Universal Basic Income

Gimme your criticisms

>Give everyone $30,000 a year or some shit like that... above poverty
>Everyone, EVERYONE gets it, your day job would just add on top
>Legalize weed and sell it in g'mint weed shops a la LCBO or some shit
>Raise sales taxes on fast food, liquor and weed to astronomical levels
>If nogs burn through their free $30,000 on booze, weed and McTurds they get NOTHING
>NOTHING
>Everyone who is a degenerate will starve off due to blowing all the money
>We just let them starve because there's no point in helping them since we already gave them 30 FUCKING GRAND
>Worthess nogs die off and all that are left are the non-niggish black people... the Tom Sowells and Neil Tysons...
>Profit

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You're a lazy fuck. Get off your ass and go to work if you want to earn a living.

How about give them nothing to begin with and let the nogs starve if they don't want get a job.

>give 30K a year to everyone
>meaning that the employers don't pay you, the government does, and 30K is for everyone
>doctors make the same as fast food cashiers
>no longer encouraged to be a doctor/engineer/run a business
>economy slowly collapses as businesses cease to exist due to a lack of educated workers
>lack of educated workers caused by lack of desire for high skill jobs, people would rather work fast food and retail than spend extra time in college to work much harder jobs
>lack of doctors
>lack of engineers
>slowly health among all people declines
>slowly economy crumbles due to nobody wanting to work actually important jobs
>slowly innovation and technological enhancement grinds to a halt

This is either stale bait or you're a wagecuck who wants free shit from the government because "DUDE WEED LMAOOOO"

>no real socialism
t
how about this
everyone pays a universal flat tax
its the same percentage for everyone
and thats that

Did you even read my post?

I got a job fool, the idea is to make it completely obvious that some people can't be helped and let the degenerates die off naturally

Painting of the Tuck's ancestor?

>everyone gets it
so....does it cancel out taxes or something???

>give everyone $30,000
>eventually $30,000 becomes worthless because everyone has it
>raise level of UBI
>new level becomes worthless because everyone has it
>repeat until economic collapse

>Give everyone $30,000 a year or some shit like that... above poverty
>Everyone, EVERYONE gets it, your day job would just add on top
>Legalize weed and sell it in g'mint weed shops a la LCBO or some shit
This is your main fuck up. UBI will only work in a very authoritarian regime where personal habits are highly regulated.

what is inflation

One yuge problem: money is finite

You're a dipshit

People will still want to be doctors and shit because they'll be making $30,000+$250,000 or whatever

People will still want to be rich and have a nice car and travel and all that, just this way the welfare system is clear and obvious and you only get 1 handout... If you fuck that up you're done

It would be real clear real soon who the leaches are and no libtard commie argument could work if you're literally giving them a salary already

Plus the fuckups will be giving us the money back through drug, cheap food and gambling and shit

i bet that it wouldn't change the price of basic goods at all

I like this idea. You could keep it up for a year or 2 while the unworthy die off to bad spending habits. Then a hard swing back to capitalism will keep the world turning, and more importantly white again

USA has 350000000 people

350MILX30000=1.05E13

>bankrupt the entire universe in only one year

Yeah the idea is to tax decadent habits to shit so if a normal person wants to get high once a month they can afford it, but the lowlifes will go broke paying us back our money

>Give everyone 30k/yr
>Less than 1% of Canadias pay 30k/yr or more in taxes

Do you see a problem here? Just wondering.

>Give everyone $30,000 a year or some shit like that... above poverty
>People can live comfortably without working, people stop working
>No one can pay for it, Government borrows money
>Currency devalues, Government puts limits on what you can spend the money on
>Currency becomes food stamps, Government needs to stimulate economy
>Government cuts spending, cuts taxes, cancels program
>Jobs are created again, people start to work again
>Currency regains value as GDP/Income raise, debts decrease

That was the idea

>Get free money
>Choose to spend it on drugs and hookers
>Run out of money
>Starve
>Whelp, another loser dead, too bad we gave them a chance

I think it's a pretty fair way to clean up society

OP may be a faggot, but you have completely misunderstood UBI. It means everbody gets (insert the UBI number here) a year as the floor of income. Anybody that works will get their wage payments ON TOP OF the Universal basic income.

example: Guy works and gets paid $50,000 from his employer or as profits from his business. That number is added onto the Universal basic income amount (say $15K), thus his final income for the year is $65,000.

Yeah, but making $250,000 also means you are paying an extra 40% income tax to cover the $30,000 that everyone is receiving.

Why don't we just lower taxes and let people decide what to do with their own money?

According to who...Ask to the "FEDERAL" RESERVE

>Raise sales taxes on fast food, liquor and weed to astronomical levels
>what are supply and demand
>how black markets are created

Also this You don't understand a god damn thing about economics, do you?

Prices jump by $30,000 overnight as a flood of buyers means business have to auction to highest bidder. Stupid idea.

>legalize everything
>allow the destructive traps of society
>establish non-governmental organizations to protect people from those traps

Politics. Solved.

>being this retarded
>leaf

poretyr

>>People can live comfortably without working, people stop working

That is the assumption that swings the whole thing

Remember that luxury, premium goods will be taxed out the ass as well so if you want anything nicer than the bare basics of life like to buy those Dre Beats or that iphone and afford smokes, drinks and restaurants you will want to work to get that extra money

Then why don't they just print and give it all away

Because it's a fact. People work because they need something, not because they enjoy work.

If they don't need anything, they won't work. The consumer economy won't exist, because people won't work a shitty retail job when they can order garbage from factories in China online.

Communism doesn't work. It's been tried.

Because then we still have welfare leeches

This way they kill themselves off and no bleeding heart faggot can dispute it since they literally wasted free money so the people are past redemption and we can ethically let the morally weak degenerates die off

universal income is exactly the kind of thing a civilization would attempt to achieve before it crashes and burns. "the western mans quest for infinite progress" as spengler put it. even now as the western mans own civilization falls apart and is surrounded by the ruins of the civilizations that came before him, the fantasy of infinite progress and a socialist utopia is the only thing that drives him. meanwhile his birthrates continue to decline while his culture and demographic is eroded away by foreign peoples.

funny how a guy who lived so long ago saw it all coming. we're all gonna fucking go under, thanks to fucktards like OP here. no jewish conspiracy here people, just western stupidity and fantasy.

>"Western Man is a proud but tragic figure because, while he strives and creates, he secretly knows the actual goal will never be reached."

remember that one OP

I agree completely.

Every few years I find myself with a ton of money in my bank account, so I take some time off working to pursue my hobbies.

If I had guaranteed basic income I wouldn't work again.

How about you give niggers 30k each. Make it a game. If a nig kills another nig, he gets to keep the dead nig's remaining income.

Basically the more niggers you kill, the richer you become. If they still have money.

You run the risk of killing a truly worthless nigger who has nothing left. Which is completely part of the game.

In the end, the two richest nogs will be the only ones left. If they don't kill each other.

Then you get to witness history. Niggers become extinct because they're niggers.

I'm OK with this.

We maintain a nominal food price and living standard so that people don't riot and burn shit down.

Welfare leeches need slightly less than the bare minimum, otherwise they won't be motivated to work. It's fine to throw money at the plebs if it allows you to live your life comfortably without the risk of being mugged or robbed on the street because people are starving.

Effectively 30% (after factoring in that you receive UBI). A little more than the taxes you would pay if you made $450,000/year.

>people
>rational

It's just a temporary measure to clean shit up

We can go back to normal capitalism after a few years... and this isn't communism, it's augmented caitalism

if LaSonya with her 6 kids from 7 baby daddys wants to buy the new iphone and smoke weed and newports all day instead of buying potatoes and celery and cooking and clothing her kids they can all die off when the money runs out.... Whoops, no more handouts, sorry too bad, niglets die

After a few years after society goes through an autoclean cycle we can go back to normal

>Gimme your criticisms
Stefan Molymeme covers most of my criticisms in a more articulate way
youtube.com/watch?v=QxUzTW5dM4o

>the Tom Sowells and Neil Tyson

Are you really comparing Neil Tyson to Tom Sowell?

Because Western countries are a machinery so vast and complicated that in order for you to contribute to society, you need to delegate and specialize yourself in something specific.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labour

>Raise sales taxes on fast food

Why ?

>work or starve
>okay

>here's this free money do what ever you want
>FREEEEEE MONEEEEEEEE

people understand discipline better than rewards

What I don't get is so people who advocate for a basic income think that the government will actually cut off free gibsmedat just because someone went over their "basic income allowance".

There would still end up being a ton of people who needed assistance because they "accidentally" overspent that year

Again, you are assuming people are going to bother making more than $30,000 a year with a 30% income tax, that's ridiculous.

You are also assuming, after all of the other expenses the Government pays, that working people are actually going to be making enough income to actually pay for this stupid plan in the first place.

You could make less money in another country that has demand for workers, and bring home more money after taxes. Which is why a lot of Doctors in Canada move to the US.

Two people could live comfortably on $60k a year in an apartment, with children and child bonuses, no childcare or travel costs, free education and unlimited free time. Why would I work?

People call this welfare you moron op

They won't die, they'll kidnap special needs kids and film it. They'll sucker punch white kids and take their wallets.

They don't just die.

Are you really comparing Tom Sowell to le black meemee man?

Yes, it's called a career. As you get older, you are less capable or retaining large amounts of information and making accurate connections. There becomes a point when it's better just to stick with one thing and try to perfect it, instead of trying the understand the fundamentals of the universe as a whole.

Retard spotted.

You have the reading comprehension of a literal retard.

Money is the tangible representation of power

without substance, power means nothing

give it all away, and the value approaches zero

You're gettin the idea

Your version gets undesirables to kill themselves off by greed

My version gets them to kill themselves off by gluttony

It's like a pragmatic application of the 7 DEADLY sins to morally clean up society

There may be some kinks to be ironed out but I hope you Sup Forumstards don't miss the spirit of my proposal, I have no economics background so you guys can maybe fill in the holes of the plan I'm just antin seeds here

>france
>calling others retard

spastic

This is awful bait, but I'll give in for one second to sage this thread and state the obvious; this can only ever lead to massive inflation
OP is a wagecuck moron who has never once in his life studied history

>Yes, it's called a career.
You missed the point by about a kilometer. We pay taxes because you can't expect everyone to have the time and to be able to do the research and the math on how much it costs to maintain the infrastructure or any other expense. We agree to delegate this job to a group of specialists.

This is why your suggestion
>Why don't we just lower taxes and let people decide what to do with their own money?
is retarded.

>>We just let them starve because there's no point in helping them since we already gave them 30 FUCKING GRAND
>>Worthess nogs die off and all that are left are the non-niggish black people... the Tom Sowells and Neil Tysons...
OP you must be a special kind of retard, UBI doesn't even exist yet and they're already breeding like rabbits off of government cheese

That's the point

The UBI is ALL YOU GET, there would be no more gibsmedats after it

>learn to budget and control your vices or die (and we just let the nogs die)

How about we skip the $30,000 and just give and take nothing from everyone? Quick way to cull the herd.

welfare will never be dealt with because the media will blow up anytime some drug addict starves because they spent all their money on heroine instead of food and heat. Then we'll have all the disadvantages of basic income with none of the simplifying benefits.

Can't work if there's no work available, Einstein.

That's not fair on degenerates who have jobs

Nothing would change you fucks you just added an inflation to every person.
Your job,and market price of goods would be fix with 30k being =0 so everyone would get payed accordingly at astronomical numbers cause you are a retard that decided 30k for everyone making 30k worthless

Fuck off leaf and go suck Castro's son's cock. Communism is dead.

>group of (((specialists)))

But there aren't enough jobs for everyone. By giving everyone enough to survive we help smart people that are just unfortunate and can't get a job temporarily while we kill off the gibmedats who can't handle money and are too lazy to work anyway.

>specialists
Yes, I give money to the Government to maintain infrastructure and build social programs.

I don't give money to the Government so they can borrow more money than I give them, and give it away to anyone who votes for them, expecting me to pay off their misspending for the next 10 years with "carbon taxes" and other none sense. Governments are not charities.

>can't do math
>has to rely on people who went to college
>fuckin' jews' fault
Uhuh

>be chemical engineer
>civil engineers are a bunch of faggots

MUH CONCRETE
MUH ASPHALT

But looking at the other degenerates who we already give free money (First Nations shits, Aussie abos), they DON'T die off. You can tax the fuck out of their vices but they'll just get their jollies through theft or robbery. Or just find an alternative like chugging Listerine, eating hand sanitizer gel or huffing gas. Give them any means and they'll linger on as a cancerous growth on society.

If anything you'd just overfill our prisons, you fucking retard.

do you understand how much money it would cost the government to pay everyone in the country 30 grand a year? your fucking pot taxes would hardly make a dent

money can't just be thrown around willy nilly pal

That's right, we have a social contract in place.

I once spent 1.5 hours trying to explain some retard on Sup Forums that getting to live where you were born and not agree to the social contract of said country is not an inherent right, but a made up one. If you don't like the system, GTFO to some deserted island that hasn't been claimed and STFU.
>inb4 but what if I bother no-one
EVERYTHING is a part of the contract, including the people and their resources, the clean air/water/land, social order, etc. The fact you exist means you're a beneficiary, ergo you must contribute or GTFO.

I'm not having this conversation again.

>be specialist
>call other specialists jews
wat

>debt

That's because we give them more than we earn. They always want more, it's the nature of people.

You can never give enough. You can just give barely enough that they are forced to go and go work if they want more.


Seriously
cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/sandy-bay-new-home-company-1.3835247

It's YOUR LAND, if the pipe breaks, FIX IT!

My whole point was:

Not to go full commie and free gibmedats but:

We have welfare now, libtards say we need it to help the poor people who don't have jobs, meanwhile they buy liquor and kfc and ask ofor more money

To convince everyone that these people are beyond help we give them a full salary, they blow it on highly taxed luxury items (giving that money back), run out of money, and starve and we don't do shit, even the libtards will see, what the fuck, we gave them a full salary, fuck em let them starve (or the libtards donate the or own money to nigs which accelerates it further, win win)

This is just a temporary measure to cleanse the undesirables in an ethical way, compared to rounding them up and gassing them which a lot of people would oppose

This is just a temporary shock therapy

The Jews will organize a Malthusian solution before they ever allow UBI. Quit dreaming. If the majority of society cannot produce value, they may as well be dead.

I agree.

But I also think politicians don't represent the interests of a nation, but rather the interests of a global Government body made up of billionaires that already decided what is best for the world.

Politicians just tell us what we're supposed to believe and the media chirps it back to us so we assume it's the morally correct thing to do.

It's not the bottom people that bitch "muh social contract" that have any impact, it's the 2-300 people going to Bilderberg meetings, that pay absolutely no tax, have no nationality (or multiple passports) and only care about how to make global business more efficient, regardless of the human cost. They are the ones who travel on private jets, and actually live on private Islands.

They are the ones that ship the jobs to China, regardless of how much pollution it makes. They're the ones who push for some level of social disorder, because they don't want to hurt weapon sales, or they don't agree with a Governments policy against them.

I thought about seriously replying but then I saw the Op was

A FUCKING LEAF

That's not how it works, or why we have a social welfare system.

If you stop giving them free shit.. they take it. They riot, they loot, they attack, they rob, they murder.

They just give up and die. They have nothing to lose if they have nothing.

Why only $30k?
Let's give everyone $1,000,000

>give everyone 30k
This would kill all the heroin junkies real quick

That would assfuck us financially.

How about a time limit on welfare, like after 5 years get a fucking job.

Only disabled and mentally or physically traumatized people should be getting handouts.

The prices of all the luxury items and drugs will skyrocket due to hyperinflation, so everything will be sold on the black market for far cheaper, which will thrive well due to the $30K you want to give to every nigger.

no

t. commie

I agree with you, but complaining about a problem without a remotely viable solution is worthless.

As I said, the machinery we take for granted cannot be micromanaged. I'm glad you brought up the elite, now I can be more direct: the idea of people making their own decision is made infinitely worse by the media machine, which is run by elites. That's also the reason why free-market capitalism is an unreachable utopia; it assumes the average consumer is rational, educated, and armed with critical thinking and wisdom. They are not.

That's 2/3 of US GDP. Not tax revenues, total GDP. Not possible.

I want money and I'll be smart with that shit like invest in stocks

Money has to come from somewhere.
Sure, you suggested weed shops run by the government, but what happens if that doesn't make enough to pay for UBI?
Moreover, why should someone recive cash for merely existing? It's not like charities don't exist, if you really can make your own, then go to them. And if you can make your own, then why the fuck should you get paid?

the best way to do it.

Federal Entitlement Adjustment Act -
Amends the Social Security Act (SSA) to repeal title III (Grants for Unemployment Compensation), title IV (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and Child Welfare Grants), title V (Maternal and Child Health Services Grants), title XII (Advances to State Unemployment Funds), title XVI (Supplemental Security Income for the Blind, Aged, Disabled) and title XX (Grants for Social Services); and related law under the United States Code.

Rescinds any funds earmarked for grants under titles repealed by this Act for succeeding fiscal years. Terminates specified authorities of the Department of Labor, Department of Health and Human Services, and the Social Security Administration granted under the aforementioned repealed titles.

Abolishes the Health Resources and Services Administration, The Office of Family Assistance, Office of Human Development Services and The Office of Child Support Enforcement; and provides for the liquidation of affected properties within 2 years of enactment of this Act. Repeals the Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA) and terminates taxing authorities granted to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) under that Act.

Authorizes expenditures for a Basic Income Tax Credit (BITC) for individuals for FY2017 and ensuing years. Establishes that the BITC shall refund an amount equal to the difference between an individual's annual income and $13,000. Establishes that the BITC shall be subject to a negative income tax of 10%, to be withheld from the BITC. Specifies that only US citizens, 18 and over, not currently incarcerated shall be eligible for the BITC.

Requires that the OMB shall submit a study on the fiscal effects of the BITC no later than 4 years after enactment of this Act.

>implying anybody will pay you for working if the governement does.
expect income crash if switch to communism.
Also
>pay everyone 30K
>prices go up since demand went up and due to unemployement crisis supply went down
>suddently everyone has about the same income but must compete with other people to get products at the same price
>essentially you have to wake up at 4 am to get that jar of pickle everybody want at MC-Commiemart
this is bad on many level

>If nogs burn through their free $30,000 on booze, weed and McTurds they get NOTHING

UBI has to be funded somehow, its not funded through weed tax and fast food tax. You would need upwards of 6 trillion dollars a year dedicated solely to UBI. The only logical way to accomplish this is through allowing the government to control capitol gains instead of "the 1%".
The great lie is that the 1% are an unattainable goal so people shouldn't even try to save. If people just went to college or got a trade and a decent paying non-minimum wage job and put their money (10%-50%) in the market in a decent mutual fund they would be able to live frugally and get to the point of being able to live off a 7% withdraw a year from that fund perpetually. A self-funded basic income much sooner than retirement. At that point you could give up your day job for whatever creative or personal pursuits you neglected, freeing up the good paying jobs so everyone has the chance to contribute to our economy.

The only way this fails is if people blow all the money they earn while working on booze, weed and mcturds but if they piss money away they worked hard for they're damn sure going to piss money away they didn't work for.

>Everyone who is a degenerate will starve off due to blowing all the money

We don't need ubi to realize this dream.
>We just let them starve because there's no point in helping them since we already gave them 30 FUCKING GRAND

30 Grand is a pittance compared to the endless opportunities in this country, you just have to get a trade or go to college for something employable which is easily found information (nursing? good / afro american studies? bad)

UBI is a guaranteed way to keep everyone a slave forever, at least in our current system we can take the opportunity to save and invest and break out of endless work prior to retirement.

>realize op is a leaf
I think all my points still hold up for America's hat

just make it a tax credit to bring people to the poverty line.

It can be done through a tax filing.

Dont make it universal. BillGates doesnt need a welfare check.

abolish the 22 agencies that regulate and despise in-kind payments. And replace it with a BIG and the government would save billions of dollars while eliminating poverty.

Friendly reminder that UBI will destroy our species' potential and weaponize r/ election.

Where I live, you need to make around $38,000/year to take home $30,000 after tax. Assuming around 2000 hours worked in a year, that's $19/hour if you work 40 hours/week. That's not basic income, that's an actual income. Nobody will work if they take that kind of money home for doing nothing. An income that would work for this kind of thing would need to be WAY less, like 10k so it's just a safety net if you get fired/give you the dignity to say no to a terrible job when you have nothing else lined up.

how about government just cuts off all gibmedats and the problem corrects itself without ruining the economy?

If you can pay people a tax credit that didn't pay into the system, then you're effectively robbing from someone who did. There are people that live on 7k a year with a family willingly when they make 50k+. There are many charities and missions that help people in true need. It's not the government's place to tell people what they need to survive, these are the same people who spend several hundred million on a broken healthcare website.

>mfw those are argentine products

Everyone is forgetting the best aspect of UBI: it will create political support for deregulation and free markets. A strong, simple individual safety net is far superior to the mishmash of corrupt subsidies to corporations and institutions we have today.

Universal basic income is not supposed to fucking pay people a living wage, and it never has been you fucking idiot. It's only supposed to be a replacement for welfare, and you'll never get that high an amount from welfare unless you have a really good reason.

You need to stop viewing everything as though it is a threat to capitalism because basic income is a far preferable, small government alternative to welfare as we know it.

Would I prefer welfare be almost completely reduced to basic income? Yes, but it is extremely unreasonable to suggest that.