Is free health care too Christian a concept for a godless society like America?

Is free health care too Christian a concept for a godless society like America?

Yes. Welcome to capitalism.

There's nothing Christian about stealing somebody else's money at gunpoint.

Even if it is to pay for healthcare.

Jesus never said, "Rob from the rich to give to the poor."

He said, "Give what YOU have. Give freely of YOURSELF."

Too individualistic, also the reason why conservative free market capitalist exist but will never win the war

It's too untenable an idea for a society that wants to stay out of the poor house. """Free""" programs already consume even more of our money than our gargantuan military.
>The collective coerces you to give up money you earned to pay for other people's needs.
>Individualistic.

I don't understand how health care is supposed to be compatible with Capitalism.

If you read about the basic tenets of Capitalism it obviously won't work with health care, like the concept of market competition. There's no market competition in health care, there's like one fucking hospital per medium-sized city and only so many doctors.

I do support universal health care and don't see what's taking so fucking long to make it happen. Health care is NOT compatible with Capitalism.

"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."

2 Thessalonians 3:10

socialism is not christian.

>Jesus never said, "Rob from the rich to give to the poor."

Matthew 19:24: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Is robbing the rich not one of the most Christian things to do? Otherwise they wouldn't have a shot at going to heaven.

It isn't "free" when you force everyone to help pay for it including poor people through increased living costs and taxes.

No, because a true Christian society wouldn't have to rely on government for healthcare

>Matthew 19:24: "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
>When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
>Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."

Funny how you atheists always conveniently leave out that last part.

>BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE

So God isn't against free healthcare?

I think one of the things that makes me REEEEEEEEE the most as a white male is that niggers and fucking illegal spics get free healthcare while they do nothing, and I get a fairly shitty plan I have to pay for. Doesn't even knock much off prescriptions desu, but the dental isn't so bad. But if I was black or greasy brown I'd get it for free, so why do I have to pay for it? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No. You can still enter the Kingdom of God even if you are rich. The quote has nothing to do with healthcare, stop reaching.

It isn't even meant to be taken literally. IMO, it's more about not living a life based on greed and hedonism.

Germany once again BTFO by South Africa

Is capitalism too Islamic a concept for a godless society like Germany?

>“A woman who had been bleeding for twelve years came up behind Jesus and barely touched his clothes. She had said to herself, ‘If I can just touch his clothes, I will get well.’ Jesus turned. He saw the woman and said, ‘Don’t worry! You are now well because of your faith.’ At that moment, she was healed.” Matthew 9:20-22

>“Jesus went to every town and village. He taught in their meeting places and preached the good news about God’s kingdom. Jesus also healed every kind of disease and sickness.” Matthew 9:35

>“Is it easier for me to tell this crippled man that his sins are forgiven or tell him to get up and pick up his mat and go on home? I will show you that the Son of Man has the right to forgive sins here on earth. So Jesus said to the man, ‘Get up! Pick up your mat and go on home.’ The man got right up. He picked up his mat and went out while everyone watched in amazement.” Mark 2:9-12

>“As he was going into a village, ten men with leprosy came toward him. They stood at a distance and shouted, ‘Jesus, Master, have pity on us!’ Jesus looked at them and said, ‘Go show yourselves to the priests.’ On their way, they were healed. When one of them discovered he was healed, he came back, shouting praises to God. He bowed down at the feet of Jesus and thanked him.” Luke 17:12-16

>“After Jesus said this, he spit on the ground. He made some mud and smeared it on the man’s eyes. Then he said, ‘Go and wash off the mud in Siloam Pool.’ The man went and washed in Siloam, which means ‘One Who Is Sent.’ When he had washed off the mud, he could see.” John 9:6-7

If Jesus willingly provided free healthcare, why is providing free healthcare considered to be an unchristian thing now?

God isn't against free healthcare. Man has to give of himself freely to others in order to make healthcare free for others.

But, since we live in a World where it's easier to pick the low-hanging fruit (Christianity) because nobody will defend it, that's the only religion picked apart by Atheist vultures.

>that's the only religion picked apart by Atheist vultures.

Is wanting to provide free healthcare an inherently atheist thing?

>Instantaneously performing miracles is the same as spending half your life studying a craft, having people's lives in your hands on a daily basis, and only making as much as the government allows you to

made me reply

Yup. Land of circumcisions and million Dollar insurance costs for one dose of antivenom for your kids

Did he or did he not provide free healthcare?

Why is it bad to follow the examples he set?

Because the US isn't a theocracy.

>Is wanting to provide free healthcare an inherently atheist thing?

Go provide free healthcare, Dr. user. Nobody will refuse it.

Are you saying all nations that manage to provide free healthcare are theocracies?

Are you saying atheists are more Christian than Christians themselves?

Basing your nation's distribution of healthcare based on what the bible/Jesus says is.

An Atheist can be Christian without even realizing it.

So in your opinion, a nation united by Christian values is automatically a theocracy?

Nope.

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Is the reverse also true? Can a Christian be anti-christian without realizing it?

Because that would explain the current health care crisis in the States.

>care
>free
Nothing about any kind of service is really free. You can't make people take care of others.

That said, it would be nice to see some more charity and altruism out of my fellow man. OTOH, I live in a city where fake hobos are somewhat common, so the cynicism is justified to a degree.

What I want to know is why medical training in clapistan is so unreasonably expensive. For medical professions that are systemically important, I figure we would want more participants, not less.

>You can't make people take care of others.

You can, in a truly Christian culture.

>Free
Stopped reading there

Are you the user who posted the view from his apartment in an earlier thread?

Who pays the doctors and the nurses then?

Why does Germany care about the United States so much? Shouldn't you be under your bed or in the cellar hiding your wife and children from the Muslim refugees?

She needs to be cured by the power of the d, not by school medicine.

It should be taken from the rich people so that they may enter heaven one day.
Helping those in need and fleeing from war is a Christian moral imperative.

You argue like a child

>taken
Literally stealing which is breaking a commandment

>You argue like a child

"And they were bringing children to Him so that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. "Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." Mark 10:13-16

It's the only way to ensure rich people have a shot at entering heaven.

Why do you want rich people to go to hell instead?

>It's the only way to ensure rich people have a shot at entering heaven.

Jesus would have quite a few things to say on that line of thought.

>It should be taken from the rich people
stealing is a violation of Gods law
Also, what is to stop said rich people from leaving the country so they arent stolen from?

its called a mixed or hybrid market economy you dip, Denmark is more economically free than America yet we have universal healthcare and lower corporate tax.

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Idk if Jesus supported mafia criminals to extract money by force by everybody so that that same mafia could "provide" shitty inefficient "healthcare" in exchange for votes.

>stealing is a violation of Gods law
It's not stealing, it's making sure they satisfy the conditions for entering heaven. It's literally altruism.

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Why are you going in a circular argument now? Too stupid to know when to give up?

Nothing in his post refuted what I said. The point still stands: rich people are not entering heaven.

how about this america stops all foreign aid and dismantles its military to the point its at your fucking current level which is like 1/.8 our operational capacity then we have money for it and you krauts have to defend israel from the muslims since you want to make it about religion

The fuck? I think Hitler left the Gas on, Germanfag.

The South African bro literally smashed your argument in his post by completing the quotation you tried to use out of context in order to support your retarded theory on stealing.

I would support this.

Maybe this way you can eliminate "medical bankruptcy", a term that does not exist in any other developed country.

It's literally stealing by every definition. It's unconsentual taking of property by force. You're an idiot and everyone itt has called you out on it but you continue to make a fool of yourself.

You've already been proven wrong by that south African that it's not how rich enter heaven

Not really, Jesus words were quite clear, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

>It's literally altruism.
Its forcing another to be altruistic.
You also didnt address my second point about them just packing up and leaving.

>It's literally stealing by every definition.

Saving a person's soul is not stealing.

If I see you holding a pack of poisoned skittles, and you're about to put them in your mouth, but I take them away from you just in time, is that stealing?

Of course not. I've just saved your life and you should show a little gratitude instead of calling me a thief.

The rest of the quote proves you wrong and the South African BTFO you with it. Now you're just intentionally trolling after you've been beaten

Not, it doesn't, nothing in there negates what Jesus said prior to that: it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

steal
stēl/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: stealing
1.
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Literally stealing

With man this is impossible, BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."

You're literally BTFO

So you are saying that in the case mentioned above, it would be both immoral and illegal for me to safe your life?

As a Christian, I would still do it. Because I consider you my brother (or sister).

>BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE

Then why isn't providing free healthcare possible in the States?

Don't put words in my mouth and don't make up the most extreme unlikely example you can think of and pretend it proves anything.

You literally argue like a child

>You literally argue like a child

"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all." Mark 10:13-16

>moving the goalposts after your point is BTFO

>hahaha that means I can argue like a toddler and get away with it

The thread is literally about providing free healthcare.

How is me mentioning free healthcare "moving the goalposts"?

You don't make much sense.

You're pretending that quite didn't defeat your point, then as soon as you're forced to face the fact it did you quickly change to something else so you don't have to acknowledge you were wrong.

Your points have been defeated by every person you attempted to argue with in this thread and you've thoroughly made a fool of yourself.

When this happens to most people, they learn from it and modify their beliefs but you've shown this whole thread that you'll just go back to same circular arguments that were already defeated and refuse to acknowledge your own flawed logic.

Enjoy your willful ignorance

>The thread is literally about providing free healthcare.
The entire question is dismantled by one simple question:
>How are you going to pay for it?
You said by taking the money to pay for it from rich people.
You also fail to answer:
>What if that money isnt enough?
>What if the rich people simply leave the country with their money?

Why does Jesus providing free healthcare seem so unchristian to you?
Why do you think it's okay for the U.S. military to receive free planes and free aircraft carriers and free submarines, but it's not okay for the average citizen to receive free healthcare?

>free

See now youre going completely off topic here because your entire argument has been BTFO.
Were done here lads.
Sage and move on

Thanks for admitting defeat.

>Why do you think it's okay for the U.S. military to receive free planes and free aircraft carriers and free submarines
What makes you think any of these things are received for free?

>What makes you think any of these things are received for free?

They aren't paying for it. If you are given things without having to pay for them, they are literally received for free.

>free health care
>free

I see. So, in other words, you mean to say that your brand of Christianity looks the other way when the multinational multi-trillion-dollar pharmaceutical industry buys influence with govts such that those govts effectively look the other way when the pharmaceuticals charge hospitals thousands of dollars for a single aspirin while at the same time asking that same govt to force its citizenry to pay hefty seen and unseen taxes to cover the cost of all of that corruption.

No. Govt needs to get out of the healthcare business. Let the doctors and patients work out the cost of healthcare.

>I see.

Do you, though?

Because the rest of your posts makes it look like you aren't seeing at all.

read the ten commandments. those are gods words written in stone. its not about being rich and generous because you cant buy yourself into heaven. jesus came to end religious oppression and the hell that men bring in the name of good and takes gods name in vain while doing so.

The Ten Commandments are OT.

Jesus is all about the NT.

no, the ten commandments are written in stone by god. the old testament describes mans failure to follow the ten commandments because they can never be good even when they try. its better for men to not even try to be good, just follow the ten commandments and let jesus sort out the rest.

>no, the ten commandments are written in stone by god.

They were actually put in stone by Moses.

Have you ever even read the Bible? I think not.

god engraved the ten commandments which men couldnt follow. the ten commandments and the salvation through jesus christ protects you from people who want to force you to be good according to their own moral standards instead of gods own moral standard which is written in the ten commandments.

This is a Christian thread.

Leave now, Protestant scum.

you are a lucifarian that will chose hell over heaven because you cant see the real splendor of god

it's not free, it's theft, and it's not cheap nor efficient

liberalize heath services, liberalize secures, let society organice itself with voluntary associations and charities

liberalize patents that grant rights of monopoliced explotations of an innovation

it's not so complicated, it's fucked up due to politics, just undo the problem

>Is replacing God/the church with the state too communist for a God fearing society like America?

Yes

When its done through the state rather than charity? Yes

When's the last time anyone got a tumour removed by their local priest? Fuck off burgerboy.

finally the fucking health pack makes a good post

Free healthcare is a meme to keep pumping money into insurance companies which are basically giant racketeering scams.

>You can, in a truly Christian culture
Everything about Christianity is opposed to forcing people to do something.

>It should be taken from the rich people so that they may enter heaven one day
The rich must willingly give their wealth to help the poor for this to happen. Forcing them to give up their wealth against their will is theft and those that do will go to hell alongside the greedy

what about tithing? didnt God command his people to set aside a certain portion or crops for the poor to eat?

Dude, really? That would be like me asking "When is the last time anyone got a tumor removed by their local representative?". It's an asinine question a 14 year old would ask.

The question is, "How do the poor pay for a trip to the doctor?"
OP: We tax people until they leave the country.
Me: We foster a culture of charity and people give what they can when they want to.