USA versus Germany

How hard would it be for USA to lead a full scale ground invasion on present day Germany? Who would try to stop us and why? How long would it take to defeat Germany in 2017? (no nukes)

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Technically the whole EU cause of muh European Army and we'd still romplestamp the fuck out of everyone. I say less than 1 year cause most of Europe breeds SJW cucks nowadays

German army kek
Even the roaches have a better army:

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Depends if Germans would want to fight back. The German Army (Bundeswehr) wouldnt last a year but with the Mass amount of Guns, Milling Tools and chemist Tools in private Hands ( It s actually crazy if i consider my neighbourhood alone) You could have some nasty Uprisings on your hand

Not very hard considering there are tons of US bases in Germany already.

You would easily beat us in a conventional war but considering we have our own al-qaeda super duper fighters with big anti-western sentiments(4 million muslims) we would kick you out after a few months of asymmetric guerilla warfare. Berlin is literally Falluja 2.0 because of all the turks and arabs.

That war would last around 2-3 months.

Germans would win by using their Syrian Refugees as kamikaze pilots/truckers/bombers.


Fuck, they have been planning it all along.

Dude, they ran away from one war what makes you think they would stay for this. But america would have Problems. First the Russians and chinese would do if they d smell a Chance of desolving NATO in europe, would be to go into overdrive selling Weapons to any German resistance there is

Those bases would likely fall before your invasion force were here.

Now, assuming the US is the aggressor that means NATO is dissolved.
I see no way in which Europe would accept you attacking its heart and industrial powerhouse. That means France and the UK are at the very least hostile to US forces.

Without a staging post for such an invasion Germany would "only" need to fend off your airforce. Your invasion force would need to be completely sea based, as in carrier groups. That limits the amount of material you can use against us to what your ships can carry.
Therefore, only part of your forces would even fight us.

In past NATO maneuvers, submarines have been able to sink carriers within their protective group with regularity.

Germany has quite advanced submarines and our european allies also have modern navies and airforces.

>muh 11 carriers
We only need to fend off like 3 of them realistically. How do you think China will react if you lose 20-30% of your force projection?
You have lots of military assets around the world for which you need force projection capabilities to protect them.

The Middle East needs what? 2 carriers there at all times to cover your bases?

Two more points. You'd lose lots of intelligence just by antagonizing Europe.
And Russia will definitely help Germany with goods, materials, air defence.

The US waging war on any major european nation would immediately flip Europe from your ally to their ally. Likely forcing you to abandon the Middle East too.

tl:dr The US will kill a couple 100k people but lose status as global topdog.

Are you fucking kidding the Indians have a better army than us... We could bitch them in like 3 weeks if we wanted to.

> Implying that any Muslim would pass up on the opportunity to fuck over America.

It s actually funny how These 3rd Worlders think about Military today "me got more DOODZ me stronger" when Syria, Iraq and Ukraine showed how wrong that is

Good Point

We would drop bombs on the enormous piles of shit in the streets in order to reduce morale and spread disease.

Why the fuck would you invade another state of yours?

France, Russia and China would object to protect their interests in the country.
As for the Germans themselves they would probably fight like 1945 for half a year or so.

I honestly believe the german will to survive outweighs the courage of our armed forces.
We are talking about a people that have survived the test of time against all odds.
If any other country took the pounding that they did in WW2 it would no longer exist.

A Shit Based Firestorm in the Cities ?
Fire + Toxic Shit Gases ?
Gotta say cruel, but creative

>And Russia will definitely help Germany with goods, materials, air defence.

Wouldn't work, the USA is dependant on europe financially and economically. Also you have to count in that not even one european state is fully mobilized, while the USA is mobilized a all times, just like russia's army.
We don't know of europe's true potential in that regard. Maybe if we do start mobilizing en masse, just like america did in WW2 we may end up fielding a huge military that would be able to take the USA head on.

Also the problem with you guys being mobilized all the time, is that that you won't be able to lead this war for a long time. That and since we are still talking of a western nation, casualities mean much more. Fighting a modern state ist much more risky than a middle eastern state with old soviet equipment. Imagine one decisive defeat for the USA and it would probably be over.

Not to mention that the people in the USA themselves probably would never agree to such a war at the moment.

Though personally I think depending how you handle it you could win the war over "hearts" so to speak. There are many people who, thanks to our great Führerin Merkel, converted to more rightwing opinions.

Not necessarily nationalsocialism but certainly something more conservative.

But the attack would be without warning if at all right? Don't you think a country like Iraq was more prepared for invasion than present day Germany?

Our dollar is tied to commodity, none of which we depend on you for.
In theory we could grease the palms of your neighboring countries and promise China a base or two to turn their heads during the whole invasion.

Soviet Union took a much harder pounding by all accounts.

The German army in 1941 was probably the greatest, most efficient army ever assembled and they took the brunt of it. Only surviving by enormous manpower/land resources. 25 million Russians died in WW2 and 20 million more were purged by Stalin.

Also, Poland lost 20% of their population and then were annexed. (insert forever alone meme here)

If it'd be to liberate Germany from Jewish influence, I'd join a pro-US militia. I mean, you wouldn't invade us (again) to install a (((democratic))) governement since we're already cucked.

Employee for a major US defense contractor here.

Protip: The US government has some very neat new weapons that are basically done, ready to start being mass produced at any time.

They are deliberately holding them back because right now the US is overwhelmingly stronger than anyone else anyway, and they want to be able to surprise the rest of the world if they ever need to.

um, what would be the point?

It would be easy, I geuss

Why would we?
What would be the cause?

i fucking knew it, we got rused by the eternal kraut yet again

It would be possible but you would have to send in ground troops. Especially in the Alps you could run into heavy resistance of the Gebirgsjäger.

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Why would you invade territory that you already occupy?

A pre-emptive strike
the EU is a bad actor

Doubt it, we have the same technology and we have too many projects going on between each other. Someone, somewhere will find out about it one way or the other.

That is not true, you've got multiple european, infuential corporations in the USA, not to mention that we have a much better connection to a lot of southamerican nations and that China knows of your debt just like any other nation does. So no reason for them to go for something like that.

Also what neighboring countries that you could influence? If you declare war on any european power, all would be forced to declare war against America. None of them would be ready to betray each other for money you don't have.

Those big breasted women wont distract us kraut!!

To defeat Germany in a military sense, it would take about 24 hours I'd say, provided that the US Navy is somewhere nearby or that the US can use neighbouring countries' airbases.
To occupy them would probably take a week.

Although German 212A class submarines are very advanced and 206A could dive in water depths where the big US subs couldn't even leave port, there are FAR too few actually functioning ships and other equipment in the German army/navy/air force, let alone torpedos.

German navy has no fighter/bomber planes anymore (had Tornados till a few years ago) and we only have very few tank bataillons etc. left.

It's a paper tiger and not even that. My colleague worked in a squadron of 64 planes of which only 8 were somewhat ready to "fight" and of which 2 had at least some issues. The rest was grounded, undergoing neverending maintenance or was "scrapped" for spare parts.

Same for tanks and even worse for ships. Also, there are no resources for maneuvers and large scale trainings with "live" weapons. Almost no torpedos for the torpedo shooting range, very little flight ours for our air force, less and less tank maneuvers and even less combined forces maneuvers.

That's maybe the case or the trend for all advanced armies, but the problem is that the US has 500 squadrons, whereas Germany only has like 5. We couldn't even put up a fight I'd say because of sheer numbers. Also, our forces aren't large scale combat proven. Although some of our guys are well trained (KSK, Panzergrenadiere, Fallschirmjäger, Infantiere in general, MSK, Kampfschwimmer etc.) we lack the capability of really large scale operations.

>USA invades germany for some reason.
>Pulls it off to land somewhere around the baltic sea.
>Invades germany from north and manaes to conquer all of it wondering where the hell the Bundeswehr went.
>They eventually find out that they camp on a cold, death mountain.
>They never invade the alps and just chill out in every big, major city.

Made me kek a bit.

Lol at implying that counting down Military strength would be enough. From day one the US would be politicaly isolated for a move as stupid as this. Russkies and Chinese would see their Chance to destroy NATO in Europe and would sell every artillery Piece and rocket they could muster to Germany. Hell i guess even the Jihadis would march in German uniforms just for a few shots at uncle sam. Invading Germany would get a Special page in Nation-Sized-Darwin Awards

Yes, all Russia needs to do is send over a couple anti air defences to stop you in your tracks.
Look at the trouble those caused for you in Syria. Their very presence meant that you can do shit about Assad without causing war with Russia.

If Putin is quick about it (likely) and Germany desperate (likely) those air defences are in place even before your invasion force is ready to leave harbor.

Russia doesn't even need to wage that war. The threat alone is enough to drive your former european allies over to Russia.

>Imagine one decisive defeat for the USA and it would probably be over.
Sinking two carriers should do it.

There is no attack without warning in modern day anymore. Not of this scale. Maybe, maybe France or Poland could surprise us, but not a nation that literally has to ship millions of tonnage over a huge ocean.
Not to mention that any war requires serious prep time to get your people ready for it. Some German will watch some CNN during the half year or so before the war.

No way that would work. Russia and China will take the chance to fuck you over. Our neighbors have zero interest in a giant warzone right in the heart of Europe. Germany is very important for trade, by its location alone.

implying Germany will not always do what America does anyway

There are people on Sup Forums RIGHT NOW who believe Germany couldn't single-handedly destroy USA in a week

TOP KEK AMERICAN PIG SHIT!!!

Oh believe you me, us Germans are ITCHING for a war with USA. We will fucking ANNIHILATE your dirty country. There wouldn't be a square meter of American soil that has running water, electricity, or petrol that isn't on fire, once our airforce and navy is done bombarding your defenseless country. Then, our army boys (we'd send the niggers and other mongrel races first) would swoop in, raping your women, and killing EVERY American pig shit they see. When Germany’s done with you, we will have committed acts of genocide. Of course no one is gonna do shit about it

Muslim here, with a message for you Islamophobic people.

The West created this mess.

It was you who divided up the land.

It was you who put in the puppet governments.

It was you who built the oil wells on Muslim holy lands.

It was you who allowed the Jews to exterminate and enslave the Palestinians.

It was you who played geopolitical games with Iraq and Iran during their war.

It was you who gave Saddam chemical weapons.

It was you who caused the Ayatollah to come into power in Iran.

It was you who created the Mujaheddin, Osama Bin Laden, and Al Qaeda.

It was you who killed 1 million children with your economic sanctions on Iraq.

It was you who, with your gluttonous oil consumption, gave power to Saudi Arabia and turned a blind eye to their funding of Wahhabi extremism.

It was you who abused the Arab world so much that they felt they had to attack your soil on 9/11.

It was you who started an endless massacre across all of Afghanistan in retaliation against a small group that lived there.

It was you who invaded Iraq unprovoked, destroyed it's infrastructure, massacred it's people, and left it in shambles in your wake.

It was you who covertly ignited civil wars in Libya and Syria because it suited your geopolitical interests, only to let the bloodbaths stagnate when your goals failed.

It was you who not only caused ISIS to exist, but allowed them to grow like a cancer unchecked.

It was you who destroyed the lives of millions of Arabs and forced them to leave their homeland.

You are the cause of all of this. Still you go ahead and blame us for all these tragic incidents. I'm not easily triggered but shit like this makes me really mad.

Shut up youre embarassing us all in here kid

1. You live in the US and have all the Advantages everyone else there has, yet you hate and bitch about some Desertrats who would kill each other anyway even if no west existed
2. Go fuck a goat

Fuck off, Obama. You caused ISIS! I'm so looking forward to Trump kicking you out of your crackacrip.