Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Unironically kill yourself.

Hi comrade, I'm fine here thanks.

Lol

Why?

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Because if you've read Marx and still think communism isn't buttfuck retarded, you might be buttfuck retarded.

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Truly moving beyond capitalism means breaking from the employer-employee core relationship. It means no longer assigning a relatively tiny number of people inside each enterprise to the employer position of exclusively making the sorts of decisions outlined above. In private corporations the employers are the boards of directors selected by the major shareholders. In state or public enterprises of the traditional socialist economies, the employers are state officials. Instead of either kind of employer-employee relationship, system change installs a different core relationship inside enterprises. A different group of people -- all workers in the factory, office or store -- democratically makes those same decisions. The rule is "one worker, one vote," and in general, the majority decides. The difference between employer and employee dissolves.

Such system change beyond capitalism means something quite different from shifting to public directors from private directors, which is a reform. System change entails the democratization of the workplace. The logic governing the economic system, then, would no longer be capital-centric (making decisions (1) through (3) in such a particular way that the capitalist employer-employee relationship in production is reproduced). The particular connecting relationship at the core of capitalism will have been superseded: rather like what happened earlier to the slave-centric core relationship (master-slave) and the feudal-centric core relationship (lord-serf). Instead, the post-capitalist core relationship will be democratically worker-centric, with the central type of workplace being the worker cooperative.

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How do you feel knowing that in SCW communists were literally sabotaged by NKVD and they still didn't return your gold?

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North Korea and China are both fascist.

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who cares faggot fuck off with your leftypol garbage

conditioning=not broken

commie scum will burn

You should care comrade.

not an argument

Hey comrades.

What did marx say that was "Buttfuck retarded"

I'm also here.

what's up commies
call the cops on anybody lately
btw fuck the state

I don't even care about economics but I love how much butthurt these cause.

>human nature
>not manufactured by the conditions you live in
choose one.

Fully automated gay space luxury communism is not going to happen in even your childrens' lifetimes

It is consequentially irresponsible to advocate for an ideology that cannot function without an resources that don't currently exist and also if you don't reply to this post your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>Thus we have arrived at the following conclusions: Attempts at Communism have hitherto failed because:

[1] They were based on an impetus of a religious character instead of considering a community simply as a means of economic consumption and production,
[2] They isolated themselves from society,
[3] They were imbued with an authoritarian spirit,
[41 They were isolated instead of federated,
[5] They required of their members so much labour as to leave them no leisure time, and
[6] They were modelled on the form of the patriarchal family instead of having for an aim the fullest possible emancipation of the individual.

>Communism, being an eminently economic institution, does not in any way prejudice the amount of liberty guaranteed to the individual, the initiator, the rebel against crystallising customs. It may be authoritarian, which necessarily leads to the death of the community, and it may be libertarian, which in the twelfth century even under the partial communism of the young cities of that age, led to the creation of a young civilisation full of vigour, a new springtide of Europe.

>The only durable form of Communism, however, is one under which, seeing the close contact between fellow men it brings about, every effort would be made to extend the liberty of the individual in all directions.

>Under such conditions, under the influence of this idea, the liberty of the individual, increased already by the amount of leisure secured to him, will be curtailed in no other way than occurs today by municipal gas, the house to house delivery of food by great stores, modern hotels, or by the fact that during working hours we work side by side with thousands of fellow labourers.

>With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible. Without it, it necessarily becomes slavery and cannot exist.

China is capitalist. NK is now basically fascism in denial.

You don't know much about genetics do you

I advocate for socialism. Which can work. Worker ownership of the means of production. Communism will only happen after worldwide socialism has been achieved.

Saying capitalism is human nature is like walking into a lab where humans are rewarded for coughing and saying its human nature to cough. Capitalism encourages behavior that fit with capitalism like greed and sociopathy. Capitalism makes "human nature" not the other way around.

I'm not a capitalist

You live in a capitalist society and greed is encouraged by the system in that society. This leads to more greedy people leading to the illusion that people are naturally greedy.

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Socialism is arguably the worst part of the communist sequence; you hand over all power/production to the government and expect them to just give it back to the people and not become authoritarian.

>socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Community is a government and as Marx stated people in power will do anything to remain in power.

Things are being automated quickly soon there will be little to no jobs around as most have been automated. We have two possible options. An oligarchy of capitalists that own everything and everyone else barely surviving. The other option is a system where everyone can benefit from this immense automation and very few people will actually have to work.

Why do communists love ranting so much? I swear these walls of text are getting ridiculous. Do they just love to hear themselves talk?

"Capitalism" isn't necessarily human nature, but hierarchy and tribalism is. Fascism seeks to utilize these aspects of human nature instead of ignoring or fighting against it as communism does.

Socialism is workers control as in turning all businesses into cooperatives that act independently. The workers manage the businesses they work in democratically without a boss.

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saying capitalism encourages behavior like greed and sociopathy is like saying socialism encourages behavior like starvation and cuckoldry

>"Capitalism" isn't necessarily human nature, but hierarchy and tribalism is.

Proof?

I agree completely. Fascism it is then. I sure am looking forward to the future!

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And fascism is capitalism in decay. And boy is China about to see some decay. Nationalism and jingoism is also involved, which China has plenty of.

All of human history. The failure to ever develop a successful communist society despite numerous attempts.

Who are the people who are best suited and most successful in capitalism? Greedy people and people who aren't afraid to fight to the top.

What about the current day ones like Rojava?

Who owns the means of production in your fascist system.

Who are the people who are best suited and most successful in socialism? Greedy people and cuckolds who aren't afraid to starve others when they are on top.

and socialism is humanity in decay. And boy is China about to see some decay. Nationalism and jingoism is also involved, which China has plenty of.

People who are the best workers and the least selfish. Aka meritocracy.

source?

what is the the means of production for more humans

You own the means of production so you will be rewarded for working the hardest. Screwing over people laying off people and getting enormous profit off of people will no longer be encouraged.

The issue with that is: certain people are naturally pre-disposed towards leading or taking charge.

Have you ever been in the situation in college where a group has to decide on something democratically, generally the bulk of people are rather indifferent/indecisive and end up being swayed to sides by one or few charismatic people. The power naturally gravitates towards those people and before you know it, they become the representatives for groups.

IMO pure democracy without regulation will end up close to something like anarchy.