, despite lacking the same breadth of vocabulary as adults.

>it's this user again

college japanese isn't fast enough. i hope you're doing core 6k, 20 words a day.

>Japanese is the hardest language to learn

Wrong. Come to Sup Forums for Daily Japanese thread to learn.

Find a college near you that holds foreign language clubs or something so you can practice speaking the language with natives. Our school holds japanese meet up every Thursday, full of professors and native speakers and we just talk to each other in japanese/english, about anything.

I would learn Japanese, but then I would be a weeboo. Instead I learned Italian, and have plans on visiting once all this immigration/refugee shit is over with.

Bone for tuna user!

...

I took four years of Japanese in highschool desu. In my junior year we visited japan. Now I have less than a kindergarteners comprehension. I know hirigana and katakana but less than 90 kanji. It's fucking difficult and I'll never be japanese or have even basic skill.

However, taking arabic now, I miss japanese. the system made sense (48 hira/kata) for the most part. Arabic is just ridiculous.

>college japanese isn't fast enough.
Mine my college is pretty fast, user. Taught by actual Japanese language professors from Japan. You don't need to learn 20 words a day, wtf you on about? How can you even come up with "x language is the hardest language ever" when you have no even take any language class from the language you're trying to talk about? You have no bases for your claims.

Why would you bone a tuna?

Arabic is harder because japanese has a system that makes sense

taking arabic now and its difficult

it means good luck you fucking dego

>Taught by actual Japanese language professors from Japan
Japs are horrible at teaching their language.

Hiragana and Katakana are the same with different symbols, like uppercase and lowercase letters.
Kanji is the fuckshit of that language because there is thousands of symbols and most are way more complex than your average English letter.
There are patterns and repetitions but not near enough.

>come to Sup Forums for Daily Japanese thread
>he doesn't know

DJT was split off into Sup Forums and /jp/. It no longer exists on Sup Forums

Because OP is on a bullshit run from some article he saw online somewhere. If he took the time to try other languages, he'd find that there are harder ones to learn.

I have been learning Japanese for 6 years. It is hard mainly because of grammar. Kanji you learn eventually, you will memorise them if you familiarise yourself with radicals.

I have a better time learning Japanese from them than white professors. I changed professors 2nd semester because his writing was garbage and he could barely pronounce some of the words, the Japanese TA had done most of the work for him. You want to learn a language, find a good Japanese teacher.

>A lot of Japanese people are also interested in finding someone to practice their English with.
W-where exactly?

>Arabic
HAHAHHAA, I hope it's to understand whatever all the shitskins are saying in public

>Taught by actual Japanese language professors from Japan

Is he giving you personal tutoring sessions?

It doesn't fucking matter where your professor came from or why his country rejected him and threw him out to your country, if you think you can learn japanese doing 10 hours a week i laugh at you. LAUGH.

If you were to take a japanese language school in Japan, (which costs $13,000), it would take you 2 years of your life and you'd be spending 80 hours of your week.

80 hours a week
for 2 years
in Japan

Realize how fucked you are and pick up Anki as soon as fucking possible. I'm trying to prevent you from fucking over your future, user.

>taking the JLPT for anything other than N2/N1
>taking 1 year of study to move up only one level
you can't learn Japanese

>tfw none of my Japanese friends even speak English

try hanging out on sites like Pixiv and Nicodou and making friends there

I can't believe how many people put themselves through this shit just for anime and mango. I guess it must be rewarding at least

except is not you idiot.

>college professor
>thinks he needs to privately tutor me
>can just walk into his officer during office hours for help
Teachers make more money here than in Japan, how is that a reject?
Again how can you justify what the hardest language is, when you've never taken a Japanese class in your life? Just because you're some weeb who watches anime doesn't make you an at all justified to talk about it.

As one who have been learning both Mandarin and Japanese I can say that Mandarin is far easier grammar-wise.
A huge pain in the ass about Japanese is that kanji have two readings at least, and the rules which reading is used when are far from regular.
Unlike Mandarin where almost everything has 1 reading.

In Japan, straya. They say you can't walk around there as a gaijin without someone asking to practice their horrible English on you.

It's sound advice, thanks. Yeah I am near a small university and while I know there is at least a small Japanese student base, I need to see if they amalgamated into an actual Japanese club. I went to some little Japanese culture festival event last year, but I just ended up chatting with the white musicians performing there. It dawned on me really quick that the Jap students are infinitely more awkward and nervous than I could ever be, so I would have to take the conversational initiative.

The grammar is pretty good though, very few irregularities - once you memorize a sentence structure or conjugation you can apply to practically any other sentence with the same components.

That's fucked up.
But even if you didn't understand that word, can't you use the rest of the sentence to make sense to it?
Like if they say something like "My 双子 is supposed to come by to fix my car."
If you understood every word (you can't but imagine) you could fill up what's missing right?
You'd at least understand he's talking about someone.

I guess you'd still not understand anyway: do japanese talk the same way as spics speak spanish? They talk like they have to go to the hospital right fucking now or they'll fucking die, I can somewhat understand spanish but I can't understand shit if an actual spic is speaking it, so I can't imagine if that's the case with Japanese too.

>Sup Forums
>DJT
user, I...

>4 years to learn the jouyou kanji
>100k burgerbucks to achieve probably less than an N2 level of understanding of jap
Jesus Christ mate just study it yourself for free

>You don't need to learn 20 words a day
How many do you learn, then? That's only 7,000 words a year

The only thing that makes Japanese proffs good are the crazy amounts of work they give you. Asides from that it's just rote memorization focused and a fucking joke.

gogonihon.com/en/language-schools/kyoto/kicl

Here's an actual japanese teaching school.

Take your indie college courses and shove it.

Yay, I did it. It's hard as fuck but it was worth it. It's a pity anglo-saxons have a such a hard time learning it, but it's understandable. English grammar dead simple compared to japanese and learning constructs, concept and models you've never heared of or can even imagine can be difficult.

My degree is in Physics, not Japanese. Arts and Science degrees require 4 years of language, 2 of those are suppose to be from high schook, but I never did high school language classes, so I have to take 4 classes.

I don't need a language school. see

Sounds fun, especially when they get the good old Arnold Strong accent.

Why would I care about learning japanese?

Fuck yeah, they love Arnie.

Makes you a better person. Although judging by your post, you probably don't need that.

Looking at my text book now, it gives us roughly 80 words a week plus the 8-12 kanji to go with it. So actually, it's about 20 words a day. nvm.

Because they make a lot of porn

Bullshit, Japanese phonetics are the same as italian and it's leagues easier than Chinese.
It's Finno-Ugric languages the ones that are made of the same stuff nightmares are made of.

Here's a vocab list of 1 chapter. We usually go by 1 chapter a week or 1 chapter in 2 weeks depending on difficulty of the chapter.
quizlet.com/27702685/genji-ii-second-edition-chapter-19th-vocabulary-flash-cards/

>taking any test below N2
遅すぎる

>Finnish is #10
>Welsh not even on the list
how the fuck?

at least Japanese is easy to pronounce.

>taking japanese just to get credits
>thinking you actually know japanese

Jesus fucking christ, get off the pedestal dude.

I just think my time would be better spent learning a more relevant language, especially since Japan's population is dying out.

I took 4 courses in college and it was pretty easy to me. There's never confusion on pronunciation, nowhere near as many "exception" rules as English, the sentence structure is far less rigid than English, the particles make reading/listening contextually quite intuitive once you understand them, and conjugation is very mechanical and straightforward in pretty much all cases.

The only real bitch is kanji. It's why I stopped. Not particularly difficult, but a massive time investment and I wasn't majoring in Japanese.

I've no problem speaking to Japanese people. The only thing I get told is that I talk too proper when I should be using improper conjugation. There are words here and there I never understand, but if you ask they tell you.
Rich coming from somebody who has never even taken a class in the language he's trying to school people in.

Neat, so that's where futanari comes from.

>most intelligent race designed the most difficult language
HOW CAN NON-NIPS EVEN COMPETE?

Are you a jew?

The system is designed to ward against the jews. The Arabic numeral system is designed around jewish sand magic while the Japanese system was specifically designed to combat these people by developing a very semi-ideographic system that is hard for reptilian minds to comprehend, due to their inherent lack of visual creativity. This is also jews funded most of the movements that attempted (and failed) to try to phase in romaji and why kanji in general is impossible for jews to decipher without the aid of their jew books like Heisig and Kanji Damage.

The wards of the samurai have kept the jews off the sacred islands of Japan for centuries and it will continue to do so.

Trust me, you don't wish you could trade it for Mandarin.

Four years? Dayum, son.

Back in the '80s my uni only needed 2 years, which could be from HS. I took two semesters of Spanish, doing badly in both of them. But it was plenty enough to learn Japanese on my own later.

>Japanese system was specifically designed
>Japanese
>designed
Oh, you.

>still having trouble with proper and improper forms of words

You can't learn Japanese. At some point in the language learning you need to start to twist your understanding of human relations. The language is built with japanese society in mind, meaning the way you intrepret social structures is completely different from what you're used to in the West.

Being able to communicate with a japanese person entails you understand these social structures.

Even small things, like knowing when you can safely use それじゃ to end a conversation, or when you can switch to じゃね. Those are extremely simple, but mastering them will help you understand the formal/informal forms of words better.

I don't think english universities get into it too much.

their grammar and syntax are retarded, but pronunciation is consistent.

This is honestly BS really, learning languages isn't difficult its about time and motivation on behalf of the learner. In that sense Japanese isn't that hard compared to other difficult languages.

I'd rather die than have to learn Arabic / Chinese. Literally years doing what? There is very little in terms of good fun resources and interesting contemporary culture.

I'm not a weeb but I know that if I was I'd have fun learning Japanese and I much actually be motivated. You have tonnes of reading/watching and communities etc. That is what matters.

user, it's BECAUSE the language is difficult that japanese people are so smart

Since japanese language requires a bunch of demand on listening comprehension, the nips have a permenant mindset of "paying attention to detail", which reflects not only in spoken japanese but they apply that to every degree of life.

>cucs in my ID
God damn it.

How to Transliterate おう Tier List

God Tier
ou

High Tier
ō

What Are You Doing Tier
ow
oh
oo

The only people who struggle with learning Japanese are jewish (Heisig, the KanjiDamage guy). This is because the ancient Japanese and Chinese had fought dragons for centuries and so their scholars devised methods of weaving anti-reptilian obstacles into the foundation of their languages.

And so the modern day ancestors of the dragons, the jews, have so much difficulty when they try to learn Japanese. This is why jewish people write all of the books and methods for how to force their minds to be able to process kanji. Normal non-reptilian people don't need to go through RTK or Kanji Damage because the ancient warding effects of kanji don't apply to pure humans and they have no need to pound in millions of individual readings into their minds.

I already know Kana. Kanji is more difficult but due to my knowledge of particle sentence structure it will be pretty easy for me once I grasp functional Kanji

>most intelligent race designed the most difficult language

The most intelligent race would design a language that can easily facilitate communication, because that's what language is fucking for.

Malbolge is a complex coding language, very few people know how to write in it or even of it's existence. That does not make it the best coding language.

oh right you are trolling.