Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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It's shit

is this some sort of science fiction thread?

Communism is an objectively worse economic system than capitalism and would result in worse lives for just about everyone. You'd be poorer, work longer hours and have less choice of things to purchase. Literally the ONLY reason to support communism is jealousy that some people are wealthy.

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>less choice of things to purchase
tell me how this purchasing thing works in a society with literally no money

fuck off commie cunt

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Looks fun.

How does communism help defeat modern degeneracy?

Okay.. but, why?

Why is it that always when we have a communism general thread, its from a country that never had communism?

fpbp
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Kek, fuck commies their system is shit and they know it.

You know the reason

This, no country swings back to Communism for a second time at the behest of its people because they've already had an object lesson in how much of a shitshow it is.

By liquidating bourgeois liberals.

commie scum.

go back to tumblr faggot

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Your country never had communism, it was part of a socialist state.

>Orthodox Marxism
>2017

I'm an economics master, well-read in 5 types of economic systems including Marxism, and this makes me cry every single time.

What's next?
how will you set up a system when not a single person knowledgeable on economics is going to run your puritain version of Marxism.

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and what to do about the average degenerates?

>and what to do about the average degenerates?

That's up for the communes to decide

..And neither have you Miguel, a few decades under a communist boot might change your mind though.

>That's up for the communes to decide

>these people decide whats going on.

this is really your argument for you ideology on a board that is the polar opposite? you're going to have to shill harder than that

>my super special brand of communism has never been tried

That's like saying the reason a literal shit sandwich tastes so bad is because margarine was used instead of butter.

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Communist's hate "wasteful production" but man, they sure love under production!

Communist's hate "wasteful production" but man, they sure love under production!

Why? things would be produced according to social need, and great abundance means you can 3d-print your horse dildo if you want.

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we can 3d print things now

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You have to pay for the materials to companies that own means of production, making them profit.

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>Under communism, a government separate from the people is no longer necessary and production is managed by a self-organising network of autonomous communities of co-operating workers and citizens.

Q: How many kgs of wheat does it take to kill a Ukrainian?
A:[spoiler]0[/spoiler]

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>You have to pay for the materials to companies that own means of production, making them profit.

you can build one yourself
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Given there are only finite resources who determines who gets what under communism? Say you've got enough resources to manufacture 100 TVs, how do you allocate them among the people? What if you manufacture different sizes? How do you determine who gets the 32" shitbox and who gets the 72" Super HD set?

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Protip, you can't

>Given there are only finite resources who determines who gets what under communism?

Politburo

>Say you've got enough resources to manufacture 100 TVs, how do you allocate them among the people?

Silly comrade, TV is impossible dream spread as rumour by evil western imperialist to weaken glorious revolution.

>How do you determine who gets the 32" shitbox and who gets the 72" Super HD set?

Everyone is equal in communism, no TVs for anyone. Rumours of Politburo member and local party bosses owning TVs is evil western imperialist lie.

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A man whose love for his people that was only matched by his peoples love for him.

RIP

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I was in Miami when he died, the outpouring of grief from former Cubans, unable to return home due to the actions of evil imperialist American aggressors was deafening.

Reminder that communism is Jewish

>when you've moved past hatred and see the commie for what he is
You still need to be killed if you don't renounce such a disgusting ideology, but I now recognize you as misguided rather than knowingly traitorous or malicious.

Won't you repent and come to the light of National Socialism?

Reminder

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I live to see the bourgeoisie liquidated.

Nazis were capitalists.

Я нe кoммyниcт, нo:
Cлaвьcя, Oтeчecтвo нaшe cвoбoднoe,
Дpyжбы нapoдoв нaдёжный oплoт!
Пapтия Лeнинa - cилa нapoднaя
Hac к тopжecтвy Кoммyнизмa вeдёт!
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If you don't want to contribute to society then society owes you nothing. Get over it commies.

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Commiefag woke up to the sound of the traffic outside his window, much like every other day. Turning to his side, he could see the time on his Rainbow Dash alarm clock: 1:47pm.

Ah well. Not like I have a job to go to, he thought.

Staring up at the ceiling, and the huge poster of a muscular, topless black man wearing a firemans helmet and red suspenders that stretched almost the entire length of his bed, he dreamily contemplated the day ahead.

I wish there were more communists in the world, he thought. He felt his penis, somewhat disfigured from a circumcision gone wrong, tingle with slight arousement.

Turning his head to the side, he stared at his computer. He knew what he had to do. What he did everyday.

It was time to post the "Marxism General" thread on Sup Forums.

His warped, mutilated penis stood fully erect. All 2 inches of it. He arose from bed, and moved with purpose.

>falling for jewry

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Yes they were, and so has been every successful socialist society. Communism is an unachievable dream because of the fundamental inequality of man.

Your masters push hatred of the bourgeosie and the class system to divert your eyes and energy away from where they would be truly useful.

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Very creative comrade.

Communism was shit. Cold winters with no heating because it was rationed so you had to drink to keep warm or sleep with your whole family in one bed, all in winter clothes. Food was scarce because trying to produce for everyone is not a good idea because you will always fail in counting and rationing it will be a shit idea. You can't live with 300 grams of bread a week with nothing else to eat but shit tier salami and baloney made from scraps oh and fish, a metric shitton of fish.

You had a factory where you had to work and if you fucked up even a tiny bit or skipped work, you had the secret police at your door to take you for "interrogation".

Radio? I think not, you could be literally "disappeared" for listening to anything except state radio.

TV? Only one station that ran for 2 hours a day.

You earned decently but you couldn't spend it on anything because you had nothing to purchase except shit tier clothing and footwear.

Want a car? Well that sucks, you have to wait or 2-3 years on a list so you can be eligible to buy one.

Want an apartment? Good luck, you are given one that will never be big enough for you and your family to live in.

Want furniture? Better use some of that money you have to make some friends that could smuggle some Jack Daniel's and some Kent cigs. so someone will look at you when you ask for furniture. Or a VHS, a VHS always worked.

You have relatives in the country side? They can send you meat because they slaughtered a pig, cow or chicken? Better do it at twilight or early dawn so the secret police don't do a routine stop and catch you.

Should i go on?

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>This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

This is not an ideology. I would even say marx never even argued for communism. He simply said it was the natural evolution away from capitalism.

>we must replace the capitalist state
This is potentially misleading or wrong. Marx simply says that capitalism will be replaced by communism. He doesnt suggest that he, or the reader, or even the worker must repace it.

You could read, that necessarily capitalism must be replaced for communism to exist. Or, that displaced workers will usher in communism in order to survive. It is vocal communists after marx that ask the proletariat to destroy capitalism by force.

Why is it always this one Spaniard making Commie threads on Sup Forums. Its like all of /leftypol/ gave up except for this one guy. Its so pathetic....

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Communism is oligarchy rebranded for the useful idiots of the 20th century. It's just a system where those in control have money and power and the serfs have to work.

Hi comrade nice to see you once again.

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False, you are describing a corrupted socialist state.

Yo answer my question commie. You actually believe in this shit, tell me how it works

>when you create an ideology for the goyim that reomves their right on owning property and they embrace it

morality / ethics do not exist without religion.
so how can you say something which is marxist can also be corrupted?

slavery (from the liberal definition) is the natural state of communism.

>no response
As I'd expect of a communist. One day you'll understand that we share similar motivations, OP. Hopefully it won't be when you're about to be thrown out of a helicopter.

>morality / ethics do not exist without religion.
This is not true. Religion helps to reinforce a good set of morals and root it in the minds of the masses, but the two are separate.

A network of supercomputers with the aid of artificial intelligence and mind reading/monitor devices.

Yes , a communist society is a very advanced technologically form of society. Finite resources would be distributed according to the best for the entire community(network of communities) in function of maximizing happiness.

>Yes , a communist society is a very advanced technologically form of society.
Current Communist Countries: China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam.

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Universal lobotomies would be cheaper and are achievable with current technology.

>Уcтaв Oбъeдинённых Haций yтвepждaeт

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>This is not true. Religion helps to reinforce a good set of morals and root it in the minds of the masses, but the two are separate.
its absolutely true.
you can not have any pragmatic system of value (life, property etc...) without dogma.
I will happily consider any examples you have to the contrary.

>Current Communist Countries: China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam.

None communist countries, socialist states that work better or worse.

by the way, China is on it's way to be world leaders in scientific and technological innovation.

Pleasure is not happiness.
I'll give you a counterexample instead. Our notions of virtue and vice are much more similar to ancient European cultures than they are to that of Christians in South Korea or Nigeria.

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