Technicians vs Engineers

Why do engineers make more than technicians? Their job is easier, and technicians always have to fix their fuck ups.

>engineer designs a car where everything must work together fluently
> 'technician' aka a mechanic has to change spark plugs

huurrr people who come up with the marvles of human kind should be paid less than those who just up keep them....kys NEET

>banging on a wrench is harder than doing math

go home negro

>muh math
Most maths required of your typical engineer are performed by computers. As luck would have it, having your engineers work out equations rather than type them into a machine on the clock isn't so productive.

Oi say that to me face laddie not online 'n see what heppens to ye.

The complexity the engineer is working with to design the system is at least an order of magnitude greater that what it takes to install, maintain or repair it.

That being said, an engineer is going to be a lot better at their job if they have the practical hands on experience of a technician.

One writes the manual, the other reads it. Guess which is which, faggot technician.

I think you guys are confusing technicians with auto mechanics. Technicians come in many types. Controls technicians, electronics technicians, electricians, information technologists, hydraulic technicians etc. You under estimate us. Most of us know physics, and use it in practical analysis. Engineers just mostly pick and order parts these days.

Btw... Good auto mechanics can tell you how every part in a vehicle works.

One of them goes to a university and studies in a certified engineering program for a couple of years, maybe more, and is well versed in calculating, creating, and innovating. The other goes to any college or takes a training course for a year or two and thinks he is equivalent to the other guy.

engineers write the code

Performing the math is the easy part. Knowing which maths to perform and how to apply them functionally is exactly the difference between engineers and techs.

Also engineers made that software.

I also write code. Many of us do. I know CSS, HTML, c, c++, VB.net, BASIC and SQL.

YouTube > college.

FPBP
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Also, as someone who has done calculus, coding and has wired a control cabinet, I can tell you the latter is the most difficult

One of them goes to the liberal indoctrination center to learn the same things as the one that cut out all the bullshit plus professional political activism for degeneracy. So when that one gets released into society he cuckifies everything since he gets placed in a high position while the working man does all the work for him.

This ends with Trump.

Why don't you go back to school, and get the degree?

It is going to kick your ass, but as you say, you can make more money.

I don't know any engineer that does not have nightmares for years after leaving school about having a test and not being prepared for it. Or a class you skipped out on, or forgot about.

It will be hard, but worth it.

for coding? yep, I agree.

For fluid mechanics, mechanics of materials, contaminant fate and transport, etc? nah

>knowing how something works is equivalent to being able to create that thing from nothing

pic related

>technicians think engineering is easy.

It's easy to play a hit song that's already written. Try writing a hit song.

I dont understand this meme.

I went to a community college and state universities for my B.S. and M.S. and the most liberal/political thing I was exposed to was energy policy. The prof was somehow associated (Captain maybe?) with operating nuclear subs in the strait of hormuz. He was pro nuke, natural gas combined cycle and renewables (in that order). Other than that the only things covered in class were purely technical

All I hear is WAAAHHH I WENT TO COLLEGE WHY AM I NOT MAKING MORE MONEY

Engineers don't get indoctrinated, they take the least amount of those types of classes as possible and are one of the more Right-leaning occupation groups in the country.

In the case of real engineers it's because exhaustive training and licensing is required as engineers need to ensure the safety and structural integrity of whatever they build... there is significant risk involved.
In the case of "programming engineers", because they somehow got away with calling themselves "engineers" at all.

fuck trump and fuck coal

Gen Ed = liberal indoctrination

For the good of the country ( ( ( educated ) ) ) people need to be uncucked, forcibly if necessary to undo years of damage the liberal indoctrination centers have caused to our nation.

Lol you guys are acting like every engineer is Nicola Tesla. Engineers don't design an entire car. It takes a team of them. Each engineer usually specializes in a particular aspect of the vehicle.

A bettet question would be :
Which is more difficult, learning how every car part works, or designing a valve.

came here to say this

this and only this
.t ex technician

Underrated japan. I like that.

ive done all those things as well and wiring a panel is easy as fuck. just follow the diagrams the engineer makes lmao.

>equating a lifetime of acquired knowledge to a single project

General ed classes I took:

Western civ I and II
sociology
marriage and family
music history


That's it. All were at the local community college. In all of them, all I did was play final fantasy tactics advanced on my laptop.

Spending my first year and summer at CC was the smartest decision I have made in my entire life

i have a engineering degree but my title is technician, it depends on what type of engineering you are talking about.

You might have gotten away, but you still carry the taint.

Most other engineers I've seen went all in.

Clearly designing a valve is far more difficult. With learning how every car part works, all you need to do is memorize pre-existing knowledge. With designing a valve you need to have the proper knowledge to calculate and create the valve to proper specifications and standards to ensure it fits your intended use as well as any incidents that may occur to it during its lifetime. Fucking something up while designing the valve and you may kill hundreds of people using your product and your company can get sued to hell.

Engineering is one of the biggest bullshitter professions ever. Essentially 'office space' the profession except with more government contracts and jerking off.


Statics, dynamics, mechanics of materials, fluids are all you need as an ME. Lots of bullshit classes added around that make it 4 years

Engineers typically don't know how to design shit, especially in solidworks. Many spend all day in excel. Most people in engineering are unmotivated drones, i have much more respect for machinists.

Thanks for posting some common sense.
Also; do we not forget how often these god-tier engineers fuck up?

Pick a major car maker, LISTS of " if the engineer wasn't literally retarded, this problem would be fine".

That, and accountants making engineers "save" money, by building stupid shit.

I have been a tech for just over 10 years. It pays pretty well if you are quick and know what you are doing, at $28 an hour and turning 40 hours a week (although turning 60 hours isn't unheard of) isn't to bad for only 1 year of school. I see some mechanical designs on cars and wonder who approved the final design. And wondering why they didn't put part x in location y vs location z. I have also made my own tools to fix engineering flaws in hyundais.

built in obsolescence isn't the fault of the engineer you dumb ass, it's to keep up profit margins.

Hey Sup Forums whats the best engineering major for me?
I hate math and have no passion at all toward my field
I'm thinking of EE or CE

you talk like a faggot

You need to understand the math in order to know how to use it on the computer and if the project deals with new tech, you have to do everything by hand.

It's changing dude

Businessmen, technicians, tech support, and even end users are always trying to convince themselves they know more than the engineers they depend on. It's cute really

>Hate math

>Takes EE

Geological Engineering if you can find it. Lines you up well to work in petroleum, geotech, foundations, or hydro

Hahahah holy shit.


Just look at this picture. Look at it. It is the opitome of how far self-righteous engineers have their head up their asses.

Also if you look at the parts of most (not all) vehicles. You will notice brand stamps or stickers that are not the manufacture or one of its subsidiaries. Light fixtures. engine, transmissions, are all engineered once and manufactures will purchase them and put there own valve cover/whatever plastic parts on. PCM's (powertrain control modules) are pre-programed by some company (((bosch))) and the auto manufacture has them add sensor input/output and fuel mapping for that specific vehicle.

We don't at my university
What I am actually inspired to do is Geology, which we don't have as an option either
We do have petroleum available but I've heard though that it is very competitive and has little variety in career outlook

They dont pay you more for how hard your job is. They pay you more depending on how easily replaceable you are.

Electrical engineer here. I agree with this sentiment, my company employs a fuck ton of Master machinists, skilled electricians, and good technicians. There are only a few motivated engineers and these are the ones that stand out by far, but on average engineering has become bloated with mindless idiots who've been sold on engineering as a profession to make money, not something they enjoy. Machinists and techs tend to like what they do, even if they bitch a lot, it makes them good at what they do.

Yeah I'm an engineer, I like what I do, but I don't see myself as being better or worse than anyone else.

I find that asking people who are experts at what they do helps me do my job. I can find and fix issues on a theoretical level, these guys can help me navigate around the numerous conflicts and constraints resulting from dealing with reality.

Everyone's got a job to do, and we all benefit from the perspectives of each other and understanding the limitations of our own abilities.

Fuck divisive assholes.

why did you pick a university before you picked what you wanted to study?

Engineers require a degree, Technicians are just NEETS who finally found a job

I took enough math classes in my EE degree to get a math minor by only adding one extra math elective. Its nonstop math with a very small side of fun electronics.

Most technicians have a massive stick up their asses which makes everyone's lives more difficult.

>"What do I need the plans for, I know what to do"
>Fucks up the entire project

t.civil engineer

> Hates math
don't

Are you an engineer ? did ever see an engineering course ?
if no , then Shut the fuck Out

I'm constantly instructing technicians on how to do things.

>people who come up with the marvles of human kind
>engineers

I was designing common emitter amplifiers and doing vector math for impedance calculation in vocational school at age 18, while you were stuck taking high school sociology.

But the consumer purchases these. Good marketing i guess.

Thoughts on plumbing?

I went to university as soon as I turned 18
I took biology as a freshman and didn't like it
It doesn't really matter if I like what I do or not because chances are I'll be extremely disappointed if I expect a career that brings me happiness

Computer Science

then after one year i caught up with you , and a year after i fucking went over you many light years .
there's no physics, maths, Chemistry or programming language courses i don't know about .

Sup Forums told me that that was for nu-males and pajeets are you sure?

Programming or Software Engineering, the math is minimal, don't take Computer Science unless it's focused on programming and software engineering, pure computer science degrees are basically intensive math degrees

Please... stop sending these people to cs

Repair tech here. Please factor in dissassembly and servicing when you design your stuff.
>tfw scrap thousands of dollars worth of mostly functional equipment because takedown is nearly impossible without collateral damage to nearby components

Objectively the correct opinion.

then drop out now and get a trade. academia is not for you.

Plumbers also underrated. Good ones understand fluid dynamics, Pascal's law and such. they also have good mechanical minds, working with threads and pipe requires that. Plumbers were kinda looked down on in our tech school, but now that I'm older I have much respect for them. Bladders, valves, heat exchangers, boilers, regulators, pumps, fans... Cool stuff

This is every job in the world. Usually 1 guy carries 10 and he usually never gets anywhere for his work

Engineers make plans. Technicians follow them. It's a matter of vision.

>>vector math for impedance calculation
lmao this is equivalent to calling a janitor a sanitation specialist. It's like the easiest part of circuit analysis. kill yourself pls

im a locksmith and the engineers that designed the kwickset residentail knobs are faggots and should die from aids. fucking hipsters

Engineers are the people who say X should theoretically work, then get on others' cases when it doesn't end up working.

They're the liberals of practicality

Technicians are usually maintenance

>Engineers don't design an entire car. It takes a team of them.

And how many technicians does it take?

None.

They're not involved.

>XD le maker here
Honestly, this is the equivalent of throwing dirt on a house and saying you built it.

>oh haha WOW those clueless engineers look at this picture xD
Ok, now look at this one.

Engineers design products to meet efficiency and budget requirements. They don't design the with serviceability in mind.

t HVAC Tech

>because a few engineers are worth the money they're paid, all engineers are

Scientists explore how the world works and figure out the intricacies of the physical world. Come up with new and interesting methods of understanding and interacting with world.

Engineers apply what the scientists learn to design something that generally improves life or enriches society. A noble profession.

A technician is damage control for when the retarded user fuck something up

Computer Scientists aren't actually scientists per say but can work in fields where they apply their understanding of algorithms and logic to -engineer- software but most are just pajeets and betas who end up in IT

t. BS in Computer Science

An engineers job is more difficult, that's why.

However, the best engineers have worked as both technicians and machinists, so they are able to design machines that can be easily fixed and fabricated.

Prove me wrong.

It costs more to become am engineer. They pay to go to a good college for 4 years so they can make more doing less.

TFW you realize you don't have the hands on experience to build your prototype.

>if there are any bad engineers, no engineer is worth the money

>Yeah I'm an engineer
How do you feel about PEs wanting to sue all __ Engineer professions into not calling themselves "engineers"?
Mechanical, electrical, software, stationary; all those guys are the PE's enemy.

Class missed, take notes from someone else, or read the slides / syllabus
I don't get the issue, unless it's hand-on or mandatory

>muh hands on experience

>implying the entire construction process wasn't designed by engineers

We have that here you goose. PEng in canada. It's a legislated profession so thag people know they can trust people who use it in their name insofar as being a good engineer

>design an intricate process to construct the new product
>thousands of moving parts
>the technicians find a few small problems in this ridiculously complicated system
LeL stupid engineers! im always finding n fixing their shit, they should really do a better job11!!

this

im a tech

engineers build this shit from the ground up

we just attempt to learn what they've built after some fuck all decided to break it.

i have respect for those brain fagets

more like

>been troubleshooting printed circuit board for 8 hours looking for faulty components

firmware bug

>No gay engineer jokes.
I'm dissapointed Sup Forums.

who the fucks writes the reference manuals and creates the libraries that you wouldn't be able to live without?

>the marvles of human kind
how do you find shirts for that huge sense of arrogance you cunt

technicians fix the mistakes engineers wanted to fix and practically begged corporate for the chance to fix but corporate forced the shit into production anyway

probably some dropout like bill gates