Live in a "Communist Utopia"

>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
>Be an engineer
>Work tirelessly, spend hours and learn your craft, design and build a machine which will make the lives of millions better.
>mfw the government just takes the machine and you aren't compensated for it.
>mfw my hard work is stolen from me and the government makes money from my hard work.
>mfw I try to protest and I get locked up in gulag and my whole family is lined up against a wall and shot for high treason.

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What's your point?

with communism you lose

>Work tirelessly, spend hours and learn your craft, design and build a machine which will make the lives of millions better.
>mfw the corporation just takes the machine and you aren't compensated for it.
>mfw my hard work is stolen from me and the corporation makes money from my hard work.

>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
>Be an engineer
>Be a lazy fuck
>don't work as hard as OP
>work only hard enough not to be shot
>make the same amount
>mfw lefty pol will defend this

communism havesn't ever been truly tested

>>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
>Utopia literally means "nowhere"

Now, back to the real issues that get you banned: change.org/p/berkeley-unified-school-district-fire-yvette-felarca

>be engineer in capitalist system
>oh i made a great discovery at work
>thanks user, we'll take it from here
>ok boss
>oh i made a great discovery at home
>thanks user, we'll take it from here
>but boss i did it at home
>user do you even read contracts? its under "intellectual property in the same field"

I think its widely known already that Communism is a gigantic pile of shit

Already signed it.

Sounds great desu.
But whatever, keep productivity high at the workplace goy, you wouldn't want to disappoint Mr. Goldstein, would you?

The education of an engineer is compensation enough comrade, what are you, a capitalist swine?

This

same shit different system

No nigger we have patents for that, protecting whoever can prove they invented it by law.

>Live in "Capitalist Utopia"
>Be an engineer
>can't find work
>starve

Most of sci-fi universes have communism (e.g. StarTrek). Abundance of energy means automatic production -> abundance of everything -> no need for money.

It's the future, like it or not (although it would be dumb not to like it).

"Mr Goldstein" exists in your communist fantasy too, retard. Except now he's holding a gun.

> Live in Communist utopia
> Starve

Thats the price you have to pay for degenerate people not wanting to do anything, but sit around and get high. It wouldn't be fair if you were treated differently.

>Live in a "Capitalist Utopia"
>Be an engineer
>Work tirelessly, spend hours and learn your craft, design and build a machine which will make the lives of millions better.
>mfw the rival companies just takes the machine and you aren't compensated for it.
>mfw my hard work is stolen from me and the rival makes money from my hard work.
>mfw I try to protest and I get locked up in for-profit jail system and my whole family has to go on welfare.

>be teenage user years back in high school
>be an edgy 14 year old anarchist who wants to "fight evil capitalism and free the worker."
>also want to produce art
>be on a anarcho-communist forum and see a thread discussing that artists should not have the right to keep their IP and all creations that an artist or other makes should be available to everybody and not owned by one person.
>make a post saying that its odd to have a political rhetoric about abolishing oppression only for an artists hard work to not be rewarded and for their creations to be controlled by society without their permission.
>get banned from the forum.
>Never ever want to be communist or anarchist ever again and develop real political beliefs.

HAHAHA. Almost every contract in the Western world includes a clausule signing away your intellectual property to the company.

>Improved the lives of millions
>Aided the progress of your entire species
>'B-b-but I want to buy more plastic shit to feel superior to my neighbour'

>what are patents/IP law

>me engineer
>me not know politics
>me want big daddy state to recognize me

>what is small fish/big fish?

>every single attempt at communism fails
>yeah but that wasn't reeeeaaaaal communism
So either the manual for building communism is flat out wrong, or you're chasing an impossible ideal.

What would be the point of IP law in an anarchist society?
You wouldn't even be able to make a profit by stealing someone's idea
It'd be like punishing someone for stealing a joke or telling the same story

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Eugene Stoner got ten dollars for every rifle of his design ever built.

Alexander Kalashnikov got a piece of ribbon and fucking NOTHING else.

Capitalism objectively rewards excellence better. End of discussion. Now go smash your own teeth out with a hammer so that you can hand them out to niggers who didn't have dentists growing up you repulsive criminal.

All Socialists are thieves. Come for my "means of production" and I'll blow a hole in your belly the size of a softball and snapchat your screaming, agonized death to your mother. And I'll have done nothing wrong.

>Be engineer
>pay into engineer union
>union keeps engineers on skilled work visa list so visa workers have to pay for union accreditation fees
>Too many engineers in country, union you payed for to represent your rights is cheating you out of any chance of a job
>Australia

>what is a patent

Under capitalism, no one forces you to sign the contract. You're absolutely free to try to create your own company and sell your own intellectual property if you feel like it.
The corporation isn't "stealing" anything from you if you willingly sign up to a contract with them.

Unlike in communism, where you're either a factory slave, a farm slave, a gulag slave, a military slave, or a dead slave.

Communism hinges on the Labor Theory of Value, which states that the value of a freely reproduceable good depends on the socially necessary labor time involved in it's construction.

But wait! How can there be ANY freely reproducable good? No two objects however seemingly identical can occupy the same space at the same time, they cannot truly be the same. Given then that there are zero freely reproduceable goods, the LToV has no application, and Marxist Communism has no basis!

Nobody forced you to agree to the terms

>Mr Goldstein doesn't hold a gun already

literally lmaoing @ u

The idea of communism/socialism was people would evolve into the "socialist man", a person who would act completely selflessly and the fact he was helping people would be enough. He would also never take more than he needed

It's obvious to anyone this is retarded and communism is bullshit, but baseless idea of the "socialist man" and communism was thoroughly ripped to pieces in the 20s and 30s.

It's purely properganda, oversimplification and a completely lack of understand that has sustained the idea of communism.

Some people have tried to dodge that bullet and talk about "post scarcity communism" which is even more hilariously dumb

Just look at the guy who made tetris back then in USSR and you will know how fucked up it was :(

See Kalashnikov

They give you medals and fame

Under capitalism, he fires you and you starve in the street.
Under communism, he LITERALLY murders you in a gulag.

Yeah, there's a bit of a difference.

>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
>pick some berries and mushroom in the forest
>own family calls the police
>executed for stealing from the state
>family sent to gulag for being corrupted
very common in the USSR

Youre really splitting hairs with that one.

The real problem is when trying to value and idea or concept. Marxism has no real basis for that.

then why do communists worship stalin and castro?

>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
Commies in Russia called it a "Developed Socialism"
>Be an engineer
And earn less then a factory worker.
That was the policy, i shit you not. You had to work at least for a decade or so to get on par or maybe earn a little bit more than an average alcoholic sweatback.
It's not fair to diminish their role and hard work, but stereotypes exist for a reason.
>Work tirelessly, spend hours and learn your craft, design and build a machine which will make the lives of millions better.
>mfw the government just takes the machine and you aren't compensated for it.
You'd get your compensation in form of... well, medals. Awards. Maybe a prestigious position in some engineering department or research center, but that's about it, yes.
>mfw my hard work is stolen from me and the government makes money from my hard work.
Suprisingly, yes, you are correct. Government acquired produced goods and """redistributed""" them to the population in exchange for money.
Deficit, shortages of everything, black market and theft everywhere. If you want something, you either buy it from the black market or make a deal with some corrupt (read: any) state's bureaucrat and acquire this item illegally. And i'm talking about some basic things, like clothing or new stationary telephone, or a car. What a glorious times.
>mfw I try to protest and I get locked up in gulag and my whole family is lined up against a wall and shot for high treason.
Gulags were destroyed after the Stalin's death. There was a process of rehabilitation, flawed, but it's still better than nothing.
But yeah, you would go to jail and depending on your situation commies could order their pet criminals to rape you and force you to sleep near the toilet hole for years, just to keep you docile and obedient. Or just for some old good fun.

sigh

>granddad is dentist
>makes revolutionary discovery about dentistry
>communist state gives him apartment in the center of the capital
>his job is guaranteed for life
>highest available pension
>offered to be made high-ranking member of communist party (basically become one of the ultra-wealthy, bitch-fucking elite)
>refuses
>would be shot usually, its just accepted quietly
>is given the best car available
>is frequently sent abroad to present his discovery
>is sent to Moscow and received as a honorary guest
>gets to consistently fuck bitches after showing his huge plethora of medals

Yeh, no.

Communism did great with science, sport and culture, significantly better than capitalism does.

It's economy, security, freedom and others where communism failed.

>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
>Censorship
>Scarcity of food
>No freedom of speech (no freedom at all basically)
>High level of corruption

what's the deal with engineers and scientists bitching about muh money
even if you are 100% right nobody asked you to choose that career

>And earn less then a factory worker.

I dunno what you're on about, my great-granddad was a railway engineer and made fuckloads more than a factory worker.

Maybe you're confusing types of engineers, because everyone and his dog was an "engineer" during communism and half the time that meant jack shit.

>You'd get your compensation in form of... well, medals. Awards. Maybe a prestigious position in some engineering department or research center, but that's about it, yes.

As I listed above, for great discoveries and achievements there were adequate rewards in science.

>Suprisingly, yes, you are correct. Government acquired produced goods and """redistributed""" them to the population in exchange for money.

Yes, that is true.

>Deficit, shortages of everything, black market and theft everywhere. If you want something, you either buy it from the black market or make a deal with some corrupt (read: any) state's bureaucrat and acquire this item illegally. And i'm talking about some basic things, like clothing or new stationary telephone, or a car. What a glorious times.

Yeh, you're right, mostly western goods, but anyway.

I don't know how this has any bearing with OP's comment about science.

>But yeah, you would go to jail and depending on your situation commies could order their pet criminals to rape you and force you to sleep near the toilet hole for years, just to keep you docile and obedient. Or just for some old good fun.

True, commies had pretty high power over you. Kinda like the current elite, although yes, a lot more brutish.

When will you fucks learn to judge communism objectively and learn its lessons instead of "WAAAH IT WAS HORRIBLE" or "HORRAY IT WAS GLORIOUS".

They are dumbasses. You can convince them to join ISIS in a month or less.

>>Improved the lives of millions
>>Aided the progress of your entire species

>Commies Believe this unironically
Starving a country so you could send a dog to space isn't progress. Even during the great depression Americans had a high standard of living and food on their table, unlike the low points of the USSR and every other communist experiment ever run.

Authoritarian dictators get shit done, regardless if their rallying calls are fascism, communism or capitalism

communism is bad, kangaroo

>Alexander Kalashnikov got a piece of ribbon and fucking NOTHING else.

Fuck man, he wasn't even that good of a football player, he never even scored a goal. He got a MEDAL?

no
youtube.com/watch?v=w8iS7bPsCuE

>3 hour video

I ain't got time for that shit gyppo

Atleast we didn't lie about our achievments.
>"First man on the Moon"
What a joke.

>be Sweden
>can't make fun of anyone because bottom of food chain
>get ridiculed everywhere you go
>try to make fun of as commonly hated a subject as communism
>still kinda pathetic because of your flag

Who are you kidding Ahmed

(this isn't a comment on communism of any kind)

a sign of the white cis male patriarchy that needs to be smashed of course.

continue having a pakistani muslim mayor of london, then

>shit kicking technician who's barely qualified to loom cables earns the same salary as you as does the woman who cleans the toilets

>As I listed above, for great discoveries and achievements there were adequate rewards in science.

Like "not getting shot", "getting some medals of appreciation from genocidal lunatics", "getting an apartment in a shithole city", and "getting a car, which he could have bought himself with his wages if he was being paid normally under capitalism"?

Yeah, that excuses all the other horrors of communism!

You didn't build that! Your machines belong to me-, the proletariat, I mean!

In a "Communist Utopia" you wouldn't be making that machine with the expectation of receiving tangible compensation for it.

You'd be making it selflessly.

Because watching a jewtube video is going to change the opinions of 10 million people I don't know and deport all the pakis

Are you upset because of the terror attacks in your country?

>somehow missing the free travel everywhere, being a guest of honor, job for life, highest pension, offer to become prat of the wealthy elite, secure future for his children

Try a little harder, please.

>offered to be made high-ranking member of communist party (basically become one of the ultra-wealthy

So how is this communism exactly? I thought communism meant that everyone was equally wealthy and so there should be no such thing as ''the best car''.

Anyway communism is a shitty system and will never work as long as people have experienced capitalism because it's simply a better system (not perfect but better).

>You'd be making it selflessly.

This meme sucks.

Can't even make this shit, YOU are talking about Terrorists?

Look at your flag son

> I dunno what you're on about, my great-granddad was a railway engineer and made fuckloads more than a factory worker.
After a decade of hard work?Yes.A little bit more.
My father was in engineer in USSR, so i kinda know this stuff. He jumped at the first opportunity to get into private sector in the late 80s.
> Maybe you're confusing types of engineers, because everyone and his dog was an "engineer" during communism and half the time that meant jack shit.
I'm talking about people who were planning and constructing roads, design new equipment for mass production, make adjustments for advanced tech like submarines, rockets, jets.
> As I listed above, for great discoveries and achievements there were adequate rewards in science.
My father made more money working in private sector for a year, than he had made after 8 years slaving away in bureau.
> Yeh, you're right, mostly western goods, but anyway.
Cars? Good clothing? Apartments? Land to build a small country house? Most of the materials required to do a little home renovation were so fucking rare, that people who worked in construction were making twice their monthly salary selling that stuff under the table.
> True, commies had pretty high power over you. Kinda like the current elite, although yes, a lot more brutish.
There are brutish ways, callous ways, insanely cruel ways and then, there are the commie ways.
Don't underplay how sadistic and shameless they were in their dealings with undesirables.
> When will you fucks learn to judge communism objectively and learn its lessons instead of "WAAAH IT WAS HORRIBLE" or "HORRAY IT WAS GLORIOUS".
Objectively? Alright. Some things were better than now. Somewhat more secure for a general public, if you don't dissent.
A lot better for unskilled workers/generally unmotivated people.
Education was alright, but somewhat archaic. Prussian schooling system got old long before the 60s/70s.
Degeneracy was lest rampant, yeah.
All other aspects? Totally worse.

>very common in the USSR
Bait or just retarded?

>So how is this communism exactly? I thought communism meant that everyone was equally wealthy and so there should be no such thing as ''the best car''.

You honestly thought that's how communism worked?

Lel no

There was the party and the people in the party were above everyone else. Incidentally they were at least about 10% of the entire country.

Then you had people like teachers and professors and scientists, who were slightly privilidged.

Sports people were almost always above everyone else.

Doctors were usually above regular workers.

And so on and so forth.

>Anyway communism is a shitty system and will never work as long as people have experienced capitalism because it's simply a better system (not perfect but better).

That's an emotional and not an objective thought and you are depriving yourself of the valuable lessons that communism taught us because someone in a book or on tv once told you you should think like this.

Aside from the part where you said it's a shitty system, that's pretty much true.

Again, all things that you get under capitalism when you make a groundbreaking invention.

So far, the only tangible differences that you've managed to highlight between communist and capitalist science are the medals (which is a nice concept, and there's no reason why we can't have it under capitalism), and that whole "getting shot for disobedience" elephant in the room.

Yes Sweden is filled with akbars but they have yet to attack us, unlike you

>america never landed on the moon maymay
this one's my favorite.

>Live in a "Communist Utopia"
>Be a biologist
>Work tirelessly, spend hours and learn your craft, study genetics indepths for decades at the behest of glorious motherland
>insist on the very tangible reality of genetic diversity among humans
>mfw the government just assassinates me for being racist and spreading hate facts
>mfw they kill my whole family too just for good measure

>My father was in engineer in USSR

What kind of engineer? Where? That's pretty fucking important. Even nowadays, if you're an engineer in capitalist buttfuckistan you're fucked.

>I'm talking about people who were planning and constructing roads, design new equipment for mass production, make adjustments for advanced tech like submarines, rockets, jets.

That doesn't narrow it down. People who made tech for military stuff like submarines, rockets or jets were almost always heavily privilidged.

>Cars? Good clothing? Apartments? Land to build a small country house?

Again, depends where and when. My great-granddad didn't have the opportunity to buy anything in Russia around the 50s or something (iirc), my granddad in Bulgaria after they moved had access to most of those things. I mean he had to wait years for the car and the clothing wasn't adidas, but still.

>Don't underplay how sadistic and shameless they were in their dealings with undesirables.

Where and when? Which commies?

Yes, I'm aware of it. I've heard the stories. My friend's grandma got raped and killed by commies. His granddad went and stole a tank from his barracks and shot their office. He then disappeared and I don't wanna know what happened to him.

>All other aspects? Totally worse.

And what about sports? Culture? Science? All those things were held as pillars of society and venerated and it was pretty right to do so.

Not to mention the class system that the class system was replaced with. I'd much rather have teachers, doctors and the common worker as role models than Jamal Rapperman and Faggot Footballer.

thelocal.se/20160125/swedish-refugee-centre-worker-dead-in-stabbing

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Stockholm_bombings

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Gothenburg_terrorism_plot

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

What is it with your snackbars and hand grenades, anyway?

>Again, all things that you get under capitalism when you make a groundbreaking invention.

So basically it's not very different?

My "Sweden Yes" folder is big enough to carry this into tomorrow, you wanna go Sven?

>the valuable lessons communism taught

Don't trust the state? People are corrupt cunts and expecting them to work for free is retarded? If you starve half the country you can put a dog in space?

Sure, except for the "routine mass kidnappings, mass tortures and mass murders by the state for the slightest hint or accusation of disobedience" part.

Also:

>the importance of culture, tradition, sport
>the importance of education
>a strong military
>the way to properly deal with criminals (shoot the very worst, force the others to build roads)
>why isolationism is wrong
>the importance of competition
>the importance of regulating competition

And many, many more.

But sure, go listen to Schlomo Dickenberg tell you how IT WAS BAD and THIS IS GOOD and THAT IS BAD and THE WORLD IS BLACK AND WHITE GOY.

>for the slightest hint or accusation of disobedience" part.

That's not how it worked.

I'm glad you agree that it was pretty much the same though. We're getting somewhere.

Oh, also, quick reminder:

>mass kidnappings, mass tortures and mass murders

Stalin =/= communism

>inb4 NOT REAL COMMUNISM

Stalin is one dictator among hundreds.

These damn faggots do not get the fact that national socialism is superior in all aspects to both democracy and to communism.

>communism fucked up everything
>we need to avoid these mistakes

Oh boy we sure learned a lot by not doing all that shit, Kys communist

>>the importance of culture, tradition
From the people who tried to crush religion and the nuclear family?
o i am laffin.

>>the importance of education
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Their education was seeped in pure ideological nonsense. It was a brainwashing tool.

>>the way to properly deal with criminals (shoot the very worst, force the others to build roads)
You're ignoring the fact that "criminal" had a very loose and fluid meaning in the USSR. Any innocent person could be accused of anything and get kidnapped by the police in the middle of the night for nothing, but at the same time, the police were so shit at dealing with actual crime that they also let insane serial killers like Andrei Chikatilo run rampant.

>>why isolationism is wrong
Globalism is worse.

The only time in history something close to real socialism was tried was in Libya and the guy who did it was killed by the capitalists.

kys

This literally never happens, when do you graduate high school?

>I'm glad you agree that it was pretty much the same though. We're getting somewhere.

Well, I'm being kind. I'm letting you call our current system "capitalism", but it's not really capitalism at all these days. So yes, I think that there isn't much difference between what we have now and communism.

>Stalin =/= communism
And yet, every single communist leader engaged in the same tactics to some degree or another. Every single communist state abused its power and turned into an authoritarian hellhole.

Release the jpegs. All of them.

Intellectual property is illegitimate.
Won't last another decade

>trying to stick out in a communist society

asking for it t b h

>communism fucked up everything

Not everything, that's the point. You should try thinking.

>Kys communist

As I've clearly pointed out, I dislike communism, I simply try to look at it objectively, unlike everyone else. Critical thought is pretty important, you know. It's the only think keeping Schlomo and his ilk at bay.

>From the people who tried to crush religion and the nuclear family?
o i am laffin.

If you are laffin at communism keeping culture and tradition alive, then you clearly know nothing about the subject.

>Their education was seeped in pure ideological nonsense. It was a brainwashing tool.

I have a bunch of communist textbooks and a bunch of modern ones at my home. The brainwashing is literally the same, it's just in a different direction.

That said, teachers were far more motivated and better during communism, school was treated much more seriously, kids studied more and jumped school less, discipline was better and there was far, far less degeneracy.

And I've been to Britain, I know your schoolkids. I know what they do.

>You're ignoring the fact that "criminal" had a very loose and fluid meaning in the USSR

No, I'm not, I've clearly pointed it out in a post before and recognized it as a fault.

>Any innocent person could be accused of anything and get kidnapped by the police in the middle of the night for nothing

That didn't happen as often as you people think. Where I come from there's a dude talking about MUH OPRESSED GRANDPARENTS every few weeks pushing for political office on the back of anti-communism and 99% of cases it turns out nothing fucking happened.

>the police were so shit at dealing with actual crime that they also let insane serial killers like Andrei Chikatilo run rampant.

Police was pretty much god-tier in communism. IN MOST STATES. Before the Russian comes talking about Stalin or Yeltsin or some such.

>Globalism is worse.

See, you can be all objective and recognize one of the lessons.

>And yet, every single communist leader engaged in the same tactics to some degree or another.

(citation needed)

Anyway, they did not.

>Every single communist state abused its power and turned into an authoritarian hellhole.

Even if I let you use as vague a term as hellhole, that is still objectively wrong. There were some pretty free and less repressed communist states.

>then you clearly know nothing about the subject.
I have a degree in history, and I have a great fascination in China under Mao.
In fact, I wrote my dissertation on the Cultural Revolution. Please, tell me again how communism protects culture and tradition? :^)

Everything that you say is from your personal experience. You don't seem to actually know anything about the reality of communism.

Teachers were more "motivated" because they were probably party cadres. But they certainly weren't more qualified or knowledgeable than they are today.
The actual police (not the secret police or the secret service who were great at their jobs; I'm talking about the "bobby on the beat" police) were generally pretty fucking useless, especially compared to modern police. They were community troubleshooters, not serious detectives.

People getting kidnapped for imagined crimes certainly does happen under communism. 14 million people were sent to gulags from 1929 to 1953 alone. Sure, some were actual criminals, but how many were just accused of being "counter-revolutionaries" or "subversive elements"?

>Live in crony capitalism land
>See dad working hard everyday to get us a roof and food
>Think something is amiss
>Learn about gommunism :DD
>Drink all the kool-aid and get into philosophy to "Guide the unleanrt masses and make everyone earn their fair share :DD"
>"I work part time at McJob, I fail my classes because of this :(("
>They barely show up to work and classes
>While I'm bricklaying
>Have to pay taxes for the first time
>Booty hurts more than being raped in prison
>Develop real political beliefs and leave Univ for trades
>The same retards now want me to pay for their shit

>China under Mao

Who the motherfuck is talking about China you imbecile?

Then what's the difference? Why not just Goldsteinbergschmidt and strive for something better?

>the importance of culture, tradition, sport
>the importance of education
>a strong military
>the way to properly deal with criminals (shoot the very worst, force the others to build roads)
>why isolationism is wrong
>the importance of competition
>the importance of regulating competition

If you need an authoritarian regime for that, your nation is weak and doomed.

>Belgium

Look who's fucking talking, but yeah good goy keep pissing on eachother so the eternal kike can enjoy fucking us all in the ass.