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List of recommended Christian music, and books in the following posts. Feel free to add to the lists.
Reposting my Apostolic Christianity recommended books:
>GENERAL
The Bible (Ignatius Study Bible Recommended) The catechism of your denomination
>accepted English versions of Bible
NABRE Douay Rheims RSV
>THEOLOGY
>novice
Introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger The Last Superstition by Edward Feser The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton Mere Christianity CATHOLICISM by Robert Barron The Orthodox Way by Kallistos Ware Outlines of Moral Theology by Francis J. Connell
>intermediate
Scholastic Metaphysics by Edward Feser God: His Existence and His Nature by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange Natural Theology by Bernard Boedder The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Etienne Gilson Against Heresies City of God Christianity for Modern Pagans The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church
>advanced
Apologia Pro Vita Sua Summa Contra Gentiles Summa Theologiae On the Incarnation The Didache Divine Names by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite
Part 1/2
Bentley Lopez
protestantism denies the church fathers
Luke Green
Part 2/2 >SPIRITUAL LIFE
>novice
The Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales Story of a Soul by St. Therese The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Fr Seraphim Rose Nihilism - Fr Seraphim Rose
>intermediate
The Interior Castle Spiritual Exercises by St. Ignatius Dialogues by St. Catherine of Sienna True Devotion to Mary True Devotion to the Holy Spirit
>advanced
The Cloud of Unknowing The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross The Desert Fathers The Philokalia The Ladder of Divine Ascent New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis
>MEMETICS
Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World by Rene Girard I See Satan Fall Like Lightning by Rene Girard
>HISTORICAL/BIOGRAPHICAL
Rome Sweet Home The Long Loneliness by Dorothy Day After Virtue Christendom I: Founding of Christendom Theology and Social Theory by John Millbank Ethics and the Limits of Philosophy by Bernard Williams Life of St.Anthony by Saint Athanasius Life of St Francis of Assisi by Saint Bonaventure Silouan the Athonite by Archimandrite Sophrony The Autobiography of St. Ignatius Loyol
>FICTION
Don Quixote The Divine Comedy Paradise Lost Silence by Shusaku Endo A Canticle for Leibowitz Faust Les Miserables The Canterbury Tales The Man Who Was Thursday The Brothers Karamazov A Man for All Seasons The Pillars of the Earth The Lord of the Rings The Chronicles of Narnia Lord of the World Parzifal Joseph of Arimathea: A Romance of the Grail The Arthurian Cycle Quo Vadis
Sebastian Anderson
hoe hum
Round 3, I've spent almost 6 hours talking in these threads.
Good night Wolf, have a good sleep. Thanks for starting all these threads, and chat to ya next week!
I'm driving my siblings somewhere so I'll join you all in 20 mins or so.
God Bless you all!
Daniel Ward
How would one go about finding a good traditional Catholic church to attend mass? I've come to terms that I've never lost faith in God, it was the Catholic church that I've lost faith in.
Aiden Gonzalez
>Popery >Apostolic Christianity Pick one
Christopher Scott
How can anyone take xtianity seriously in 2016?
The earth isn't 5000 years old and there's no magic man in the sky
How stupid can you be?
Eli Bailey
Goodnight, man. Glad to have had you.
Nolan Gonzalez
Don't join Babylon, become a Christian instead
Adrian Phillips
But why protestantism contradicts all the fathers?
Christopher Stewart
Thanks for the new thread, really didn't want to wait until next Sunday for a new one.
There's so many different denominations in Christianity and it confuses me. Surely God can't mean a million different things when he says one thing. Have you got any material I can read that highlights the key difference between the different types of Christianity?
Jaxon Baker
is anime sinful?
Kayden Lopez
Night, user, I'll be leaving during this thread too. I'll see you on sunday.
Nolan Moore
This is a sample of the approved Traditional Latin Masses being offered in the US and Canada as of January 04, 2017 ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm
>The earth isn't 5000 years old and there's no magic man in the sky nice strawmanning user, I swear I never heard this particular atheist rant in my whole life, you are so original and such an independent thinker
Adam Reed
Fuck off, Wolfy. Go shitpost somewhere else. Every fucking thread it's this same pasta you post every onr of these threads you make. Yes
Nicholas Rodriguez
>House of satan.jpg
Carson Rogers
An autist destroys you on the topic of the church fathers and the consequence of your crappy calvinism
Now this is truly amazing
Landon Edwards
Thanks for this OP. Way too many heathen degenerates on this site.
Christopher Peterson
How do protestant denominations come to an understanding of the truth when they disagree about their intepretation of the Bible?
Andrew Ramirez
r/atheism pls go We don't like Evangelicals either so stop acting like we're them.
The most common method is looking for a place with a Latin Mass but I'm sure there's a way to google traditionalist subdivisions in your area.
Noah Rivera
I like how I can tell which guy was the "I'll rek all the proddies" guy in the last thread and which guy was the Protestant just by watching them post. Talk about predestination - These two will wind up clashing with each other no matter what.
Jace Torres
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Owen Garcia
I want more so that I can debunk protestants misquote of the fathers
Oliver Gomez
Romans 14
Christopher Ramirez
But you are an autist?
Matthew Robinson
>I am retarded: the post
Carter Morgan
>not an argument
Lucas Johnson
Sage
David Lewis
>How do protestant denominations come to an understanding of the truth By the one named Spirit of Truth
Brody Myers
Christian bros let's have a theological discussion
Is God Wholly Separate from the Material Universe?
Nathan Rodriguez
I like it.
Jaxson Nguyen
Evangelical is a synonym of Christian
Chase Richardson
That doesn't answer the question
Matthew Hughes
No. I will shitpost here.
>I hunger for heretics
user pls
Nolan Smith
Maybe denomination was the wrong word. I meant things like Protestants, Catholics, Anglicans and so on. What are the difference between these?
Colton Baker
>Romans 14 not an argument
lol not an argument either. How do you decide which one has the Spirit of Truth?
Benjamin Nelson
Yes and that also includes time
Adrian Phillips
100 years ago you had the exact same beliefs as evangelicals
Evan Walker
go to hell pagan
Bentley Nelson
"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."
"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.
Is this true?
Lincoln Walker
Not wholly separate. That's dumb. He made Christ and all.
Michael Flores
>not an argument Yes it is
In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity. - Augustine of Hippo >How do you decide which one has the Spirit of Truth You test it by the scriptures
Lincoln Edwards
Should probably put this list of every church in the US and Canada that offers Traditional Latin Masses.
>everyone I don't like is a pagan: the judaizer guide to theological discourse why do you hate the Mother of God, user?
Robert Smith
Christ is God
Wyatt Johnson
In essentials. Which of course protestants also cannot agree upon
Lucas Miller
Oy Gevalt! This thread is like anudda shoah!
Charles Bennett
>Yes it is it really isn't >In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity. who decides what is essential and nonessential? >You test it by the scriptures What happens then when the people who are testing the Scriptures and both claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit still come up with a contradicting conclusion?
Brandon Wilson
Cyril would strongly rebuke you for using that term to glorify Mary The essentials are the trinity and the 5 solas If it's non-Trinitarian it's not Protestant, if it doesn't have the 5 solas it's not Protestant.
Camden Lopez
Can someone redpill me on pope francis? Some people say he's good, others just say that he's a puppet to liberal agenda in order to make christians less conservative. All I heard by myself were the history channel documentaries about him (trying?) to end the corruption in vatican
Oliver Sullivan
>Cyril would strongly rebuke you for using that term to glorify Mary Is Jesus God?
Easton Rodriguez
>who decides what is essential and nonessential? His name is Spirit of Truth >What happens then when the people who are testing the Scriptures and both claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit still come up with a contradicting conclusion? Why do you distrust His word user? Why don't you believe what He revealed in 2 Timothy 3:16-17?
Brody Murphy
Yeah, but Christ was a physical entity. So saying that God is wholly separate from the physical world is nonsense.
Andrew Bennett
And the eucharist And the way sola Fide works And of free will And of the atonement And of baptism And of whether Grace is irresistible or not
Brayden Price
>Is God Wholly Separate from the Material Universe? If he was that would mean he wouldn't exist. So, yes, because he doesn't exist.
Kayden King
and Free Will, 20 (426-427):
This question, then, seems to me to be by no means capable of solution, unless we understand that even those good works of ours, which are recompensed with eternal life, belong to the grace of God, because of what is said by the Lord Jesus: "Without me ye can do nothing." Jn. 15:5... We are framed, therefore, that is, formed and created, "in the good works which" we have not ourselves prepared, but "God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." It follows, then, dearly beloved, beyond all doubt, that as your good life is nothing else than God's grace, so also the eternal life which is the recompense of a good life is the grace of God; moreover it is given gratuitously, even as that is given gratuitously to which it is given. But that to which it is given is solely and simply grace; this therefore is also that which is given to it, because it is its reward;-grace is for grace, as if remuneration for righteousness; in order that it may be true, because it is true, that God "shall reward every man according to his works."(Mt. 16:27). NPNF1, vol. 5, pp. 451-2.
Landon Foster
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Caleb Turner
why is a woman dressed as a priest?
Charles Brown
You're right, eternal off-topic shitposting tgreads are good. We need more of them.
Benjamin Ross
They don't. They make interpretations that are comfortable for them, without the guidance of the Holy Spirit gained from properly receiving the Sacraments.
Zachary Carter
>If it's non-Trinitarian it's not Protestant, where's the word "trinity" and "trinitarian" in the Bible? I thought you were sola scriptura? How can you use a word that is not in the Bible?
>His name is Spirit of Truth ok how do you know who has it and who hasn't? What happens if both claim to have it, and come up with different interpretations of the Bible? >Why do you distrust His word user? Why don't you believe what He revealed in 2 Timothy 3:16-17? That verse just says that Scripture is "useful", not that is sufficient. What happens when those who use the Bible for reproof still come up with a different interpretation? How do you find out who is right?
Hunter Howard
I agree
Brayden Howard
>Some people say he's good, others just say that he's a puppet to liberal agenda in order to make christians less conservative. All he's done is make me more traditionalist kek
Easton Robinson
>Christ's sacrifice is once-for-all
And?
>Of a wheat idol
Come again? So now you are saying that Christ commanded us to worship wheat? That would indeed be idolatry, my friend; therefore, you are in fact proving the case for the Real Presence.
>Of thanks
And? Melchizedek was a sacerdotal priest who also offered wheat and wine too.
>What miracle?
The multiplication of loaves:
>11 Then Jesus took the loaves, and when he had GIVEN THANKS, he distributed them to those who were seated; so also the fish, as much as they wanted.
He gives thanks and a miracle - not a metaphor - follows.
William Wright
If you take a closer look at that you find that it also makes mention of tradition as in the stuff the apostles taught
Bentley James
Ya got me brah
How will I ever recover?
Blake Mitchell
of course. Pic related
William Fisher
Cyril supports veneration of saints and says "Christ said indicating (the bread and wine): 'This is My Body,' and "This is My Blood," in order that you might not judge what you see to be a mere figure. The offerings, by the hidden power of God Almighty, are changed into Christ's Body and Blood, and by receiving these we come to share in the life-giving and sanctifying efficacy of Christ."
Source: St. Cyril of Alexandria, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew 26,27, 428 A.D.:
Brayden Bailey
So buttblasted you can't even type straight.
Ryder Hughes
in anime everything is possible user
Thomas Robinson
I believe the doctrinal position is that God created all and is separate from His creation in substance but yet constantly sustains and maintains all of creation and so is closely connected to it all. It is proper to say that because of this relationship between God and creation that we can see reflection of God's will through reality itself.
I'm a bit tired so that's probably worded poorly but I hope you get me.
LOLNO
r00d as fuck Pray for your enemies and act in charity while you oppose.
Levi Parker
Will look into it, thanks.
William Turner
Catholicism is a system of satanism.
Why do you think so many priests are caught for pedophilia?
Wyatt Edwards
Reminder that you can't be catholic and racist at the same time :)
Hunter Baker
Sure is Notice I did not deny she is Mother of God, I denied that gives you the right to worship her. >And the eucharist No >And the way sola Fide works If Antinomians are Protestant then Modalists are Trinitarian >And of free will No >And of the atonement No >And of baptism No >And of whether Grace is irresistible or not No Amen. >where's the word "trinity" and "trinitarian" in the Bible? Where's the word "catholic" in the bible? >I thought you were sola scriptura? How can you use a word that is not in the Bible? This is one of the worst argument i've ever heard. 0/10 >ok how do you know who has it and who hasn't? Bible >What happens if both claim to have it You test by the bible >That verse just says that Scripture is "useful", not that is sufficient. "All scripture is God-breathed ... so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work." In other words, sufficient. >What happens when those who use the Bible for reproof still come up with a different interpretation? How do you find out who is right? The bible happens to be true whether men twist it or not. I, apperantly unlike you, am not a postmodernist. >And? Never represented >So now you are saying that Christ commanded us to worship wheat? No >That would indeed be idolatry, my friend; therefore, you are in fact proving the case for the Real Presence. Where did Jesus command us to worship the Eucharist? >Melchizedek was a sacerdotal priest who also offered wheat and wine too Melchizedek is Christ. >The multiplication of loaves There is no parralel.
Cooper Bell
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Kevin Martin
>100 years ago you had the exact same beliefs as evangelicals nope
Jordan Watson
I consider myself fairly moderate on the whole Pope Francis debate so I'll have a go at this.
I believe that Pope Francis is neither good nor bad, probably leaning bad but not because of himself. I believe that what he is doing is very Christian and so far (as long as you read what he actual says and how he stands) hes stayed true to the Catholic faith. However many people are quite conservative and would prefer more vocal opposition against things like Islam. And others against Francis are stupid and don't bother to read what he says, or are LARPing and don't understand that it is true we should be more welcoming to Gays to the Church. That does not mean we accept homosexual behaviour or encourage or even tolerate it, it just means we shouldn't tell Gay people to fuck off just cause they're tempted for cock. But others just ignore that part of Christianity.
As to why I say he may be leaning bad. There are many groups and people disenfranchised so to say with the Church at the moment believing its falling to modernism. Due to the way that Francis portrays himself, they feel that its falling away from its roots. Whereas a more conservative pope would comfort them and bring more disenfranchised people in. Potentially even Sedevancasits or whatever they're called.
Cosplaying
Nathan Sanchez
That says the content of scripture is identical to the content of tradition. Implies scriptural sufficiency.
Grayson Cooper
You baiters realize that most if not all catholics (and other religious people) on Sup Forums have heard all this weak bait before, most of them have had their crisis of faith before and some also went through the edgy atheist teen years right?
Adam Richardson
G-guys... how do I become a Catholic? I want a good Christian wife, and to raise many good Christian children.
I just wanna be good.
Jayden Bailey
>Muh racism
Bug off, kike.
Elijah Scott
Simon of Trent's feast day is March 24th.
Jack Carter
Are you trying to make an argument here? I'm Asian and Catholic, does that upset you larper?
Justin Miller
>Notice I did not deny she is Mother of God, wut? YOu said that the title Mother of God was bad. Are you really backpedalling this hard already? > I denied that gives you the right to worship her. It doesn't matter how many times you claim we worship her. We don't. Your argument is literally based on a rejection to admit a provable fact.
Lucas Kelly
>where's the word "trinity" and "trinitarian" in the Bible? I thought you were sola scriptura? How can you use a word that is not in the Bible? I also would like to see where they find "Sola Scriptura" or "Bible" in the Bible. Or the Bible is the only source of knowledge.
Hooray I may get a final Good night to ya Wolf. Sleep well and see you next week. >Forgot to save this in Christchan folder, but its got your filename
Kevin Peterson
>heretic
Levi Edwards
Denominations for the most part really aren't as divided as some might lead you to believe. Its more of a personalization thing than a "I'm the only one that's right" type of thing, at least that's how I always saw it. Imo except for some outstanding examples (methodists think homosexuality isn't sodomy[it is]), the only divisions that really matter are between Catholics, Orthodoxes, Traditionalist Protestants, and Progressive Protestants. Most denominations will welcome you even if you outright proclaim that you do not consider yourself a member of that sect anyway.
Christopher Gray
Been going to mass for six weeks now and meeting with a catholic professor for lunch once a week. Was an atheist for ten years or so.
Catholicism is way different to what I expected it to be. The sacramental worldview makes a lot more sense to me than evangelical Protestantism ever did. I'm getting pretty close to pulling the trigger and joining an RCIA group.
Luke Butler
>Why do you think so many priests are caught for pedophilia? Because homosexuals are sodomites and drawn to committing sodomy with little boys?
Lincoln James
What happened to /chg/? It was pretty dope, got some good answers outta there.
