We're fucked

We're fucked

rt.com/usa/372797-societal-collapse-2020-predictions/

>Professor predicts societal collapse in 2020s
>We are living in society’s twilight years – if a professor of ecology and mathematics from the University of Connecticut is correct. Studying history as a science with variables and trends, he predicts the 2020s will see massive instability.

>For some, our political future is frightening. Others find it exciting. But Professor Peter Turchin from the University of Connecticut claims that it is time to prepare for political turmoil that could rock society to its core.

>Turchin is known for developing a cross-disciplinary subject known as “cliodynamics,” which treats history like any other science, with predictions and models. He has been writing about the subject for some time, but three years ago he began working on predicting the future. One of his predictions was: “We should expect many years of political turmoil, peaking in the 2020s.”

>Turchin says that “the negative trends seem to be accelerating,” and that in three years, the path to instability will seem unavoidable. He was quick to point out that Donald Trump’s presidential election neither accelerates nor decelerates the process, but was simply a predicted aspect of his theory.

>Turchin’s concepts include “elite overproduction,” in which the rich grow richer and relate less and less to the poor. He said that elite overproduction would result in “ideological polarization and fragmentation of the political class.” He used the 2016 election as a prime example, and explained that the Republican party has shattered into different factions consisting of Traditional Republicans, Tea Party Republicans, and Trump Populists.

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At least you have diversity to fight off the apocalypse.

guy has a hari seldon-complex. nothing to see here.

YES YES YES YES!!!

We are fucked--but Russia and China seem to be aware and a re buying gold.

I'm excited. I hope it happens, we can start all over.
Being a young man in such a time is infinite opportunity.
Who here doesn't want to be part of some quasi-natsoc commune/tribe or feudal society in the semi-post-apocalypse and begin to forge our new nations?
Humanity ought to be forced back into a semi-medieval society with elements of industrialism. What we have now is unsustainable, psychologically.

The democratic master plan in action

Balkanization soon

Srs, I fantasize about this all the time. USA breaking into 100 or so warring micro-nations where I live in an embattled heavily militarized natsoc community.

>ITT angsty teens who welcome societal breakdown despite not having the life skills to survive without modern conveniences
This shit isn't the Hunger Games, kids. You're not going to grab a bow and start killing your own food. You're going to cry about a lack of internet to shitpost on, whine over the loss of Briebart and die of starvation because you spent your time tweeting memes instead of preparing for real life.

>Turchin’s concepts include “elite overproduction,” in which the rich grow richer and relate less and less to the poor.

The West is bankrupt--and look at all the wealth the "elite' have. The elite's wealth is the debt of the west.

Only one thing can really change this--a massive revaluation in the price of gold (to say $12,000 per ounce) to revert back to a solid system------or a hyperinflationary collapse like what is now in Venezuela.

A curious thing about a debt free society is that there is NO money--because modern money is a debt owed by government.

What the fuck? Balkanizing? How can you hope or restoring society in your image? It would be better for it to all end, and we rebuild the country in our rightist views.

Good. The Great cleansing is coming!

>be USA 2020
>Most white people have guns and good houses
>Rich people have stockpiles of guns,food and a bunker.
>This isn't a collapse, this is just God giving us a chance to get our countries back.

The only thing that's going to happen is European civil wars caused by the Muslim influx and the inability to forever pay for Islamic bennies. The EU does not have the money for it. Letting the migrants in was a deathblow, and now there's another 15 million African orcs wanting in. The Jews have destroyed Europe yet again.

Other than that, I can see Jews attempting to start a coup in the USA if/when Republicans start deporting the Democrats' illegally-voting base, because that would mean a Republican majority in perpetuity. They're not going to cede their control over the US political process without a fight, and Soros has already proven Jews will finance domestic terrorism.

This is what time traveller John Titor said happened when he came back from the future, and it's all coming true, just 10 years off:

>The most immediate of Titor's predictions was of an upcoming civil war in the United States having to do with "order and rights".[9] He described it as beginning in 2004,[10] with civil unrest surrounding the presidential election of that year. This civil conflict that he characterized as "having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse"[10] would be "pretty much at everyone's doorstep"[9] and erupt by 2008.

>As a result of the war, the United States would split into five regions based on various factors and differing military objectives. This civil war, according to Titor, would end in 2015 with a brief but intense World War III.

>Titor refers to the exchange as "N Day". Washington, D.C. and Jacksonville, Florida are specifically mentioned as being hit. After the war, Omaha, Nebraska would be the new U.S. capital. Titor was vague as to the exact motivations and causes for World War III. At one point, he characterized the hostilities as being led by "border clashes and overpopulation".[11] He also pointed to contemporary conflict between Arabs and Israel as not a cause, but rather a milestone that precedes a World War III.

>>be USA 2020
>>Most white people have guns and good houses
>>Rich people have stockpiles of guns,food and a bunker.
>>This isn't a collapse, this is just God giving us a chance to get our countries back.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, it got ugly.

KEK
WILLS
IT

>catastrophic event occurs, like EMP or nuke war or huge riots or whatever
>mass chaos breaks out, armed bands bring order to small areas, compete for resources with other groups

that is what will happen, it is inevitable.

You know nothing about the people behind the ID. I rather see a full scale nuclear war combined with yellowstone and nibiure before i live through another decade of the bullshit that is happening in my country.

I'll take my chances

This was probably one of the most redpilled movies ever.

10/10 feels

Jesus, in sixties/early seventies in US we had riots, major riots at political conventions, Russians and US waving nuclear missiles around, hot wars in Vietnam and Angola, The Six Day War, political leaders getting shot up JFK/RFK/MLK/Wallace/endless attempts on Ford, Nixon resigns presidency... and guess what everyone lived, the planet is still here.

But kids now a days are all, "Whoa, Russians fucking with their vassal states, and people killing each other in the Middle East, who'd have thunk it?" and the kids think it's the End of the World.

Jesus, get a grip. Better yet, get a job. And most of all -- Get off my Lawn.

>>Titor refers to the exchange as "N Day". Washington, D.C. and Jacksonville, Florida are specifically mentioned as being hit.
I know the Jaguars are a shitty football team, but I don't think Jax would get nuked for it

That sounds like a really great idea for a grand strategy game...

>civil war dealing with order and rights
Conservatives versus Liberals/ Trump supporters vs Hillarytards

>with civil unrest surrounding the presidential election of that year.
2016, yep.

>As a result of the war, the United States would split into five regions based on various factors and differing military objectives. This civil war, according to Titor, would end in 2015 with a brief but intense World War III.
After the collapse

>At one point, he characterized the hostilities as being led by "border clashes and overpopulation"
Illegals, muslims invading europe and the US, yep

>He also pointed to contemporary conflict between Arabs and Israel as not a cause, but rather a milestone that precedes a World War III.

Israel and Iran, Muslims and lone wolf terrorist attacks, yessir.

Yeah he's legit.

Any change will always lead to destabilization, by definition. Think of it as disruption as known when a new product/service changes the consumer market, like how mp3 files disrupted the market for record companies.

This is political disruption, if you want change in your society - then something needs to change and this change will lead to a destabilization.

There are many issues I personally have with our current society. to mention a few, I have no ethnicity and are not part of a people, I have no country. I don't recognize an African as a dane or a person that is part my cultural/ethno group - the society does. For them any ethno group or foreign culture is part of their national identity.
If you want to define something, then it means that you will have to exclude something. A car is a car because it is not a bike or a grape or a ... etc.
Also the general humanism is getting out of hand, we are unable to function, because the sanctity of human-rights. For instance Denmark was part of an international coalition to help bring stability to Afghanistan - almost a hundred Danish soldiers died fighting the Taliban. Now several Taliban soldiers have arrived in Denmark and sought Asylum - which they got. the reasoning is that you cannot send Taliban soldiers back to Afghanistan because it is not safe for them.

I don't think this is right, so I welcome any political disruption. Hopefully the new political consensus will be one more aligned with my line of thoughts.

Really made me think

You have strenght in diversity.

well... looks like I need to go in my great uncle farm
he has hunter rifles and pigs

...

>University of Connecticut
aka Yale's crackwhore sister

>Turchin is known for developing a cross-disciplinary subject known as “cliodynamics,” which treats history like any other science, with predictions and models.
I hvae skepticism. The only thing predictable about humans are their unpredictability. The staticians being proven wrogn by Trump's victory and Brexit to a lesser extent show this. Not to mention that even poorer have so much more better standards of living than even the Roman Emperors, so it's questionable that they aren't sedated into apathy for any political cause.

How come no one has sent the taliban quietly off into the night i.e. shot them dead

Because you gave them too many guns in the 80's.

this

you're going to be shit out of luck

>future is frightening
I've seen some shit. Only one thing that frightens me.

>The Kingdom
Hell yes. Soldiers of the South. Knights of Dixie!

I think this was the reasoning behind not sending Taliban soldiers back to Afghanistan - execution/torture by the Afghan government.

I meant in Denmark

A what now?

You wish.

Yes, retarded dad who wants to struggle through an utter shithole of a world where all flora and fauna has died, and selfishly drag his clueless son with him on the journey.

So very redpilled.

For once the women had the brains, I say.

They had no problem killing your countrymen

>Literally ignoring most of what's said to cherrypick the things that can be spun to fit it

That was BAD. He literally said WWIII would end in 2015

Sorry, that there'd be civil war that ends in 2015 with WWIII. That's two years ago.

So

Complete bullshit, that none of which came true?

What is the best plan of action?

Should I borrow as much as I possibly can?

John Titor was a fat physics autist with an early knack for internet virals.

Ill miss you fags. But say praise kek and i wont shoot you

Hari Seldon is a scientist in the foundation novels by Isaak Asimov. He develops a science he called "psychohistory", which proposes that on a galactic scale, the future can be predicted as the individual choices will grow insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You should really read them, it's a very interesting concept.

Pretty much.
The elite everywhere are segregating themselves from the plebes more and more.
The plebes see that a small handful of people have it much better.
What do they expect to happen?
The police can only protect you for so long before being completely overrun.

>Hari Seldon is a fictional character in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series. In his capacity as mathematics professor at Streeling University on the planet Trantor, Seldon develops psychohistory, an algorithmic science that allows him to predict the future in probabilistic terms. On the basis of his psychohistory he is able to predict the eventual fall of the Galactic Empire and to develop a means to shorten the millennia of chaos to follow. The significance of his discoveries lies behind his nickname "Raven" Seldon.

I have a friend who used to do this when he was a Ranger.

I'm going to invest in a shopping cart company. Everyone is going to want one to cart their shit in.

>The women had the brains

But she blew her brains out senpai

>Professor predicts societal collapse in 2020s

Some have been predicting this for decades. Like literally since the 90's if not longer.

The 2spooky part is we'll never know what the crisis is before it hits.

One day we're going to wake up in the 2020s and it'll be WWIII, the Great American Race War, a reverse Crusade, or a total economic collapse with little warning as to when or where it'll happen.

Money can exist without a 'government' goyim, just let us handle it.

stock up on bulk food (especially canned i.e. beans) and invest in some gold
obtaining a dog, a woman and a weapon also shouldn't hurt

You realise that if society collapses then survival of the fittest REALLY kicks in, right?

Survival of the fittest happens now, of course. But we agree to certain moral rules of peace (highly influenced by the violence of WWII).

If societal collapse happens, you better be big, and you better be strong. Otherwise you will get fucked.

This.
If we're going to go by statistics I'm pretty sure we should never believe the doomsday predictions, because they've never come true.

>trillion dollar note
>pride of Zimbabwe is three rocks stacked on each other.
Niggers are so incompetent. Watching them print money is like watching a baboon try to assemble a car

Or stop being a retard and keep living life normally because doomsday isn't coming.

Or better yet, get a fuckin job.

what gives you the authority to say when a global disaster is or isnt coming? most jobs will be worthless in case it does

The only workable solution is genius sperm banks and eugenics. women need to start popping out genius babies right now. These babies will grow up and save us from collapse.

I think this generation theory is a bit inaccurate in modern days. For instance why would the 90s be the collapse? thinks were okay in most western countries at that time.
One possibility is that the age is more dynamic, young adult stay "childish" longer, midlife stay at their peak longer. This would make some sense considering how people lived a hundred years ago or more, then compare it to today.
I recall a story I heard of George Washington, whom at the age of twenty commanded a british unit against the French. People at that time matured quicklier and died earlier.

the little difference is that nowadays the world economy is fucked, while at that time it trucked.

No Doomsday doesn't look close yet.

More violence will have to happen first.

Things like BLM riots, Trump riots. If those things flair up then US society will become anarchic. Violence everywhere.

In Australia you will be separated from that though - unless your own tensions over immigration and race flair up, and cause similar violence.

>you will never be a militia with a pet attack tiger that you can put on your flag

Anyone who can pass a basic gym class fitness test (eg; run a mile in 8 minutes or so), owns a gun, and has basic knowledge of edible plants and gardening skills will probably be able to sustain themselves just fine for the most part.
"Survival of the fittest" has never been meant to mean "life becomes a fitness competition"
To survive in nature, an animal doesn't need to be the fastest in the herd, it just can't be the slowest.

kid doesn't have to be a genius, just raised properly. i know i will raise my son to be able to express redpilled ideas in a clear and digestable manner in a variety of possible outcomes

Unironically this

HE'S HERE

another random person predicts the end of the world, yawn.

Didn't the mayans do the same? Didn't the book of revelations do the same? Didn't martin of tours do the same? Didn't y2k do the same? Didn't martin luther do the same? Didn't joseph morris do the same? Didn't charles manson do the same? Didn't nostradamus do the same?
In case you haven't noticed normal people get up everyday, go to work, come home, and repeat. When people stop wanting to put food on the table that's when the world will end. I don't see that being true anytime soon.

Mate all we have to see is the dollar collapse and everything will revert back to chaos. Our faux currency and "recovery" is past due to come crashing down.

It's 10 years off. The Many Worlds Interpretation. It's all happening just at a different date.

>professor of ecology (the fuck?) and mathematics commenting on history via politics

why do people do this. just because you have a professor tag in one field doesnt mean you can comment on any shit you want lmao

MAGIC TREE THAT HAS PREDICTED 12 THINGS CORRECTLY SAYS BREXIT WONT HAPPEN GUYS BREXIT BTFO

>Brexit happens

There is NO WAY Trump will EVER BE ELECTED HE HAS A 10% CHANCE OF WINNING LOOK AT ALL OF THESE POLITICAL SCIENTISTS SAYING HE CAN'T WIN LOOK TRUMP BTFO

>Trump wins
Honestly, how can anyone believe these "professors" and "experts" anymore? A title doesn't make you a fucking magician.

>>civil war dealing with order and rights
>Conservatives versus Liberals/ Trump supporters vs Hillarytards
Every scenario is always the same. Militias will sabotage the networks of roadway and trains depraving the cities of food. Thus besieging them.

Yet in the last year we have seen BLM and By Any means at every protest bringing cities into a state of lock-down and not one prediction envisions a socialist uprising in cities. Not one.

All I wanna do is purge the left.

Let me get this straight, you as a presumably grown man believe that someone was able to travel back in time from the future and post on a year 2000 message board on a break from a quest to recover an IBM computer from the 1970's. That's perfectly believable in your book?

>Studying history as a science with variables and trends
STOP
DOING
THIS.

Every time people do this they are fucking wrong.

When will people learn that you can't draw empirical evidence from reality when it comes to political science because the world's too fucking complex.

itt. quite a lot of shilling
yes yes be a good goy and keep running your hamster wheel and only watch (((approved))) news

You moron, just because he got the date wrong doesn't mean it won't happen at all. He's perhaps a decade off.

> rt
> societal collapse

hahahahahahahahahaha yea ok, divisive russian bullshit finding random (((professor)))

hahahaha proxyshills need to kys

I already have 4 tuna cans.
Will expand my preps with 2 dried codfish and some potatoes.

If you don't believe it's coming true you need to die first when the collapse occurs.

youtube.com/watch?v=hO1pn6D-t4M

ohh yes lord please,
let this happen.

Fuck off leaf real countries are talking here.

get some pasta and beans when you have time

not an argument

>a leaf in charge on what an argument is

Tbh it does seem that way but the libs have no guns and no food productions they would be the first to go. "Revolutions" start in the countryside and so far everything is going right for the country folk. Also its RT so of course they predict something bad happening in America.

not an argument

>For instance why would the 90s be the collapse? thinks were okay in most western countries at that time.

They admit their theory isn't perfect and mostly reflects a generational cycle of the US and UK and maybe some other European countries with some level of uncertainty thrown in.

They even say at the end of their most recent edition that Boomers/68ers could fuck it up hard.

The 90s wasn't a collapse. This is how they define an Unraveling.

>The mood of this era they say is in many ways the opposite of a High: Institutions are weak and distrusted, while individualism is strong and flourishing....[u]nravelings come after Awakenings, when society wants to atomize and enjoy.

It's not that things get worse, just that society begins to pull away from the cohesiveness, due to the cultural Awakening, left over from the High.

Even the whole Crisis period itself isn't bad, just the Crisis is something that tests the strength of a society and its people.

Even if it's woo-woo soothsaying to an extent, it's interesting stuff. They also called the 2007 recession back in the 90s to, more or less, the year.

britbongs should also be careful, the EU is not going to tolerate our rebellious shit for long

They can take a nuke to the face then.

Yes, I fully accept the implications of kill or be killed. That's how we lived for millennia, and I don't think that our ancestors were any more traumatized by the thought than we are. If anything they were well acclimated to it. Modern medicine insulates from most blood-and-guts situations, so when we do have to face it we shit the bed mentally.

You'd only be killed once, and afterwards you wouldn't give a fuck.

>CURRENT YEAR + 2
>battles being decided by physical strength

i'm glad i'm not the only one. the USA is a totally artificial and deracinated concept politically and the union grows weaker every day.